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I think the hypocrisy around this country is amazing.

I keep hearing and seeing on FB and other outlets 1 or the other:

"trump is a liar and nothing he says is true"

Or

"theres a deep state actively trying to run and ruin the country"

Yet, the same people that say one of above two things, are the same ones that keep trying to downplay CV and say its not a concern. Lol.

If you say the first thing, then you should be weary that trump is downplaying this thing.

If you say the "Deep state", then you should be weary that the government is not sending test kits, or actively trying to hid the amount of cases of those infected.

I agree and I also think we are beginning the process of bottoming but this isn't bottom.

I think the truth is a combination of the things you list.

Both are separate issues but mostly true.

1) Trump is a proven liar.

2) The powerful want to downplay the cv to protect their wealth and hold on power.

I think my point is, that regardless of what you think about Trump or the Deep state, you should be concerned about this CV.

The fact is, either way - the government or some form of it has been lying and keeping facts hidden - and actively trying to stall the real the numbers from getting out on exactly how many are infected.

I read somewhere in California they are monitoring over 8,000 people they think may have it, but just cant test them because they don't have any kits.

This is a shame.

The Government, the CDC, and other officials are all saying pretty much the same things.

We don't know how bad it is or how bad it will get.

They are working at top speed to find treatments and a vaccine.

In the meantime, treat everyone like they have the virus, maintain the 3 feet rule of personal spacing and wash your hands often.

Panic doesn't help anyone.

No they are most definitely not.

Correct, and that is because the government is actively trying to keep those number suppressed to try to hold the market up. There is a reason we don't have test kits, when China has a test that can detect it on the spot in 15 minutes.

The CDC you just said we should listen too just told that anyone over 60 should stay home and stock up on supplies and meds. its not panic, its logic.

Ok, You go ahead and panic while the rest of us watch to see how that goes for you.

refute anything I just said.

Trump said to go to work, CDC just told them to stay home. You said they are all saying the same thing. So are you lying, or just misinformed?

Well, regardless of anyone’s ideology, this is the issue with electing a guy with zero experience in dealing with these sorts of situations.

When it matters the most, we get horrible leadership. Say what you want about bush and Obama, but when it came to health crisis or natural disasters, one thing we never had to worry about was a suppression of information to make their administrations look good. I’ll take bush’s handling of the Katrina over what we’re seeing now, because atleast Bush actually gave a damn.

And while people constantly whine about the establishment (for good reason), Dems and republicans always had high character people that gave a damn during situations like this.

We have a reality tv president giving us reality tv leadership. Everything is less about the concern of our people and more about image, perception, and the freaking stock market.

And I know you aren’t in MAGA hatter territory, willit. But even you can’t tell me that a Ted Cruz, Kasich, or even Jed Bush wouldnt be better for us in a crisis like this over trump.

People didn’t panic over SARS and Ebola and the bird flu because they Atleast trusted the government to do the right thing when it mattered most.

People are panicking now because we can’t with this administration. We got a president who just went golfing over the weekend, lies about testing kits, and doesn’t want cruise ships with Americans docking simply because he doesn’t want the numbers to make him look bad.

Our local city council could do a better job than the president. And that’s beyond scary bro, no matter what ideology we might represent.

So is Barry a proven liar, bigtime,

Im going debate that. I think every president suppresses information to not cause panic. That's not a L or R issue for me, its a political issue all around. Bernie, Liz, Trump, Obama, they are all going to suppress information.

Again, I think D and R both give a damn about their political careers and their own pocket books. That's all.

I wont argue that overall they would - they have experience. Experience is always a key attribute. But I also don't believe that they wouldn't be trying to do some of the same things they government is doing now, trying to suppress information.

Yes they did. Not as bad as right now no, but some definitely did. And if remember, none of those virus spread like this thing is either.

People are panicking now because they should be about the severity of the virus and for their loved ones who are at a HIGH RISK.

