DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Coronavirus Again

j/c

Trump is breaking every rule in the CDC’s 450-page playbook for health crisis

The communication chaos on coronavirus is eroding the most powerful weapon we have: Public trust

Amid an outbreak where vaccines, drug treatments and even sufficient testing don’t yet exist, communication that is delivered early, accurately and credibly is the strongest medicine in the government’s arsenal.

But the Trump administration’s zigzagging, defensive, inconsistent messages about the novel coronavirus continued Friday, breaking almost every rule in the book and eroding the most powerful weapon officials possess: Public trust.

After disastrous communications during the 2001 anthrax attacks — when white powder in envelopes sparked widespread panic — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention created a 450-page manual outlining how U.S. leaders should talk to the public during crises.

Protecting vulnerable people from a virus that, according to some projections, could infect millions and kill hundreds of thousands, depends on U.S. leaders issuing clear public health instructions and the public’s trust to follow directions that could save their lives.

“Sometimes it seems like they have literally thrown out the book,” said Joshua Sharfstein, a former top FDA official and Johns Hopkins University professor who is using the CDC manual to teach a crisis communication class. “We’re studying what to do — and at times seeing what not to do — on the same day.”

Two weeks ago, Trump said the country would soon have zero cases. This week, there were more than 2,200 and 49 deaths. When asked at a news conference Friday why he disbanded the White House’s pandemic office, Trump denied doing so, saying, “I didn’t do it … I don’t know anything about it.” When asked if he bore any responsibility for disastrous delays in testing, Trump said no, blaming instead “circumstances” and “regulations” created by others. When asked if Americans should believe Trump or his top health official, Anthony S. Fauci — whom Trump has contradicted repeatedly — Trump sidestepped the question.

“For those of us in this field, this is profoundly and deeply distressing,” said Matthew Seeger, a risk communication expert at Wayne State University who developed the CDC guidebook alongside many top doctors, public health researchers, scientists, consultants and behavioral psychologists.

“It’s creating higher levels of anxiety, higher levels of uncertainty and higher levels of social disruption. … We spent decades training people and investing in developing this competency. We know how to do this.”

For three years, the Trump administration has often taken a hostile stance to science and its practitioners, but health crisis experts say it’s not too late and the fruits of their research — like the CDC’s 450-page manual — are waiting, untapped, to serve as a road map to help leaders navigate the growing pandemic.

The fundamental principles behind good public health communication are almost stunningly simple: Be consistent. Be accurate. Don’t withhold vital information, the CDC manual says. And above all, don’t let anyone onto the podium without the preparation, knowledge and discipline to deliver vital health messages.

Experts say that means not having multiple messengers jockeying for attention with completely different information. It means not overly reassuring people in the face of a threat that is likely to sicken many and kill some. It also means expressing empathy while also delivering information that may be scary. Tell people what they can and should do at an individual level to help those who are at greatest risk.

“It’s in the nature of leaders sometimes to want to tell everybody we have everything under control,” said Michael Palenchar, a crisis communications expert at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville. “We know overwhelmingly that research suggests that’s detrimental to health and safety.”

Palenchar was one of more than 180 who contributed to the CDC manual, including experts from the CDC, American Red Cross, FBI and EPA as well as federal and state health departments.

They compiled a list of pitfalls to avoid — a list that has begun to look a lot like the administration’s playbook.

Nearly every day since the coronavirus landed in America, the White House has issued “mixed and conflicting messages from multiple sources,” the first guideline in the manual’s list of potentially harmful practices. “Overly reassuring and unrealistic communication” has come from the highest levels of government. The “perception that certain groups are gaining preferential treatment” has become a problem with health care workers complaining they can’t get tested while two asymptomatic Trump allies in Congress, Celine Dion and the members of the Utah Jazz basketball team were able to access tests.

