DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Moneyballers May Be Leading the Browns Right Back to the Tank

I thought it was funny to mention that because this new analytics FO spent money that they aren't like the old analytic FO and more like Dorsey.

And you're right. So far, they have been much more smarter with their contracts than the previous "guy."

The contracts do seem a bit more thoughtful but I think the wiser observation is that one day in to sign players means absolutely nothing as it compares to one regime or another.

Let's not forget the regime before Dorsey which also included Berry and Depo signed Zeitler as the highest paying guard in the NFL at the time, extended Bitonio as one of the highest paid guards at the time, gave Jamie Collins a very healthy contract, etc.

All this means is that each FO used FA and spent money. To the degree in which that make these decision and determines contracts is what is could be the big difference moving forward.

It's hilarious, not more than two weeks ago, Versatile was on here screaming bloody murder that after the releases of Carrie, Kush, Harris, and Taylor that it's back to the "old ways" only to go in the opposite direction in one day all just to try and make a comparison to Dorsey.

I love it.

I'm not going to worry about the phrase "highest paid" because that only holds for the first year, sometimes less.

What is important is how that is paid out, and it looks like they make Austins contract front heavy while we have cap space.

When, not if (optimist ), we start winning, then things will change a little more. But when you are a perennial loser, you have to pay a little more.

If 2 teams offer the same deal, 99.9% of the guys would choose the team most likely to win.

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This guy is "smart."

Not before I come in here and apologize. I still have a healthy bit of skepticism, but they just alleviated a HUGE worry of mine... that they won't spend money and let more talent leave than bring in.

I'll take some of that crow now...

So spending money like we have in FA so far pretty much slams that point to the ground as BS.

Yeah, the Moneyballers argument should be dead after yesterday's moves.

I wonder if people realize that it's possible to spend more than any team and still have more cap space than any team.

the part about not spending money should be. I still have doubts, but to be over the cliff like Mac has been, has shut down just about every idea he has put forth since we have hired AB and staff.

I don't think theres a single person that can complain about the signings we have made so far.

You under estimate people on this board.

Agreed. Kinda hard to use the "Moneyballers" label after how much they spent yesterday.

I had serious doubts about the new/returning FO, but I'm very happy w/the moves they made yesterday. They were aggressive, filled needs, and were anything but cheap.

This team had a ton of talent and now they're even better. I'm getting excited again.

It's probably going to come down to how well Baker plays and if the coaching is good.

Spending money was never an issue. We've been quite active in free agency the past 4 years. One year when we tore the team down we were quiet and people have insisted that's the norm.

100% agree. And you know I am a Baker guy - I would even go forth and say that there is 0 way the coaching can be worse than last year - so its 100% on Baker.

ya know, I was originally skeptical of this regime, thought Haslam was making a knee jerk reaction about Dorsey, I still think he'd have gotten the job done, he did bring in lots of talent, most we've had in years, but with the recent signings, this FO is starting to make me a believer that they might actually be able to bring in talent to make the Browns, um, good. It certainly won't be their fault for lack of vision or effort if this team doesn't start winning. (the FO that is)

I still have doubts. This rendition of the FO still has the upcoming draft... between this FA and having at least a "good" draft, they will have addressed the majority of my doubts.

J/c:

Honestly, I'm kind of in the let's see how these moves work out camp.

I don't hate any of the moves, but they don't get me super excited, either. I'm not sure the tape matches the analytics. I'm also kind of waiting for Conklin to pass a physical/knee exam and the moves to become official.

They could work out great. Hopefully the evals, expectations, plans, and ultimately results line up as we all would like.

I never understood that argument ... they weren’t cheap in regards to spending on FA’s or re-signing Collins ... they spent big bucks on Zeitler, Britt, Trotter and Jamie and they extended Joel for a real nice chunk of change ....

They got the “they won’t spend” rep cause they cut everyone and “saved” that way and let FA’s walk we never had a chance to re-sign ... the only one they had a realistic chance to re-sign was Mitch and they f’d that up big time ... Mack, the safety and Travis they had no shot at IMO ...

They stunk at drafting and the Britt and Collins signings were just MORONIC but they spend money last time ...

Yesterday they overspent on Hooper just like they did with Zeitler but its the nature of the beast and i for one have zero probs with it ... i think they got a great deal with Conklin and that actually scares me ... *L* ... they overpaid for Case also but he is a damm good backup and brings knowledge of the HC and system witch makes him even more valuable ...

I also have no probs with them cutting Kirksey even though I loved him ... i am a little miffed at why Sho didn’t get re-signed but u think he’s quite a bit better than i do ... we’ll never now what happened there ..

Overall I’m thrilled with these guys so far .... if Kev can coach .... u ain’t gonna like it but

LETS GOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo

Why wouldn't I like that?

Just give it up. Your squirming makes it worse.



It obvious you don't know what you are talking about.


We are talking football here and you keep talking baseball.


HELLO!

Do you know what "moneyball" is?

I don't believe so.

You think they're being cheap? You're really going to die on this hill?