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Since there ain't much else to do but watch Gilligan's Island...

Eve, read your post in the other thread about Airlines and I couldn't agree more.

I am looking at Carnival Cruise Lines too.

Once this Vir-ass passes, people are gonna want to get out and go places.

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I am still alive with my Boeing investment at $100 and $89.

Currently at $100.50 per share.

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AT&T is one of my investments still in the positive.

To the other stuff you said, yes people will want to get out and travel. Unfortunately that’ll be well behind the virus’s demise. People are going to be digging out of back car, mortgage, rent, business... loan payments for months and months and months. If most families couldn’t afford to put away a months pay, how are they going to dig out of being behind on their mortgage for 3 months? Especially if they’re required to pay those 3 months back with a certain time frame.

As to the market, I’ll continue to buy Carnival too. They will be back. It’ll just be a year or so after this goes away.

Please Lord let this go away.
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I second your prayer.

Money will soon be on the way from the government to keep people afloat financially, along with business and industry. This should help ease that blow.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I second your prayer.

Money will soon be on the way from the government to keep people afloat financially, along with business and industry. This should help ease that blow.


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General question...If the economy was doing so great, why can’t the middle class last a month or even a week without a paycheck?


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It was doing great for "some people".


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Goldman Sachs projecting a -24% growth in second qtr of 2020.

Yikes. Great Depression #’s.

Where is our leadership? Selling off stock. pffft.

Told you guys.


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General question...If the economy was doing so great, why can’t the middle class last a month or even a week without a paycheck?


Because 'people' - at all levels of income - are ridiculously STUPID when it comes to budgeting and peeing away their money. But they are quite adept at pinning their self-induced financial woes on anything else that they can.

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General question...If the economy was doing so great, why can’t the middle class last a month or even a week without a paycheck?


Because 'people' - at all levels of income - are ridiculously STUPID when it comes to budgeting and peeing away their money. But they are quite adept at pinning their self-induced financial woes on anything else that they can.


First of all you have no data to prove your point....But yeah choosing to get a prescription filled or to pay the electrical bill is pissing away money to some of you. Pfft the trump era. You guys crack me up. $7.20 the minimum wage in the trump era. Pfft


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
General question...If the economy was doing so great, why can’t the middle class last a month or even a week without a paycheck?



NPR had something couple days ago that if this goes 2 months 25 percent of small businesses just will not reopen their doors.



Survey: More than half of small businesses say they can't operate past three months amid virus outbreak
BY ZACK BUDRYK - 03/19/20 06:00 PM EDT 389



Survey: More than half of small businesses say they can't operate past three months amid virus outbreak
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A majority of American small business owners said their businesses could not weather more than three months of the economic strain induced by the coronavirus pandemic, according to a survey by Goldman Sachs.

Of 1,500 business owners surveyed earlier this week, 51 percent said their business would only be able to operate for up to three months. Only 13 percent of respondents said they were confident about their contingency plans, according to the survey.

The survey found that 96 percent of small business owners said they have already been affected by the pandemic, with 75 percent saying they have had fewer sales and 53 percent saying their employees do not have the option to telecommute amid the pandemic.


The survey comes as Congress weighs whether to provide loans and grants to struggling small businesses amid the pandemic, with Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) pushing for direct assistance.

“There’s strong conviction and belief that we’re going to have to step up, using the local banks and all the banks to participate in a program guaranteed by the [Small Business Administration] to provide immediate cash availability to businesses in order to be able to maintain workers,” Rubio said this week.

The Goldman Sachs survey of more than 1,500 small business owners from 48 states and four U.S. territories was conducted March 16-17

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I second your prayer.

Money will soon be on the way from the government to keep people afloat financially, along with business and industry. This should help ease that blow.


So now you like Socialism? Odd Does that mean you'll vote for Sanders if nominated?


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Since this is basically an economy thread, I’ll put my thoughts here.

I’m very nervous that we seem to have politicians and others slowly clamoring for revenge against China.

I’m not sure if there’s some underlining hate due to conspiracies that somehow his was intentional or not, but I’m worried because the trump administration might use this crisis as a reason to ramp up the trade war against China.