Crucial messaging also appears to be failing to reach or convince many in America. Nearly 50 million in the country are 65 or older — the most vulnerable age group for severe symptoms and death. But many are shrugging off pleas for them to practice social distancing. At The Villages, a sprawling Florida retirement community, many seniors said the crisis is being overblown and talked of continuing their normal lives.

The CDC manual devotes an entire chapter to “choosing the right spokesperson,” someone who gives the government and its message “a human form.” But the government’s leading health experts have had to repeatedly cede the microphone to politicians — with the nation’s top health officials repeatedly canceling news conferences to make room for Vice President Pence or Trump or to avoid upstaging other White House announcements.

Last week, instead of holding CDC’s news conference focused on coronavirus, Trump toured the CDC in front of cameras, telling the public, “Anybody right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. And the tests are beautiful.” This Friday, CDC’s press call was canceled again so that Trump could hold his Rose Garden news conference.

In recent days, rather than having one voice, the spokesperson role has ping ponged among Pence, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, Fauci and Trump. Trump in particular checks off many of attributes the manual specifically warns against. The spokesperson must be “familiar with the subject matter” and have the “ability to talk about it clearly and with confidence.”

Since taking office, Trump has ousted scientists, muzzled researchers and suppressed basic information on climate change. Public health officials worry that his erosion of public trust of science, coupled with the ongoing conflicting messaging between experts and politicians, is making it unclear whom the public should listen to.

“I’m fearful we’ve continued to undermine our belief that subject matter experts are people we should listen to,” said Seeger, the Wayne State professor. “We’ve done a good job over the last couple decades of undermining science and telling people scientists aren’t to be believed.”

All semester long, Johns Hopkins professor Sharfstein has been drilling the principles of the CDC manual into the class he teaches at Johns Hopkins. On Thursday, as the White house issued more contradictory statements, his students — a mix of undergrad and graduate students — debated the Trump administration’s response, which has served as a real-time master class for what not to do in a crisis.

They compared it to historical blunders in health communications: the 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when officials gave overly optimistic timetables on vaccines, and bungled messaging by British leaders on mad cow disease in the 1990s, which led to millions in economic damage to the country’s beef industry.

Similarly, several students noted, the messaging disasters in recent weeks have muddled and overshadowed lifesaving health advice to the public.

Many of his students were especially puzzled by the Trump administration’s reluctance to admit fault on its dire problems in testing for the coronavirus.

“They have so much less credibility because of that,” said one student, noting how questions of what went wrong keep dominating congressional hearings and news conferences — making it hard to get instructions to the public on how to prepare and suppress the spreading virus.

Another empathized with Trump officials: “It’s a fine line between apologizing and putting yourself out there for attacks.”

Sharfstein — who served as Maryland’s health secretary and a top FDA official in the Obama administration — asked his students whether they thought the Trump administration would be willing to make a partial admission: “Obviously something has gone wrong. There will be time to assess what went wrong, but right now here’s what I’m focused on to fix the problem.”

Students began workshopping what the White House could do to right the ship:

— Tell Americans, “We made mistakes. Here’s how we’re going to fix them.”

— Stop pretending testing is fine. Explain what solutions are underway

— One student simply cited the cover of the CDC manual: “Be first. Be right. Be credible.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/20...source=facebook

What? I honestly don't know what you are saying.

Man! That is beyond amazing!

Yes you do you are smarter than that ... It's an argument that goes nowhere but to hate, and hate isn't good for either side in anything ... besides it wasn't meat for you anyway

If people refuse to admit their mistakes, if they don't own up to them and learn from them, then we're all doomed to see those mistakes repeated.

The only hate going on is by those pretending those mistakes weren't made. They become defensive and use denial. Try to turn the tables to blame others.

The fact that we disagree on our politics doesn't mean we won't band together to help one another. Those are two separate things. I would help every single poster on this board if I am able to regardless of their politics.

Even arch.

I'm really not smarter than that, but I did buy a couple of nice filet mignons today.