According to the CDC, BOTH of my parents should stock up and remain in doors. For me, that's cause for panic. It has nothing to do with the administration, because frankly - I wouldn't believe ANY administration right now over this. I just don't trust ANY admin when the economy comes into play.

Cruise ships shouldn't be docking - they should be taking everyone on them into quarantine if suspected. That's just common sense. I don't care of the reasoning behind it, that's the smart thing to do.

Lies about testing - I already explained that. They don't want the numbers coming out because they are going to be scary. I fully expected Trump to lie about that, and the government to lie about that. One in the same I guess, but what I mean again is that they are all going to lie about it and try to suppress the numbers.

I don't want this to come as a "whatabout" but just giving as an example. Why do you think information about the IRS scandal was suppressed? Didn't want Obama to look bad. Is that the same level as this, absolutely not! Don't take it that way. But I am telling you, it don't matter - the government ANY government, is not about caring for the best interest of the people. Trump or Bush or Obama or Bernie. NONE of them.

Seems like Pelosi ,Schumer ,Biden ,The MSM ,Ocasio, BERNIE etal, has got him convinced that TRUMP is the cause of the C.VIRUS and all the bad things in the U.S.A. and the whole wide world SAD

Seems like that's the most ridiculous post I have ever read in my time on this board. Literally not a single person is saying trump is the cause of it. You just THINK they are saying that because you cant read.

I’m talking suppression from a health crisis aspect.

All these clowns suppress information on things like IRS and other situations.

But right now we need transparency and real leadership with regards To THIS situation, and from what I’ve seen, I trust Laura ingraham to provide better leadership than trump.

I don't disagree. I posed a "what if" because we don't know what anyone else would do, I have my suspicions they all would suppress the information like Trump and the current govt are doing - but I cant quantify that, its just a hunch.

I am terribly disappointed as to how this is being handled. "believe me"

I do believe that every former president I can think of from both parties would have made sure that test kits would have been made readily available before now to isnure that the spread would have been monitored better.

Yet at the same time I do agree that every president would try to downplay it to at least some extent to avoid panic. But not to the extent we are seeing now. And I highly doubt any other president in my lifetime would be contradicting the scientific community on the scale we are witnessing.

At the University of Nebraska, the first patients have volunteered to test an experimental drug to treat COVID-19. And at Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute, researchers have begun recruiting people to test a possible vaccine.

https://time.com/5799718/coronavirus-vaccine-antiviral-studies/

Holy crap that was fast!!! Praying that it works.

j/c

Matt Gaetz, Who Mocked Coronavirus by Wearing Gas Mask on House Floor, Is Now in Quarantine

The Trump-loving congressman had been joking about COVID-19 since CPAC, where he was exposed to an attendee who tested positive

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) announced on Monday that he is quarantining himself after being informed that he came into contact with an attendee of the Conservative Political Action Conference who tested positive for COVID-19. Gaetz, a Trump loyalist known for orchestrating outlandish stunts to get media attention, mocked coronavirus last week by wearing a gas mask onto the House floor to vote for an emergency spending bill to combat the virus.

In a Twitter thread, Gaetz’s office claimed the congressman donned the gas mask as a sincere precautionary measure rather than as a stunt to get headlines, writing that he was simply “demonstrating his concern.” His office added that “while the Congressman is not experiencing symptoms, he received testing today and expects results soon,” and that “he’ll remain self-quarantined until the 14-day period expires this week.”

This is the second time in two days Gaetz has had to pretend that wearing the mask was not a stunt. On Sunday, he argued from his personal Twitter account he was “quite serious” when he wore the prop around the Capitol. He was responding to a Washington Post story about one of his constituents dying of COVID-19.

