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The trouble with that thinking is that you'd actually get a fair reflection of population. Based on all the efforts to prevent certain voters from being able to vote - pretty sure that's not high on the agenda for some.

Honest question: Who's not allowed to vote, obviously other than those too young?

Mgh wasn't suggesting that, BUT, it is a known fact that there is suppession of vote.

It's much easier to vote in middle/upper class neighborhoods than it is in poor neighborhoods. There are more booths and they are clustered closer together. When one has a stable job, income etc. they can take the time off work and the lines are not as long. When one has instability in income, food etc., it's further away to the booth and the lines are long in November, in places like Cleveland...people don't vote anywhere near in the same numbers. This is a known fact.

Thanks for the reply. I disagree with much of it, but you responded in a respectful manner. You may have a point/some points, but I believe polls are open from about 7 a.m to as late as 8 p.m. We also have early voting available, as well as mail in ballots to remedy much of what you are saying.

But, I go back to what mgh posted: Based on all the EFFORTS to PREVENt CERTAIN voters from BEING ABLE to vote...

I asked who was not allowed to vote. My bad for my wording, as he did not say "not allowed". He said "efforts to PREVENT..."

I agree. I lived in Salem, Oregon in the late 90’s for a few years. That’s when Oregon started the 100% mail in ballot there. We loved it.

'Biden's cognitive issues can no longer be ignored'

Australia's SKY News covers this! You have to see the video.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6141241593001

Ostriches don't laugh.

And Bernie supporters either aren't the numbers you claim or aren't showing up to vote for him. Pick your poison.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/us/politics/voting-rights-alabama.html

Alabama is one of the worst, but it's happening everywhere. When the Supreme Court turned back the Voting Rights Act, no fewer than a half-dozen states began closing down voting sites... mostly in poor and predominantly minority neighborhoods and districts within 48 hours of the ruling's ink being dried. They couldn't wait for this, and were already set up to jump on it the instant they were able.

When 'Citizen S'(suburbs) can simply swing by his precinct on his lunch hour to drop in a vote, and 'Citizen I' (inner city) is forced to stand in line for 2 hours, there exists an inherent inequity. It's totally baked into The System. Voter suppression is actually a very real thing.

The fact that you don't see it/'disgree' with it is irrelevant.

Would you please tell that to the hospital I work at?

Their idea of voter suppression having an I.D. and being legally registered to vote cause its to hard for some of their voters to do any of that, especially the illegals.

Obviously you didn't read Clems post above. That or you don't care because most of them wouldn't vote for your party.

So, they can't vote by mail?

I would have to know all of those state's laws to know the answer to that and I don't.

I think the bigger question would be, why would you make it harder to vote in person when you don't have to? I mean what would the purpose be behind that? Is restricting your choices for which way you vote a good thing?

Well maybe those INNER CITY voters should start electing people that actually care about them not just using them for votes and their personal liberal agenda.

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Yet, you and others perpetuate the claim that voting is difficult. You can vote by mail. Claiming you don't know about every states laws, but agreeing that voting is harder for the poor, without any proof of either, is not becoming.



It's not hard to vote in person, regardless of what some may think. Inconvenient? Possibly. That's why the polls stay open late, and open early, and allow mail in ballots. And, early voting. By my count, 37 states, plus DC allow early voting. https://time.com/4495435/early-voting-states/

Get this: even rich people in urban areas stand in line to vote if they don't take advantage of early voting privileges, or mail in voting.



What would you suggest? Having the pollsters go door to door so you, the voter, don't have to inconvenience yourself at all?

This isn't hard.

It's not a trick question.

If people can still vote - wonderful. If people can vote by mail. Wonderful.

But .... if you target poor areas and you - get this - REDUCE the number of polling stations. If you ADD identification requirements (much discussed) .... regardless of whether it was easy or hard or if there are other options .... If you reduce the options are you making it harder or easier? And since this is systematic - much like the Gerrymandering - do you think it's aimed at helping or inconveniencing potential voters.