Stopped in Kroger to grab some burger they have on sale and some butter I forgot to buy yesterday. The meat cases were almost completely empty, same with dairy butter and milk. Only butter was $6 half pound euro style. There were a few gallons of 1%/skim and some almond milk. Can foods 80% empty. Tissue/toilet paper empty. Produce almost empty. I seriously looked like the old USSR food ration pics of their stores. Yet people were still wheeling out full carts of food, some two and three at a time.

I asked the butcher if they were restocking in the AM and was told their trucks had been cancelled. I have no idea what they are going to sell tomorrow.

Much the same at my Kroger. They did have organic milk though. More expensive but still bought some. One thing of note, so many people seem to be in survival mode they have forgotten all about St. Patricks Day. Cabbage, baby carrots, potatoes and corned beef brisket were all available.

No one will respond to the single biggest reason the spread has been widely held at bay... compared to other countries.

The fingers go directly in their ears and they move on to the next (or same) narrative. I'm sure <insert any democratic president's name> would have handled it a lot better.

It's all childish. We're lucky our leaders and society have taken great measures to make us safe. That's why were great. Making it about Trump is silly anyway.

What do you guys think of this shotgun for home defense?

https://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/omni-hybrid-shotgun-gomni41ltd-stock-p-58513.html

i dunno about a hybrid.

you're better off with a normal shotty or an AR with "no" stock.

My Dad gave me a list of things the shotgun needs to have:

410 shotgun semiauto nbr4 shell no choke, short barrel, 00buck

This appears to have that. I don't know if the AR part makes it better or worse because I don't understand how it makes it different than a regular shotgun other than appearance.

thats why i said i dunno. i never messed with a described "hybrid".

hybrid when it comes to mechanical tends to mean more crap breaking/malfunctioning.

If you're going with a shotgun I recommend the Winchester defender. It doesn't look as you know, how do you say, "bad ass", but it works just as well at a fraction of the cost.

I mean if heaven forbid the time comes you would have to use it comes, I don't think you plan to let the perp look it over first anyway.

I never understood the need for a gun to be all decked out to make it look tough anyway. Both serve the same function just as well.

I guess a part can be switched to shoot 5.56 rounds? I won't need that part. Although it might be good to have. Unless I misunderstand what that means.

That looks cool.

But I'm not a big man. I'm a scrawny lady. It needs to be a 410 and semi-automatic.

Well it does come in a 20 gauge model which has far less kick than a 12. I understand you being after the smaller gauge though.

Are you aware that our official numbers are simply BS????????????????

We aren't testing. We don't know who the hell has this.

Yes, I am. Has nothing to do with the fact that the most important decision, with the highest impact, was made six weeks ago by our president. He was all but crucified by the same peanut gallery that constantly cries "racist" at everything he does and says.

We aren't testing because the imbeciles at the CDC can't even get the test right... and the FDA complicates matters even more. Quick question for anyone with an IQ higher than 12... With a shortage of tests and a crappy infrastructure and pipeline for the testing procedure as a whole ~ should we waste time and resources demanding that anyone testing positive should be tested twice?? Didn't think so.

Next: Get the private sector involved... They'll do things five times faster and ten times better. Trump put giants in the same room for a week, bitter rivals, they all walked out like they were in love with each other - each vowing to do their best to expedite the process and grab the bull by it's horns.

I'm not a huge Trump fan, there's nothing to say that anyone else couldn't do better. BUT - the early travel ban allowed us to buy enough time to see the real danger - and act appropriately. It was the right (and most important) decision. Complaining and nit-picking about all the other periphery bs is mind-numbing.

j/c

I don't really care to get into the politics of it, but this has been mismanaged and we've been forced to react.

As for traveling internationally, I know of two people (anecdotal, I know) that returned from Italy and France withi the past four days and the extra screening when they've arrived back at customs amounted to, "Where have you been?" "How long long where you there?" "Ok, welcome home."

This isn't a good look either...

