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In honor of purp making sure the thread in EE stays non political, I start us off with this:

At least 44 dead from drinking toxic alcohol in Iran after coronavirus cure rumor

https://www.yahoo.com/news/least-44-dead-drinking-toxic-155009184.html

Iranian media reports that at least 44 people have died from alcohol poisoning and hundreds have been hospitalized after consuming bootleg alcohol in an effort to treat the coronavirus.

The Middle Eastern country, which has been especially hit hard by the coronavirus – with 8,042 confirmed cases and at least 291 deaths as of Tuesday – has struggled to prevent the spread of the virus.

The majority of deaths attributed to the coronavirus in the Middle East are in Iran.

A false rumor has circulated throughout the country that drinking alcohol can cure or prevent the coronavirus. Drinking alcohol is prohibited in the country.

Some citizens, according to Iran Health Ministry official Ali Ehsanpour, drank alcohol that substituted toxic methanol for ethanol, using bleach to mask the color. Seven bootleggers have been arrested.

In one part of the country, Khuzestan, more people have died from alcohol poisoning than from the coronavirus in that area, according to the state news agency IRNA. More than 30 people have died from poisoning, and 18 have died from the virus.

The rumor also has circulated throughout Indian social media, reports NDTV and the Times of India, which the World Health Organization has debunked. One iteration of the rumor suggests that spraying alcohol or chlorine can prevent the coronavirus from entering the body.

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For the love of god, people, bootleg your alcohol responsibly.

Google has asked all of its North America employees to work from home to prevent coronavirus spread

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/tech/google-work-from-home-coronavirus/index.html

Any word on when we’re getting more testing kits?

You can only hope they skin alive the people taking advantage of the fears of the innocent.

The World Killer?

That ain't a loaded headline now is it.

Well it’s already killed thousands around the world so.....

Can someone explain to me why this isn't just another form of the flu?

I've read a ton on this because I'm generally concerned and have young children. I also have parents in their late 60s. I think it should be monitored and you should do the same preventive actions you would during flu season, but outside of that I don't see much difference between this and the normal flu or even a new strain of the flu that crops up every few years or so.

What am I missing?

I can get real shine. Family made. True copper pot.

Been doing it for 80 or so years.

They distill white lightening....a real good hand sanitizer, if you will.

You just cut it with a little more spring to make shine. Cut it some more to make mountain dew.

Meanwhile in "enlightened" America there are reports that some Americans are drinking bleach to sanitize themselves and others are washing their hands in vodka because the stores are out of disinfectant. Maybe we can eat a few Tide pods while we are at it.

You can't make this stuff up.

That this seems to effect older people more harshly than the normal flu.

Swear you need to send the bat signal so I can come through and try the shine.

People will try anything, unfortunately.

Gotta do our best to post real information instead of anti-Vaxxer nonsense we see far too often on FB.

That seems to be the only true distinction that I can tell, and I don't think we even know if that's true. The normal flu has killed 20,000 or so people this year in America alone I believe. I would imagine most are elderly.

I understand the comparisons to the flu as far as numbers and hindsight, but the issue is that we don’t know how many people have it in this country, how many have died to the virus that we aren’t aware of yet, and if the warm weather will truly make a difference.

It’s like comparing a new electric car to gas cars when they first dropped. We have a ton of information on one, and know very little of the other.

Good post.

That warm weather question is intriguing.

I also want to say this and I hope I don't upset anyone. I have seen multiple references about old people, as if that isn't any big deal. Well, I am 63 and my wife is 68. I don't feel "old." Both of us are not ready to die.

I'm not real fond of the cavalier attitude that it's just "old people," as in.........so what?

Not talking about you, Swish. I've just read that sentiment too many times.

I guarantee you that there 10s of thousands, maybe more that have it and don't know it. That's the only way to explain the spread. But that would just further drive my point home. If that's the case and there are tons of carriers or people that show little to no symptoms, how concerned should we be?

The type of virus and the types of issues it causes are all very similar to something we know alot about. There have been tons of infections and recoveries just like with the flu.

Again, I'm trying to determine for myself how worried should we be. When I read up on it and the flu and compare them side by side I'm thinking we need to be more worried about the flu.

I do understand the unknown aspect of things. It will be interesting to see what happens as we get further into the spring.

My parents are 68 and 67.

I've asked them not to leave the house for awhile.

I'm very concerned about them.

Regular flu fatality rate is .1 percent. COVID-19 fatality is about 3 percent. So COVID-19 is 30x more deadly for people who get it. Scary stuf

You can bank it that those numbers are completely incomplete.

I hope you are right.
More stats:

link

My mom is 73, has COPD and diabetes. She’s a retired nurse and knows and practices good universal precautions. That said she’s hyper vigilant right now. As she should be. This is the type of thing that could end badly for her... us.

nah i agree with you.

one thing ive never liked about this country is how dismissive we tend to be about our older generation/senior citizens, with regards to economic policy and health issues.

and once again, like clockwork, here we are.

j/c:

The first reported case of the virus in my county was confirmed today.