If we get into that, this could have 1929 written all over it.

History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes. The unemployment numbers are gonna be frightening. There’s a number of companies That might not ever recover.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I am still alive with my Boeing investment at $100 and $89.

Currently at $100.50 per share.


Ouch ...u should have sold when it was still over 300 in feb like me. rofl winning.


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future markets opened at 6pm.

by 6:08pm, it hit its limit breaker at 5%.

tomorrow will be another bloodbath.


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future markets opened at 6pm.

by 6:08pm, it hit its limit breaker at 5%.

tomorrow will be another bloodbath.




Maybe why?

Key procedural vote on economic stimulus fails after Democrats warn of 'serious issues' with bill

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Wonder what the issues are. I haven’t seen a clear direction from anyone in government on how this is all going down.

What a cluster.


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I wouldn't want to be either party right now because they came out last week promising checks for everyone and deferred evictions, student loan payments, etc. Now they have all back pedalled away from those promises.

When that stuff doesn't materialize the natives will be pissed. Much easier to promise aid than to take it away.


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These butt-holes playing politics over this one while people suffer is unconscionable.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Wonder what the issues are. I haven’t seen a clear direction from anyone in government on how this is all going down.

What a cluster.


There is no clear direction, that is the problem.

This is end game. The world ends up different. You can't expect anybody or anything to have the answers.

I still think China let this out. Screw them. Nuke them tonight with a big smile on the face.


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Wonder what the issues are. I haven’t seen a clear direction from anyone in government on how this is all going down.

What a cluster.


There is no clear direction, that is the problem.

This is end game. The world ends up different. You can't expect anybody or anything to have the answers.

I still think China let this out. Screw them. Nuke them tonight with a big smile on the face.


You know what, I think you are wrong but I'll play your game for one second here. Let's say this is bioengineered by China, why would they release it on themselves with no cure or well tested treatment? Wouldn't it make more sense that it was Russia who released it to hit China, Europe, and the US? Or maybe it's and elitist move to reduce the population. Or maybe drilling in the arctic seabed released and ages old virus that took out many primates before us... See how this works? Anyone can make up scenarios and lay blame when the truth is that it's a virus! Could be a new mutation or and old one. Might have come from bats or another animal but could have come from anywhere. It might even be a traveler from space that arrived here on a meteor... All we really know is that it is a huge threat to the entire world and the blame game doesn't help anyone.

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j/c:

Are any of you experts at playing the market? If so, please PM me. I have a few questions.

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I still think China let this out. Screw them. Nuke them tonight with a big smile on the face.


You've been chanting this mantra for weeks now. You need to stop.

My best friend of over 40 years is a retired Air Force Colonel. Hi new gig post service: he's the head of pharmacy at the Dayton VA. He's spent a lifetime in science and medicine. Has advanced study in infectious diseases and epidemiology. Has sat on numerous panels and has testified as an expert on Captiol Hill.

I asked him outright, last week, when this thing began ravaging these shores. His response: "Science isn't good enough to engineer something this efficient. Science will be just barely good enough to catch up with it. And then, another one will come along."

Then, I find this, earlier today:

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The new coronavirus was not genetically engineered, study shows
New research finds that SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19, is the result of the natural process of evolution rather than a product of laboratory engineering.

The new study appears in the journal Nature Medicine, and Kristian Andersen, Ph.D., an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, CA, is the first and corresponding author on the paper.

Andersen and colleagues set out to see what they could deduce about the origin of the new coronavirus from analyzing the genomic data available.

As the authors mention in their paper, since the start of the COVID-19 outbreak, researchers have been trying to grapple with the origins of the virus that caused it.

Initially, experts linked the virus to the seafood market in Wuhan, China, while later study papers suggested that the virus may have spread to humans from illegally trafficked mammals called pangolins.

To evaluate the origin of the new virus, the researchers compared the “backbone” of SARS-CoV-2 with that of other viruses that commonly affect bats and pangolins.

They did so using the genetic sequencing data that Chinese scientists made available.