I'd be leery of that hybrid. You'd probably be better off just buying a Mossberg or Remington 20ga tactical. They hold more rounds and you get more bang for the buck than with a .410 while still having much less recoil than a 12ga. Read this:

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/201...efense-shotgun/

There is one of our managers that went on a cruise and came back home last Sunday. I told him before he left that he might have an extended vacation, so be ready.
He went and docked in Mexico, Honduras and looped into the Bahamas. When he went into every country, they basically said welcome and nothing more.
When the cruise came back into the US, i asked him for sure they checked your temp, asked you where you were and he said they didn't do anything, they had me look into an IPAD and that was the facial recognition for his passport and he walked through and they never said/did anything else.

It has not been held at bay...we just didn't test for 4 or 5 weeks and now this is going pretty much explode all over the country.
And they can bs all they want now on the numbers but we are in for a surprise in about 2 weeks when the hospitals start getting overwhelmed.

And I think Gov Dewine of Ohio has done a really good job so far.

Luckily we have had a good plan starting when this started out in Washington state that we looked at things we might need in the house and on most of the items we were at about a 1-2 week supply left and we went out before the crowds and got hand sanitizer, oats, TP, Water, pasta, sauce, conditioning salts and filters, frozen foods, medicines, lysol, bleach, hand soaps, dog food, etc

We went out Thursday night for my wifes mom and Sams Club was stripped clean and it looked substantially busier than the weekend before Christmas; it was insane. We ended not getting much for her.

And because i go out and buy alot when there are big sales and my wife is always "why did you buy this, we dont have the room", we order a deep chest freezer today-we have been looking for a couple years and we decided its better to have some stock of frozen rather than to try to "just in time" all of our frozen items.

For home defense, there's nothing better.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/shotguns/ksg/

It has two magazine tubes, each holding 7, 2-3/4 inch shells or 6-3 inch shells. Whats even more interesting it will hold 12 of the Aguila mini shot shells in each tube, and it cycles them beautifully.

This is a bullpup shotgun, which is to say the action and magazine are behind the trigger. This shortens the shotgun to just 26 inches and what makes it by far the best option for home defense. If you're having to move through your home, you don't want a long rifle barrel being hindered by narrow hallways or furniture.

You may already know this, but it never hurts to say it.
Use bird or buck shot only. Save the slugs for the range. Since you're responsible for the ammo your weapon fires, you want to know it will not penetrate your walls and keep traveling outside your premise. There's no reason to risk hitting an innocent person.


The Picatinny rails let you dress it appropriately as well.

Versatile: it's all on record, because each of these statements were made in public- and recorded (every public comment that is made by the standing POTUS is recorded for archival posterity).

He said that s#... because that's exactly how he thinks.


It's a running (verifiable) narrative of his attempts to minimize/downplay/obfuscate/redirect the seriousness of the situation, when he should have been leading from in front of the headlines like any- no, EVERY other president has done in times like these.

I understand the desire for some of us to want to "put politics behind" this issue, but I'm sorry... we simply cannot be so myopic and naive as to give this stunningly stupid person the keys to Our Country for another 4 years, given the slop-ass way he's handled this crisis.

2 years ago, he fired the very people who were most qualified to handle a nationwide/worldwide health crises just like this. People who were already in place, because previous Executive Administrations saw fit to employ non-partisan science-based oversight personnel to protect The Public Good.

These people were already in place and busy doing their jobs. Until Donald John Trump took office.
He noticed that the commission had Barack Obama's name attached to it, and said: "This s# is gone." Even though the commission existed back into the Bush43 years.

And his MAGAmaniacs cheered. Because it "pwned the Libs."

Only problem: anyone who stood up to this fool was branded with the "lib" label. Which means that anyone who:

deals in facts/data
trusts the Scientific Process
Stayed awake in Biology
speaks truths verifiable by observable data

...was branded as "Anti-Trump."

-which tells you all you need to know about Trump and his most rabid supporters.