The idea that Gaetz brought out a mask out of a genuine concern about COVID-19 spreading through Congress is hard to believe, not only because of his penchant for publicity stunts and the ludicrousness of wearing a freaking gas mask on the House floor, but also because of an interview with Vanity Fair conducted at CPAC in which Gaetz joked about coronavirus. He even lamented how it was taking his name out of the news and that his office might need to find a way to get him infected:

“We have been bumped off of television the last two nights because of the coronavirus, and I am just low-key convinced that Jillian would give me coronavirus to get me back on television,” he said, in reference to his chief of staff, Jillian Lane Wyant. When Wyant rattled back a handful of statistics about the low prevalence of infections among infants and children, Gaetz joked, “Do you think someone weaponized the disease to take out the boomers?”

Also working against Gaetz’s argument is that the Centers for Disease Control has urged Americans who are not experiencing symptoms to refrain from wearing masks for fear of causing undue panic. God forbid he consult with an expert.

Gaetz joins Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Reps. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) and Doug Collins (R-Ga.) in quarantining himself after learning that late last month he was exposed to a CPAC attendee who later tested positive for COVID-19. It’s unclear which other conservative lawmakers came into contact with the unnamed conference attendee. So too is whether President Trump — who in a speech at CPAC suggested the coronavirus scare was a “hoax” perpetrated by Democrats — may have come into contact with anyone infected.

Regardless of whether Trump was exposed to the attendee in question, the president could be at risk. Last week, he greeted and shook Collins’ hand during a trip to Georgia, and on Monday he flew with Gaetz on Air Force One. Trump was also photographed at CPAC shaking hands with American Conservative Union Chairman Matt Schapp, who has since announced he had contact with the attendee who tested positive. The White House is reportedly concerned that the president could contract the virus, given his exposure and old age.

Though Trump has publicly played off the threat, telling reporters on Saturday that he’s “not concerned at all” about contracting the virus, this may not be the case behind closed doors. Earlier on Monday, Vanity Fair reported that the president is in a “total meltdown” over coronavirus, and has even expressed concern that journalists in his press pool may purposely contract COVID-19 in order to infect Trump while on Air Force One.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...rantine-964697/

5 members of Congress have self-quarantined after coming into contact with a coronavirus patient at CPAC

At least five Republican lawmakers and officials have decided to enter a precautionary self-quarantine after coming into contact with a coronavirus patient at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Maryland last month.

They are Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Doug Collins, Rep. Matt Gaetz, Rep. Paul Gosar, and incoming White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

Rep. Louie Gohmert was also told he was in contact with the individual who tested positive, but Gohmert refused to quarantine himself.

All of the lawmakers except Gohmert say they have no symptoms but are quarantining out of an abundance of caution.

But at least two of them— Congressmen Matt Gaetz of Florida, and Doug Collins of Georgia — have had direct contact with President Donald Trump since their exposure, raising concerns about the president's safety.

Meadows, meanwhile, will be out until Wednesday, his spokesperson said in a statement.

CPAC alerted attendees on Saturday that one of its employees had tested positive for coronavirus after the event. The annual gathering of conservatives attracted thousands of people, including some members of Congress, "several" of whom came into contact with the patient, the Associated Press reported.

On Monday, Collins announced he would self-quarantine "out of an abundance of caution" after CPAC notified him he was at the conference with the patient who tested positive for the coronavirus.

His announcement came after he joined President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for a tour and coronavirus press conference last week at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia. Photos show Collins and Trump shaking hands after Air Force One landed at Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Georgia.

Collins spoke at CPAC on Thursday, February 27 on a panel called "The Coup: Rosenstein & Comey- The Empire Strikes Back."

Collins said, "I feel completely healthy and I am not experiencing any symptoms."

Another House Republican, Matt Gaetz of Florida, announced that he had been tested for the coronavirus after learning that he also came into contact with the infected individual at CPAC.

He learned that he may have been exposed to the virus while traveling from Florida with President Trump on Air Force One on Monday, the New York Times reported. Gaetz then sat alone in a separate section of the plane was escorted to a waiting car upon landing at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland.