Andersen and his team also looked at spike proteins — features that coronaviruses use to bind to the membrane of the human or animal cells that they infect.

Ending the rumors about SARS-CoV-2
More specifically, the authors of the new research looked at two components of spike proteins: the receptor-binding domain (RBD), which latches onto healthy host cells, and the cleavage site, which opens up the virus and allows it to penetrate the host cell.

To bind to human cells, spike proteins need a receptor on human cells called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2).

The scientists found that the receptor-binding domain of the spike protein had evolved to target ACE2 so effectively that it could only have been the result of natural selection and not of genetic engineering.

Furthermore, the molecular structure of the backbone of SARS-CoV-2 supported this finding. If scientists had engineered the new coronavirus purposely as a pathogen, explain the researchers, the starting point would likely have been the backbone of another virus in the coronavirus family.

However, the backbone of SARS-CoV-2 was very different than those of other coronaviruses and was most similar to related viruses in bats and pangolins.

“These two features of the virus — the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone — rule out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2,” explains Andersen.

“By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes.”

– Kristian Andersen

Josie Golding, Ph.D., who is the epidemics lead at the Wellcome Trust, a research charity based in London, United Kingdom, did not participate in the study but comments on its significance.

She says the findings are “crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19.”

“[The authors] conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,” Goulding adds, “ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering.”

Two possible origin scenarios
Furthermore, the researchers explain that their results have implications for two possible scenarios that could explain how the virus originated.

One scenario, they say, is that the virus evolved to become pathogenic in an animal and then jumped to humans. This would be in line with how other coronaviruses, such as SARS and MERS, originated.

For the new coronavirus, the authors suggest that bats are the most likely carrier, as SARS-CoV-2 is very similar to a bat coronavirus. Other experts have supported this theory, too.

Andersen and colleagues also suggest that it is likely that another intermediate animal host transmitted the virus from bats to humans.

This hypothesis also explains why the virus spread so fast — it suggests that the two distinctive features of SARS-CoV-2’s spike proteins would have made it able to wreak havoc before entering humans.

In this scenario, the probability of future outbreaks is higher, as the pathogenic strain of the virus would still be circulating in animals and could jump back into humans at any point.

In the second scenario, the virus is nonpathogenic in animals but jumped into humans and evolved into a disease-causing strain there. This scenario supports the theory that places pangolins at the start of the outbreak because the spike proteins of some coronaviruses from pangolins have a very similar RBD structure to that of SARS-CoV-2.

However, the authors caution that it is impossible to tell which scenario is more likely to be true at this point.

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My best friend wouldn't lie to me. The experts in the field know that they are the last line of defense in battles such as these, and that we will only succeed if truth and facts trump fear and mistrust. Please remember that epidemiologists from every country are working on this- sharing data results, latest advances, etc. They want us to know what's up... and that means giving out good info that's verifiable.

Sorry, my friend. I think you should find a couple people with credentials and ask them yourself. Folks like My Boy. From what I know of your background, I'm certain you know folks who know folks. You could prob do it with a couple phone calls. Don't take my word for it- find out for yourself.

But this belief of yours that this is an act of war is not only unverified with facts, it's also irresponsible and dangerous.
Bro- you're ready to unlock the Nuclear Football based on nothing at all. Look at yourself.

I'm sorry to see this in you, man. It's a real surprise, after almost 20 years.


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That is a strong post and said w/proper respect and class.

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While I don't disagree with your post in any way, for the most part, I distinctly remember a few months ago people talking about the trade war with China (or, Gina, for the anti trump people) and me replying that, after having spoken with a gentleman that was part of the U.S. Ag. commission - a guy that has, on behalf of the u.s., attended meetings in China, Australia, and numerous countries in S. America.............and hearing his response to the trade war (he was all for it, and as a farmer himself, he knew the short term would hurt him, and all farmers), and hearing his reasoning for it, it made sense to me.

But when I tried to convey that on here, I was told I don't know anything. Because it was in support of trump. (and then china caved, and was buying OUR beans from Brazil, and then china started buying our beans again.......not on the same level as before, but they caved.......)