Again - since I can almost hear your keyboard keys beginning to pop a reply - it matters not whether there are other options or how hard or easy those other options are. Relative to before - once you remove something (polling stations) you make it HARDER than before.

What part of "making it more difficult" seems to be escaping you?



No, and nobody even suggested what you are saying. And you claim it's other people who start stupid BS?

What I suggest is they stop closing polling stations where people are less likely to have transportation to drive. You seem to suggest that making it less convenient for people in such areas is perfectly fine.

I know it's been discussed many times before. All I'll say is why, when I go to vote, do the poll workers say "Hi Arch, how ya doing? I need to see some i.d. before you can vote."

Why is that not a law everywhere?

Never suggested anything of the sort. I see you haven't changed 1 bit. You twist peoples words to fit your argument. Carry on.

Because some people can't afford or don't have access to IDs.

It's a poll tax.

If you could magically have an ID appear in every citizen's hand then it would be a great idea.

State IDs should be provided by the government at no cost, and we should’ve been had automatic voter registration at 18, regardless if one actually decides to vote or not.

No driver's license? Get a state I.D. card. It costs all of 8.50 - good for 4 years. Just over $2 per year.

If people don't have a driver's license, a state I.D. card, or other proof of residency and citizenship, they can't buy prescription drugs. Hell, they can't legally buy sudafed. They can't go to the doctor. They can't receive medical benefits.

Crazy, right?

If there is sarcasm here, I'm not seeing it. If there's not sarcasm....well...

My point is it's crazy that there are people who can't afford a card that costs $8.50 or don't have access to it.

And my point is if they can't afford the $8.50, as well as being able to prove citizenship - with all the help given them, well....if voting is that important to them, they could do it. Period.

There are places that will literally drive them where they need to go, all they need is the proof they are a legal citizen.

I know why some don't feel people need to have a legit i.d. to vote. They can make all the excuses in the world, but they are wrong. Period. End of discussion.

Everyone: re read my last post.

Like I said, if a person can have an ID magically show up in their hand then I am all for having IDs to vote.

Voting is a right. If something obstructs that right it should not be instituted. It doesn’t matter if is important to the person or not.

We have a lot of rights. I don't believe any of them require us sitting on our ass. I have a right to own a gun. Can't just have someone magically bring it to me.

I have a right to vote. As long as I can prove I am a legal citizen with ...............ah. screw it.

I think you don’t know what a right is.

Perhaps. I know you have a right to sit on your ass if you want. Hell, you'll even get food given to you.

Perhaps a right means you need to do something to exercise that right. The only right I can think of off the top of my that requires you to do nothing is the right to not speak.

United States citizens are given the right to vote. They do not have to earn it.

So, get your damn i.d. that costs 8.50 and then vote. I never said they had to earn it.

You don't have an i.d.? You can't bank, you can't see the doctor, you can't receive any federal benefits (in theory), you can't buy sudafed, you can't drive, you can't get a book at the local library........if you can't identify yourself, you get squat. And while voting is a right, if you can't prove you have that right, you get nothing. Period.


I have a right to buy a house. Try doing that without i.d.

You're just being stupid now.

You don't have an i.d.? Don't vote.

Somehow these people that can't afford an i.d. to vote can afford to do everything damn thing other that needs an i.d. to do.

Where in the Constitution is your right to buy a house?

Again, I don’t think you know what a right is.

I've never voted in Ohio without having to show my driver's license. And as far as I know you can't bank without some sort of government accepted ID. So to a degree I agree with Arch on this one, with the caveat that getting an ID must be an easy and affordable for all process. I know that you can get a state ID even if you don't drive.

$8.50 for a state i.d. last I saw. All you need to do is a minimal proof of residency.

I show my ID every time I vote because it makes it easier for the poll workers to find me. It makes things easier.

I don't think you know what a clue is.

Lose the argument. Name call. Fun stuff.