Gaetz received a test and was awaiting results while he self-quarantined. He has also closed his Washington, D.C. office.

Previously, Republican Senator Ted Cruz announced he would self-quarantine at home in Texas, as did Republican Congressman Paul Gosar, who stayed at home in Arizona to wait out the 14-day incubation period for COVID-19.

Asked Monday if the Capitol should close temporarily due to the threat of coronavirus, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, "At this time there is no reason to do so."

Gosar announced on Sunday that he had self-quarantined at his home in Arizona until the two-week incubation period for the coronavirus ended. Three other staffers who had come into contact with the infected CPAC attendee had also self quarantined, but none were exhibiting symptoms, communications director Ben Goldy told Insider. Meanwhile, the D.C. office had closed until next week.

Goldy, along with his other colleagues, worked from home on Monday and communicated primarily through text, emails, and conference calls. While constituent meetings in Washington had been suspended, the office's other functions continued.

"We're surprisingly more prepared than you would expect...we're managing pretty well," Goldy told Insider, noting that Gosar was introducing a bill today, and could do so electronically. "Years ago you wouldn't have been able to do this."

While in quarantine, Gosar had "stocked up on breakfast food and Lysol wipes and things" and was in a "great mood", according Goldy.

But the congressman apparently also had "life and mortality" on his mind, tweeting (possibly in jest) on Monday that he would "rather die gloriously in battle than from a virus." An image from the 2018 South Korean historical action film "The Great Battle" accompanied the tweet.

"In a way it doesn't matter," Gosar wrote. "But it kinda does."

Goldy assured Insider that Gosar "is taking the entire process very seriously."

https://www.businessinsider.com/4-member...us-alert-2020-3

At times such as these, it's a real benefit to have experts trained and experienced in handling epidemiological crises. If only we had such a team ready to go at the first signs of contagion spread- oh, wait... we had such a team since 2014- appointed during the Ebola crisis. Until John Bolton dismantled it in 2018, when he took over as Nat'l Sec. Adviser.



So I agree, experience is a wonderful and helpful thing. This admin actually had said experience... until they deemed it unnecessary, and sent them packing. Now, we're forced to watch them speed-hire temps again- a pattern that has been repeated ad nauseum since 2017.

The signs have been in front of our eyes since the week after Inauguration Day. It's a dangerous combination of ignorance, hubris and amateur hour that will continue for as long as this bunch is in DC. Cruz, Bush, even Rubio would have been better-prepared, as I doubt any of them would have been petty enough to 'break up the band,' simply because it was formed under previous leadership.


smdh

The first clinical trial of the antiviral medicine remdesivir in Covid-19 patients is due to report its findings next month according to Gilead Sciences, which said it had accelerated manufacturing of the drug to increase its supplies “as rapidly as possible”.

While awaiting these results, doctors in the US, China and Italy are already using remdesivir on a compassionate basis to treat small numbers of patients with severe Covid-19. The first US patient, a 35-year-old man in Snohomish County, Washington, recovered, but the full trials are needed to assess whether the drug reduces the severity of symptoms and, crucially, mortality rates.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...nst-coronavirus

Cool. How long does that process take? We have already been told by the CDC and WHO that we could expect a viable vaccine in 18 months if lucky.

That would be my biggest question. What if anything would this do to impact the scenario we've been given that 18 months is the minimum time we can expect a vaccine?

A vaccine will probably take 18 months but some of the treatments are beginning now...

The first clinical trial of the antiviral medicine remdesivir in Covid-19 patients is due to report its findings next month according to Gilead Sciences, which said it had accelerated manufacturing of the drug to increase its supplies “as rapidly as possible”.

