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I am wondering what the new coaching staff thinks of Montrel Meander. Is he a CB, a SS, a FS, or a LB? Given his last name, he’ll probably fluctuate between all four positions
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A year ago Dorsey released Collins and Fells without having their replacements in place. Teams actually do this. Quit trying to insinuate this is something only the current guys in charge have ever done. It's remarkable, really.
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As long as the moneyballers replace these players with better players, with the goal of winning in 2020 and making the playoffs, it's hard to criticize.
But, it looks like the Browns are being cheap, asking players to renegotiate and when the players refuse, they cut them, claiming we tried to sign these guys.
Kinda looks like the Browns are back to winning that trophy for having the most cap space in the NFL...
Worth noting, the guy running the show graduated college with a degree in ECONOMICS...
...and, the guy filling the position of GM, his degree is also in ECONOMICS.
Depodesta's claim to fame is building a baseball team on THE CHEAP...the point is, we should not be surprised that "MONEY" appears to be the #1 concern of the Browns front office.
...as long as they win enough to make the playoffs in 2020, I say show me what you can do!
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Also, you can be the worst owner in the NFL and your team can be the worst team in the NFL...and the Haslams still get paid.
Like I said, if they build a team to win now, I'm not gonna complain...just win and make the 2020 playoffs and that will silence the doubters.
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Lets see what happens when we can start signing players .... they weren’t as cheap as the sashiettes want to make them out to be ... they made 4 big contract signings in 2 years .... They overpaid for Zeitler ... he was an above average guard and we made him the highest paid one in the league .... was a great deal for both sides ....  They overpaid for Collins ... that didn’t work out so well ... They overpaid for Tretter ... that worked out very well also ... Then there’s Kenny Britt .....  ... 2 of those 4 were for significant money at there positions ... and the other two were decent size ... that’s a good thing and gives me hope they’ll at least spend money and i don’t see many Britt’s or Collins in our future ....
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Well, we will find out shortly. Berry said he was going to be aggressive and he may very well be.
My earlier comments were more about certain posters working overtime to protect this FO after they constantly criticized Dorsey.
I actually like Berry as a person. He's very intelligent and classy. I hope he does a good job. I'm just worried because he was part of the group w/Depo the first time around and their personnel decisions as a whole were huge fails.
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They should have kept Dorsey
Nothing on Berrys or Depodesta resumes tells me
They have completley took a franchise as,woeful as the Browns franchise and took it to newer heights
If people are expecting Berry and Poindexter Depo
To pull off what John Lynch did in San Fran.
It's not happening
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Who has taken a franchise as woeful as the Browns and taken it to "newer heights"?
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Who has taken a franchise as woeful as the Browns and taken it to "newer heights"?
That's the first thing I thought. You're restricting your pool of people to consider to exactly 0.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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You do know the previous GM had a degree in guess what - ECONOMICS.
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Dorsey would attempt to trade Kirko or at least wait to sign his replacement before releasing him. This is true, but do we know the FO didn't try to do that? Are you willing to give 10-1 odds that other teams didn't want to take on his contract with his injury history? Also, the justification and excuses some make to defend every move the FO makes after they trashed Dorsey doesn't sit well w/me. That absolutely hasn't been me. lol.
I am not really upset about the move, but I think it could have been handled w/more intelligence
I saw the move coming a mile away, but I am upset about it. Not from a football standpoint, simply because Kirko is a good guy - put in his lumps for us, and I would have loved to have seen him be able to find a way to stay on this team. But that was a longshot no matter what. I am more concerned with what is going on with Jo Sho regarding the FO than am of this though. So while I am agreeing with you in principle that I am seeing signs of what you are thinking on the Jo Sho issue - all I am saying is I am taking each issue in its own light.
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This FO has a history of letting guys go BEFORE they have replaced them. I don't think that is "smart." And before anyone says that Dorsey would have been unable to trade Kirko, please remember he traded stiffs like Kessler, Hogan, Kizer, and Coleman. Sashi Brown got picks for Barkevious Mingo, Andy Lee, and Justin Gilbert.
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And the outrage that followed.
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J/c
Unfortunately, due to potential litigation, I'll have to stick with "He who must not be named" or more affectionately "Lord Voldemort."
On the topic of player movement, I'm sure these guys have a plan, but I'm certainly not clear on what it is. Hopefully, it will become evident in hindsight after FA and the Draft. I'm holding out hope that they can find a tonesetter on D.
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And the outrage that followed. Not getting into the other stuff. The furor over the Lee trade was unreal. Pretty sure the punter we had the next season outperformed Lee or was within a net yard or two.
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And the outrage that followed. Not getting into the other stuff. The furor over the Lee trade was unreal. Pretty sure the punter we had the next season outperformed Lee or was within a net yard or two. We quickly signed Britton Colquitt after Andy Lee was traded. Lee played in nine games for the Panthers and then was released before the start of the next season.
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And how much angst and vitriol did we witness over that trade? smh
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LOL.........y'all never stop.
