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I just don't see being able to address all three OL positions, LT, RT and RG, in one off season. I think the plan will be to move Hubbard to RG and as far as his salary, it isn't bad for a starting RG.

I'm not saying I love the idea, but I do think it's an avenue we may travel.

I thought I read where the Browns were high on Teller? I'm not sure about that, but did anyone read/hear that?

Yep.

And I fully trust Callahan.

I may very well be wrong. I'm just trying to apply the math here. With Conklin signed, for the life of me unless they plan to start Hubbard at RG, I don't have a clue why they haven't cut the guy. His salary is far too high for a swing guy.

As of now I don't really know what to make of this FO. I like their initial signings and as of now I'm giving them a free pass on some of the questionable signings. I think they could be depth and some may end up simply as camp fodder. So as of this moment, I'm trying to see it as a glass half full guy. Though I'm puzzled WTH is going on at the LB'er position.

I would have thought Hubbard would have been given his walking papers when Conklin was signed. He wasn't. So I'm just trying to make some sense of that.

I don't know, either.

I’d say we have to do 1 of 3 things with Hubbard:

1. Restructure his deal to fit that of a backup/swing guy
2. Move him to RG if we feel he’s a starter
3. Cut him

Any of those three options would make sense.

Yes, and don't forget about Forbes.

I read that Hubbard believes he will be cut. But since it hasn't happened yet maybe they are reconsidering.

He had a rocky start, but I thought that he settled in afterwards. (But he might not have the skills to fit the new blocking scheme?)

If I had to speculate, he and Forbes would be more likely combative candidates in regard to the RG position.

Forbes is a fairly athletic Guard type, and I think that he has a shot at grabbing the RG spot. Having a 1st year starter there doesn't worry me too much since he would be between Tretter and Conklin. If he does work out there, and with a rookie LT, we could be set for a few years on the OL.

I agree, and he should get the oppritunaty to win the job ... Whenever we play again...

I think it ailry evident they are going to throw him in to the mix at guard.

If he doesn't win the job, he is gone unless everybody else fails miserably.

I hear ya. I don't have much time anymore either. I'm a mariner, out to sea for a month then home for a month. But with the Corona Virus, my months at home are full-time stay-at-home Dad (Pulled daughter out of daycare and wife works from home). And my time out at sea is extremely busy because i'm what's known as a Chief Mate. It seems to mean that i'm in charge of a ridiculous amount of things in the daily operations of the boat. Essentially my own job, whatever the Captain seems to forget, and then whatever else everyone comes up to me with (And it seems like everyone comes to me with all sorts of crap)


Anyway, if you get a chance, just spend some time looking at them. Game-film. Not whatever you see at the combine. I've got them rated 1) Wills 2) Thomas. 3) Becton & Wirfs (no order and don't know which i prefer yet). Wills reminds me a bit of Joe Thomas. Technically very sound. Athletic. Not super big or imposing, but a real student of the game who plays smart. Thomas is a very good player too. Better runbocker than Wills it seems, but not the passblocker that Wills is.

Becton and Wirfs are athletic freaks, but have question-marks (as many 1st round talents can have). Wills has no questionmarks in my book. And Thomas has very little of that too. Just a matter of preference between those two.


Wills and Thomas really impress me. It's hard for me to believe that if one of them is on the board, we'll pass on them for anyone but Chase Young.



It's also hard for me to believe, if you watch enough, that you won't say, damn Jedrick Wills can step in and immediately be a good starting NFL LT. Just show up and do the job. He's that polished........ Guy will start his career here (and end his very successful career here) if we get a chance to draft him

I admit I have no clue what they plan to do at the RG position. I was just trying to make sense of carrying Hubbard's salary on the cap. His salary would line up great for a starting RG. It doesn't make much sense for a swing guy who isn't a starter. As I said, I really have no idea what their plans are for him.

Of course, it all depends on who the decision makers think is worthy. Might not line up with what you, me, or anyone else on here thinks.

Good argument Tab. My thinking is that Simmons is a game changing talent with positional flexibility. You mention him as a WILL but he can play SS, FS, nickle, and QB Spy. He can cover, he's fast, he can tackle, and he seems to have a feel for the game. Were he bigger, he could be a MIKE.

Something cfrs often says is that the defenses are changing. The 3-4/4-3 distinction is fading as more teams play with 4-2-5 more often. For some teams, nickle is the base formation.

Having a field captain at the nickle instead of MIKE may be advantageous. Simmons seems to offer that kind of potential.

But as you point out, having a stud LT on a good line can take an offense to another level.

I just hope one is on the board when we get to pick. I doubt it. We’ll probably end up with Thomas. Jmo

With the new CBA rules I’m not sure this is going to hurt him.

Hope he is off our board.

He is off

I want Thomas anyway.

For whatever reason (even before this news) the thought of Becton scared me ... he seems to have the highest chance to bust. I’d take Thomas if possible

I think Ezra's chances of busting are higher.

Becton probably has the highest boom potential. But, the bust potential is definitely there.

I think the fact that our OL coach made Ereck Flowers into something other than a bust gives me a bit of hope Becton could work out for us if we went that direction.

Probably not the direction that I'd go. I expect there will be some wildcards early in the draft that make things interesting.

I'm not sure Andrew Thomas is the best scheme fit if we're going heavy ZBS. He's not the most agile. His drops are pretty good, but he's kind of tight hipped.

I think Austin Jackson is the best fit stylistically, but definitely needs seasoning and has bust potential. Preferably he could learn behind a Peters/Williams for awhile. Maybe have some blocking TE/extra lineman duty to get his feet wet.

I agree with you but think most people see these two on different levels. I think many see Becton as a possible #10 selection where as they see someone like Cleveland as a late first to early second round pick. So I think that varies the expectation of each.

If people weren't talking about trading back to 16 with the Falcons and taking Cleveland there, I'd agree with you.

Ezra in the 3-4th round, sure. Top half of the first round, heck no.

If we draft Jackson for our LT need then we better trade for Williams or sign Peters, because he is a project who will probably take a year or two before he can handle the job well enough.

I would certainly NEVER consider Clevland mid first round. To me that's just crazy talk that would wreak of desperation. That MAY be the point at which I would consider Becton.

JMHO, you're stating Becton even with the potential drug issue...with the "new culture" again, I just doubt it...I don't see us taking any potential character issues....Our "real football players" guy blew several picks on those types...and yes, so far Hunt has survived....barely....I'd take guy with less talent and more trust, drive....GO Browns!!!

Does anyone have that article/quote? I would like to read it in context.

Hmmmm...seems to me I remember something similar also.

Think Jerry Sherk !

Good article. Thanks.

Simmons, Wills, Wirfs, Thomas in that order at #10 for me.

By the way, Ezra Cleveland was also an outsanding HS wrestler.