I don't know how much you guys know about western SC, but allergy season is just beginning. I bet a lot of you have watched the Masters. We are about an hour away from Augusta. The tall pines, the azaleas, the dog woods, etc. It's a gorgeous place and a lot like living in paradise in relation to the natural beauty of the place.

With that beauty, comes intense allergy season. I never had an allergy in my life and during my first spring in Columbia, I was really sick. Thought I had the flu. But, it was just allergies due to all the pollen.

My point is this: I think it's a concern that this is the time of the year in this part of the country where so many suffer from allergies and they might think they that is why they are experiencing those symptoms and ignore getting tested for the virus. This could lead to them getting sicker and spreading the virus to so many other people.

It's kind of scary to think about.

Thanks for saying that.

It's actually a trans species strain of the common cold. What makes it worse is the rate of transfer, the rapid seriousness of symptoms, as well as the much higher death rate.

It's transferred by droplet, meaning fine droplets of moisture from cough, sneeze, perspiration, and physical contact with recently contaminated skin, clothing, or shared items like a drinking glass. All pretty much the same as giving somebody a cold or flu.

For compromised at risk people the symptoms are usually rapid high fever and severe lower respiratory infection within hours of contraction. Most others feel severe to normal cold/flu like symptoms or nothing at all.

Compared to the death rate of the flu at 0.1%, the coronavirus appears to have a death rate over 2% or 20+ times more likely to kill.

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

well the majority of our population isnt at risk of dying from the virus, i agree.

but i think most people rather not view it from just a # perspective. im not sure you would keep your cool if you're talking about the virus and your parents and somebody went "yea but their old anyway so they were bound to get it, oh well".

also, we arent exactly a healthy country. our obesity rates are appalling, and those sorts of issues tend to result in people having cardiovascular issues and diabetes, one of the exact demographic that the virus affects the most.

if we were more of a healthy country, i wouldnt be as worried.

we are not. not even close.

I would guess 100% that is happening Vers.

I already said multiple times on this thread I'm concerned about my parents. Again, I've asked them not to leave the house. And I'm not trying to be dismissive about this. What I am trying to gain is a perspective on how worried we should be, in general. The flu numbers dwarf, and I mean dwarf, this virus. If you believe that there are tons of undetected cases, and I am one that does, then that further supports the point that the mortality rate isn't as bad as is being reported. You can hide an infection when you stay in the house and never go to the doctor and recover. Harder to do that with a death.

The unknown is certainly something to keep an eye on. But you have a select group of posters on here getting everyone worked up. Those same posters don't start threads on the flu.

You are being overly sensitive. It is a FACT that at least here in the US it is mainly older people who are frail or whose health is already compromised who have taken the brunt of its death toll. Just like with influenza that kills tens of thousands every year. So, nobody is being cavalier or insensitive, that is the facts thus far. Keep your health, stay aware, wash your hands regularly and keep living your life.

I am 65, husband is 67. I am pre-diabetic and my husband is diabetic and had triple bypass surgery 18 months ago.

I work full-time and need to keep doing so. I am pretty healthy other than being pre-diabetic, so I'm not that worried about me. My husband is another story, he can't afford t get COVID-19.

Wishing you and your husband the best, mom!

I think I pretty much agree.

I would add this, though: the flu numbers are not actual real life numbers. They are numbers of confirmed cases. To be confirmed, one needs to go to a doctor.

In other words, the number of people that have been diagnosed with the flu is not representative of the people that had the flu. I would guess most people that get the flu, or at least a large percentage of them, don't go to a doctor. Consequently, the flu death rate is probably lower than what we see reported.

(between me, wife, and daughter, we've had the flu a total of 6 times over the years. None of us went to a doctor.)

Along with that, no one knows how many people have or had COVID 19. We know how many have died from it, but we don't know how many had/have it, as for a lot of people, they may do the same thing: Not go to a doctor to be checked. Normally healthy people that get a cough and a fever generally don't go to a doctor right away. If it clears up in a few days, they go back to work/normal.

wishing you and your wife well too!

I have been sick all weekend, (flu) and wasn't feeling too hot yesterday either. I am feeling better today, though.

My mom wants me to take her shopping tomorrow. I am kinda worried, but would rather get it done now, rather than wait for the plague to hit Youngstown. (hopefully)

Get it done ASAP bro. You just never know.

J/c

Really surprised to see the flood of closings and cancellations. It seems like institutions have been recommended to do so in order to stop it from getting worse

I have to get bullets and a machete for when the zombies start walking .......

The Ohio High School Athletic Association has now said all tickets sold for the boys basketball regionals, girl's basketball state games, and wrestling state, are null and void.

Each player will be able to name/list 4 family members that can purchase new tickets to the events. Media can still attend.

If you need help building a moat with sharks, lemme know!!!

Wow.

Ordered 400 rounds of 300BLK, yesterday.



This disease is real. The danger and threat is real.
The panic I'm seeing in public is real, and overblown.

People need to be cautious, but I think the realization that they REALLY need to be cautious and this one cannot be ignored has tipped them right into panic mode. The illusion of safety has been shattered.

Basically, The Unknown is scary.... and nobody knows what to expect.