___________________


All you 60+ DawgTalkin' TrumpHumpers should consider your survival odds when your dumazz Ft. Lauderdale/Cancun-partying spring break grandkids come back to the homestead- and propel a 40-second close-conversation salivary aerosol feed into your ignorant FOX-sucking faces y'all gather at your next annual Easter Family Gathering.

Breathe deep, Gramps. Get all close and intimate. Do it with intent... so you can pwn some Libs.

Then pray that this Easter Gathering isn't your last.

Gonna be a whole lotta "slow singin' and flower bringin'" come May/June/July. "GrandDad- we wish we had more time..."

Well... GrandDad should have listened to medical professionals and epidemiologists instead of Donald f'kng Trump.

To those who say that "This isn't the time to take things political" I say this:

This is exactly the time to make/take things political. Because the level/quality of civic support we find RIGHT FKKING NOW is the level we can expect the next time something like this happens.

And something will happen.
Because something ALWAYS happens.
It's called: Daily Life.


If we don't hold this inept admin responsible for their lethargic, obfuscating, denial-based response to this unfolding crisis, we risk seeing them playing the next scenario out in the exact same manner when the next existential crisis comes 'round.

Because Donald Trump doesn't learn. Anything.
And his support group is a collection of 3rd and 4th string also-rans who are the only people willing to take jobs under his watch.

____________________

Those quotes you read are verifiable quotes that our standing POTUS has uttered. They are recorded, logged in... and are now part of the official US White House narrative.

It would be nice to promote a Kumbaya moment about this, but before that happens, this country needs to acknowledge what this man did, and how it now impacts everyday life for all of us.

He tore apart and s#-canned the very commission that was designed to protect us from a scourge like this. Because he thought it was an Obama initiative.


This isn't partisan politics.
This is verifiable fact.


We can fix this problem in November.
Until then, we need to mobilize, organize, knock or doors and sign up voters.

I'm doing all I can. It feels great to connect with voters, one-on-one.

I like that very much. It's 12 gauge though. It's too much much gun for me. I need a 410.

Using those Aguila minishells, the recoil is lessoned.

https://www.aguilaammo.com/shotshell/

Too bad you’re not closer, I’d just take you to the range and let you try it.

That's some grade A masterful wordsmithing right there. I read that and felt like I'd been taken to church!

So did I, will cook them up tonight. Might marinate them in a home devised teriyaki. I have 1 pineapple cup in the fridge. Probably use it for that after this post.

I went to Wal-Mart early on Sat. 5ish...like I usually do and it was mobbed out from the day before. I picked up a few things. Mostly sardines and canned salmon. Most Americans don't eat those. We love them, so those can usually be found. 25 cans of sardines and 8 cans of salmon cost me about $50. Another week of food for the two of us. I am talking in low consumption conditions.

Later in the day I went to my local Food City and it was pretty much business as usual. It's where I bought my prime tenderloins that were on sale. The TP was low, but they had it and had a 2 units per customer. They did a good job of managing things. IMO as soon as the managers in any store see a rush on an item, put a immediate limit on that item, even to the people already in line. If you don't like, leave and don't get any.

People panic. I think that is why the info was managed by the White House, CDC, etc. You don't just say the world is coming to an end, you slowly let people figure it out. It reduces the panic factor. Panic and resolve are different.

Speaking of panic factor which we all are seeing, though it is calming at this point. I urge all to have a way to protect what is yours. As has been pointed out, many people can't last 3-4 days before they are out of food. If they can't go to the grocery to get more, guess where they are going to start looking? Yep, at the neighbors. You have to have a means to keep them out. JMHO

If anything my fellow dawgs can take away from this is the government can't resolve every problem nor protect every citizen. It is incumbent on us to be prepared for the unexpected and help our governments, local and national do what we hope and expect them to do. Being an American does have expected responsibilities.

Obviously we can't prepare for everything but we can stock adequate food and supplies to get by for 6-8 weeks, longer once you start to self ration. The government isn't going to have food trucks on every corner in a week.