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I think this is a move Berry AND Dorsey make. Probably so. I think the difference is that Dorsey would attempt to trade Kirko or at least wait to sign his replacement before releasing him. This FO has a history of letting guys go BEFORE they have replaced them. I don't think that is "smart." And before anyone says that Dorsey would have been unable to trade Kirko, please remember he traded stiffs like Kessler, Hogan, Kizer, and Coleman. I am not really upset about the move, but I think it could have been handled w/more intelligence. I know there are several of you talking about availability, but are y'all willing to give me 10 to 1 odds that Kirko won't be available to play next season? Also, the justification and excuses some make to defend every move the FO makes after they trashed Dorsey doesn't sit well w/me. As soon as I saw the phrase "off the ball" LBer, I knew what he intent was. It's a bit galling that some people think all others are incapable of reading and they prey on those who can't read very well. We tried to redo the contract. We did make that effort. It's not like we didn't show some interest. We just decided the risk of him losing time was greater than the returns. We aren't the only team releasing veteran players who have some age or have had the injury bug. With respected players, you cut them before FA starts. You allow them the full period to sign elsewhere. I see it this way, if you show them that respect, you aren't burning bridges. You can always tell them that if they don't get what they hoped, call us back. We still would like you on the team. We might have your best offer. If you wait until after FA starts to decide you don't want them, they will be ticked you dorked them around...you aren't going to get them to come back here or give you a final chance to sign them. I think that is the deal with Shobert. I think we would like to keep him, but not for 11 mil a year. 8-9, sure.
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A much better argument than reviving the Andy Lee thread that has been revived multiple times. LOL
Of course, they don't revive other threads that paint a different picture. I won't revive them either because it as low-brow tactic.
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We need some continuation... I'd pay the dude $11 per without blinking. Healthy? Check. Leader? Check. Off field issues? No. Above average player? Check. And personally I love intelligent players of which he is.
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A much better argument than reviving the Andy Lee thread that has been revived multiple times. LOL
Of course, they don't revive other threads that paint a different picture. I won't revive them either because it as low-brow tactic. I guess I am lost. Not sure what Andy lee has to do with things?
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Not sure who or why Lee came up but he did. And man job it sticks in the mind so of course it'll get discussed. Just like Kenny Brit and Schwartz and other bad examples do.
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I am totally happy with the Hammer. I would have been upset had we not kept him.
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Memphis and cfrs brought up Andy Lee to make fun of other posters, including myself.
A diversionary tactic to take away the attention of the front office cutting Kirko before they have a replacement.
Standard operating procedure in the PFF.
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I don't know all about that. I don't mind cutting Kirko.
To me, if you respect a player, you cut him before the opening of free agency. Give him a chance he finds his market. Maybe he finds out you are the best contract fit? Maybe you find out you are only 500K off and can do that?
You don't hang on to them until late May before cutting them when the real money is gone.
JMO and the way I treat people and would want to be treated.
That's not saying anything bad towards you. Maybe I am offering a perspective you hadn't considered?
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I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. That's fine.
FYI: I have no problem w/your position. I just don't like when certain folks continually try and belittle others w/BS by bringing up an Andy Lee thread. They sure as hell don't bring up other thread that paint them in a negative light. I could reciprocate, but I won't lower myself to that level.
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I was under the impression the Wilson and Takitaki were drafted for the purpose of replacing Schobert and Kirko this year.
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I was under the impression the Wilson and Takitaki were drafted for the purpose of replacing Schobert and Kirko this year. What made you think that? I am not being snarky. Just wondering why you would think that. I think Wilson might have been drafted to replace Kirko down the line and to provide depth in case Kirko got hurt. I think Taki was drafted as a special teams guy and a run stuffer on certain downs. I could be wrong. Just an opinion.
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Why was my post deleted?
Folks are making fun w/out knowing the facts. Seriously?
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I was under the impression the Wilson and Takitaki were drafted for the purpose of replacing Schobert and Kirko this year. What made you think that? I am not being snarky. Just wondering why you would think that. I think Wilson might have been drafted to replace Kirko down the line and to provide depth in case Kirko got hurt. I think Taki was drafted as a special teams guy and a run stuffer on certain downs. I could be wrong. Just an opinion. Wilson was drafted to replace Show... Taki to replace Kirko. I know its your opinion, but you don't use a 3rd round pick on a special teams guy.
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Taki Taki looked so overmatched last year.
If the Browns are leaning on him to start
Then this defense is in big trouble
He was like Scooby Wright 2.0 last year
All hype and zero plays made
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Taki taki seemed slight to me, at least from my couch haha ... he didn’t do much that made me think he’d be our answer at LB
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Taki taki seemed slight to me, at least from my couch haha ... he didn’t do much that made me think he’d be our answer at LB I'm not sure if Takitaki's season, or lack thereof, was more about him or Wilks. He played less than 10% of the defensive snaps. Link It kind of feels like a Genard Avery situation, and they are somewhat similar players. Did he not play because he wasn't good or because Wilks didn't have a plan for him? I didn't see enough of him to get a good grasp on how he was playing. One problem with both of the past couple FOs is that there seemed to be a disconnect between GM and coaches about the plans for how to use and develop drafted players (and those acquired by other means.)
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So weird to me that a guy gets 105 defensive snaps (10% of all defensive plays last year), and we already know he's a special teams guy and not an answer at LB.
My goodness. No one thought Schobert or Kirksey were the answer after their rookie year either.
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So weird to me that a guy gets 105 defensive snaps (10% of all defensive plays last year), and we already know he's a special teams guy and not an answer at LB. And vice versa. Nothing was shown by Takitaki to indicate he was starting LB'er material. To suggest otherwise is a huge leap of faith.
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I never saw enough from Takitaki to show he even will make it out of camp this coming August. He is, at most, a special teamer right now.
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I could be wrong but weren't there folks on these boards calling schobert a bust after his first season and claiming we wasted a pick on him.
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