While awaiting these results, doctors in the US, China and Italy are already using remdesivir on a compassionate basis to treat small numbers of patients with severe Covid-19. The first US patient, a 35-year-old man in Snohomish County, Washington, recovered, but the full trials are needed to assess whether the drug reduces the severity of symptoms and, crucially, mortality rates.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...nst-coronavirus

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From what I can tell, nothing. Sounds like more fluff to ease peoples reactions. Maybe I am missing something.

I am very disappointed how this is being handled. I have parents that are both over 60 with health issues, who both say "Trump said I can go to work, I am not worried about it".

I'm not sure if it's fluff or not. But from a quick Google search I found out that it's not a new drug.

Remdesivir is a novel antiviral drug in the class of nucleotide analogs. It was developed by Gilead Sciences as a treatment for Ebola virus disease and Marburg virus infections.

This is a much better read with more details on the drug.....

A closer look at the Ebola drug that's become the top hope for a coronavirus treatment

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/coronavirus-remdesivir-gilead-antiviral-drug-covid-19/573261/

and here's a link to NIH.gov talking about it:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-remdesivir-treat-covid-19-begins



It's interesting to see the Ebola antiviral being repirposed in this manner. It will be amazing if this works.
To answer the question about the timeline for a vaccine: this will have no impact on it at all, and this does nothing to stop you or anyone else from getting infected. This is just an avenue to offer a treatment once you are infected, to hopefully combat mortality and hospitalization rates.

These suppositions are kinda ridiculous. Hindsight is 20/20 its easy to blame Trump for this and that. The FACT is no one has any idea how Bush, Obama, or any other President would have handled this. All you can do is guess or assume.

We have no idea whats being talked about behind closed doors. what the CDC tells the public and what they tell the government officials like the President in private are two very different things. They don't want things to end up as a panic, they are trying to calm the situation.

Obama and Bush were FAR from perfect...look no farther than Operation Fast and Furious (Obama) or the Handling Katrina(Bush) to see major screw ups of epic proportions far worse then anything Trump has had under his administration.

How ever many confirmed corona virus cases they have officially stated? How about you increase that eight to ten fold. Do you really think a State like Ohio for example is going to declare a state of emergency over 3 cases? Are you out of your mind...its far, far, far, far, far more than 3 cases. Again..they are not going to tell you that for obvious reasons.

Considering everything that has happened,. Trump has actually done a decent job handling this all things considered. Sure, he made a few mistakes, but overall he has done an above average job. The stock market is starting to climb again today, albeit slowly, but thats better than a flatout nosedive like Black Monday yesterday.

Its easy to blame others when your sitting on the sideline. Its easy to make suppositions when your using hindsight.

At the end of the day, there is only so much the President can do. Congress really just needs to vote and allocate a ton of emergency money to fix this mess but they won't do that because all they care about is this coronavirus gives them a small chance to win an election and they care more about that than any of and that goes for both parties and that should concern you.

Can we please keep the politics out of this thread and put it in the PP forum.

Actually there is a Coronavirus thread in EE where no politics is involved if you're interested.

There are two threads for the Virus, one in EE where politics are not being discussed (kudos to purp for keeping it that way with a iron fist) and then this one.

I believe you are merely peeking into the wrong thread.

LOL I thought I was in EE. Doh!

Yeah yeah, and when my mom walked in my brother watching a porn, he said he thought he was watching a catholic mass. . . .

Pfft ...trash comment. Expected in the trump era though.

Only if you attend catholic mass

Swish, doesn't seem like much got accomplished today;
and supposedly congress is going to go on a 2 week spring break in a couple days.

We don't have a clue on how bad this will hit airlines, banks, oil (especially shale producers), etc

but household commodities at least for now are doing good cause hand sanitizer and toilet paper sales are thru the roof.

It didn’t because we are getting some head scratching statements from our elected officials, both dem and republican.

Markets right now reacting off of hopes and dreams, and government is just saying anything they think will stop the bleeding.

I’m thinking we’re gonna have problems we’ll into the summer, and probably beyond.