You don't have to do it all at once. Buy an extra 5 cans of this or a few packages of TP and store it away. Don't use it. It is for emergency only. Once you feel you might need to use it in a couple of years, replace it as you use it.

I have some freeze dried, but am not a big fan of that. It requires a lot of water to reconstitute and you have to cook it. I go under the assumption of having no power, so then you need a camp stove and bottles of propane. I have that, but I am talking about this as a common sense deal, not becoming a full prepper trying to be the last survivor. I don't think there is any award for that.

Same with common supplies that come in handy during a crisis. Simple things like 90% rubbing alcohol are important to have, a big jug of bleach goes a long way for cleaning a surface. A cap full in a quart of water does the trick. Have a way to start a fire. Bic Lighters are cheap. It's not expensive to store up 50. Have Tea candles...you know, they come in a little tin cup. You can buy 100 for about $4. They burn about 6 hours. It's not all that expensive to have enough to light up a few rooms for a year. They are already in a tin. Just put on a dish and forget it. You aren't going to burn your place down unless you are stupid.

Think of the basic things you need. Water, food, sanitation items to clean items and sponge your body. Basic first aid items to cleanse wounds and seal them.

Basic tools. Since you are going to have a lot of cans to open, have several can openers….manual type. You don't want your 1 to break and you are scraping cans on concrete to get them open. You waste the liquid in the can if you have to do that. That water in your can of green beans holds a lot of nutrients and helps you hydrate.

We can all do this for maybe $600. Again, everybody can do this $25 at a time. If you can't, I suggest you cancel your internet service so then you can even double or triple up your home supply.

Good luck to all, I don't think this going away any time soon. This is going to be the new normal for a good while. I really don't expect the NFL to play next season. The season after, possibly. I don't think this a one and done virus, and the common cold is a corona virus and we haven't been able to crack that code.

Everybody stay safe and keep a level head.

March 15, 2020

Lawrence O’Donnell smirks while essentially accusing Trump of mass murder


By Andrea Widburg

Two things are necessary to analyze information: (1) perspective; and (2) recognizing source bias. These tools have never been more useful than now, in a time of coronavirus.

We are not the first to suggest that Democrats in and out of the media are exploiting coronavirus for political benefit. Having failed to take President Trump down with the Russia hoax and the faux impeachment, they’re grabbing on to coronavirus, with none more openly virulent than MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, a grinning jack-o-lantern of doom.

Here’s some perspective:

On March 13, 2020, when President Trump declared a national emergency and mobilized the entire government to fight coronavirus, there were 1,629 cases and 48 people had died. As Sharyl Attkisson detailed, all but five were over 70, with several over 80. Four others were younger but with underlying medical conditions. Seventy-seventy percent of the deaths were in Washington State.

The data were different on October 26, 2009, when President Obama declared a national emergency because of H1N1, which had then been ravaging America for seven months. For a direct comparison to coronavirus, two months after H1N1 got its start, 43,677 people were infected and 302 people had died. By the time Obama announced a national emergency, CNN reported even higher numbers albeit in a calm, rational fashion:

President Obama has declared a national emergency to deal with the “rapid increase in illness” from the H1N1 influenza virus.

[snip]

Since the H1N1 flu pandemic began in April, millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

H1N1 originated in Mexico, but Obama left the border open – and did so with media encouragement.

In China, there were 156,000 confirmed coronavirus cases in a country of 1.4 billion people, with an unknown, but probably higher, number of unconfirmed cases. China admitted to only 5,800 deaths. Proportionately, Italy's situation is more concerning. Coronavirus exploded there, with 21,157 confirmed cases and 1,441 deaths now reported.

Both Italy and China have underfunded, third-world style socialized medicine; heavy pollution; aged populations; and large numbers of smokers. Both had slow reactions when the illness appeared.

In America, we have a first-class, well-funded, proactive medical system, clean air, relatively few smokers, and our population is not disproportionately elderly. Trump closed our borders to China months ago and closed our borders to Europe (including the UK) this weekend. American infections and deaths are still low.

Coronavirus could be an emergency here, but it isn’t yet, and Trump has been proactive.

That gives a sense of perspective.

For bias, look at the pass the media gave Obama for his dilatory reaction to H1N1. America ultimately had 60.8 million H1N1 cases, with deaths disproportionately affecting working adults and children. There were an estimated 12,469 deaths, but the media never complained about Obama. This contrasts with the media’s drumbeat that, with 48 deaths, Trump failed to address the problem.

But if you really want bias, nothing equals Lawrence O’Donnell’s smirking statement that Trump is a mass murderer:

The most incompetent and uninformed president in history has led the federal government into the worst emergency response to a pandemic that we have ever seen in this country. One of our guests will tell us that it’s one of the worst responses by any government in the world today.

More people are sick in American tonight because Donald Trump is president. More people are dead and dying in America tonight because Donald Trump is president. More people are losing more of their life savings and retirement accounts today because Donald Trump is president.

As we will discuss later in this hour, the President’s ten-minute speech from the Oval Office last night directly provoked more loss of stock market value, which is to say retirement funds, than any other speech by any other president in history. If Donald Trump had just said nothing last night, where would we be today?

In answer to O'Donnell's last question, if he'd possessed a crystal ball, he would have seen that Trump’s press conference two days later caused the market to go up by almost 2,000 points.

Media bias is so extreme and unbalanced, and so manifestly contrary to coverage during the H1N1 era, that reasonable people must discount media hysteria. Yes, there’s something serious going on here; yes, we should be proactive to flatten the curve; but no, President Trump has not been a disaster. Instead, he’s been on top of things and it’s the Trump deranged media that’s the disaster.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/202...ass_murder.html

Yeah so .... what about.....‘If you want to get tested you can get tested.” ?

So what have you done to be a responsible American? Complaining and whining in in a crisis isn't being responsible.

You are sounding like you need the government to take care of you. That isn't being a responsible American.

As citizen of this country, we need to take care of our government at well.

Just saying....as for Lawrence or whatever his name is, I have a big ole American boot that would like to kick his ass.

Too many wish bones and not enough back bones in this country. Not to sound sexist, but a womans back bone is different from a mans.

Women set moral direction. Men get that direction done, and that usually requires a fight.

Women talk, Men fight.


It takes both. One without the other is useless and becomes irritating to the other.

Just look at the "animal kingdom" since we are animals as well. The females protect the young and the males protect the females. Male lions don't take down all that many game animals. The females do. The male just shows up to eat what he wants, but when a intruder shows up, he is out up front and center ready for the fight.

As humans we are more refined, but we are still animals and those basic instincts are still there.

It's natures order.

It's not whining ... It's about looking at the FACTS of how the POTUS has handled the crisis.

It's called holding people ACCOUNTABLE for their actions and words and deeds.

For someone who complains about the wooseyfication of the USA - it's odd that you choose to want to gloss over all the things Trump has said and done that were so flat wrong and added and exasperated to the issues. When the leader of the free world spends as much time blaming other countries and trying to blame Obama and then stand on a stage like an utter simpleton and says he doesn't know anything about his administration shutting down the US Pandemic Response Team .... you know we are in trouble. And somehow you and others want to try and suggest holding Trump accountable is a bad thing. pfft.

Up until last friday, Trump was saying the Coronavirus was a hoax,, so please get down off your high horse and reconize trump for what he is,, A Liar

Strange concept - doing more than one thing at a time - but I reckon we have enough brain power between most of us to discuss what a shambles this administration has shown it'self to be in the face of crisis .... while ALSO doing the right things to be responsible and help the situation as best we can.

He just pointed out the idiocy of the guy you are blindly supporting! That's the most important and American thing he could be doing right now unless he has a degree in medicine or virology!

If only there were a human IT Dept that could network that mental capacity! Many of the slower operating systems could use a boost of computing resources.