I am not a wealthy person - especially now. But, I do have friends on the other side. Friends with 'ins', and friends with power, so to speak.

Sometimes, people don't listen to those that know. I'll toss out my daughter as a prime example.

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Similar scenarios, for sure.

Good luck with your daughter wink


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Well, it only took the governor to convince her.

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I still think China let this out. Screw them. Nuke them tonight with a big smile on the face.


You've been chanting this mantra for weeks now. You need to stop.

My best friend of over 40 years is a retired Air Force Colonel. Hi new gig post service: he's the head of pharmacy at the Dayton VA. He's spent a lifetime in science and medicine. Has advanced study in infectious diseases and epidemiology. Has sat on numerous panels and has testified as an expert on Captiol Hill.

I asked him outright, last week, when this thing began ravaging these shores. His response: "Science isn't good enough to engineer something this efficient. Science will be just barely good enough to catch up with it. And then, another one will come along."

Then, I find this, earlier today:

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The new coronavirus was not genetically engineered, study shows
New research finds that SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19, is the result of the natural process of evolution rather than a product of laboratory engineering.

The new study appears in the journal Nature Medicine, and Kristian Andersen, Ph.D., an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, CA, is the first and corresponding author on the paper.

Andersen and colleagues set out to see what they could deduce about the origin of the new coronavirus from analyzing the genomic data available.

As the authors mention in their paper, since the start of the COVID-19 outbreak, researchers have been trying to grapple with the origins of the virus that caused it.

Initially, experts linked the virus to the seafood market in Wuhan, China, while later study papers suggested that the virus may have spread to humans from illegally trafficked mammals called pangolins.

To evaluate the origin of the new virus, the researchers compared the “backbone” of SARS-CoV-2 with that of other viruses that commonly affect bats and pangolins.

They did so using the genetic sequencing data that Chinese scientists made available.

Andersen and his team also looked at spike proteins — features that coronaviruses use to bind to the membrane of the human or animal cells that they infect.

Ending the rumors about SARS-CoV-2
More specifically, the authors of the new research looked at two components of spike proteins: the receptor-binding domain (RBD), which latches onto healthy host cells, and the cleavage site, which opens up the virus and allows it to penetrate the host cell.

To bind to human cells, spike proteins need a receptor on human cells called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2).

The scientists found that the receptor-binding domain of the spike protein had evolved to target ACE2 so effectively that it could only have been the result of natural selection and not of genetic engineering.

Furthermore, the molecular structure of the backbone of SARS-CoV-2 supported this finding. If scientists had engineered the new coronavirus purposely as a pathogen, explain the researchers, the starting point would likely have been the backbone of another virus in the coronavirus family.

However, the backbone of SARS-CoV-2 was very different than those of other coronaviruses and was most similar to related viruses in bats and pangolins.

“These two features of the virus — the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone — rule out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2,” explains Andersen.

“By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes.”

– Kristian Andersen

Josie Golding, Ph.D., who is the epidemics lead at the Wellcome Trust, a research charity based in London, United Kingdom, did not participate in the study but comments on its significance.

She says the findings are “crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19.”

“[The authors] conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,” Goulding adds, “ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering.”

Two possible origin scenarios
Furthermore, the researchers explain that their results have implications for two possible scenarios that could explain how the virus originated.

One scenario, they say, is that the virus evolved to become pathogenic in an animal and then jumped to humans. This would be in line with how other coronaviruses, such as SARS and MERS, originated.

For the new coronavirus, the authors suggest that bats are the most likely carrier, as SARS-CoV-2 is very similar to a bat coronavirus. Other experts have supported this theory, too.

Andersen and colleagues also suggest that it is likely that another intermediate animal host transmitted the virus from bats to humans.

This hypothesis also explains why the virus spread so fast — it suggests that the two distinctive features of SARS-CoV-2’s spike proteins would have made it able to wreak havoc before entering humans.

In this scenario, the probability of future outbreaks is higher, as the pathogenic strain of the virus would still be circulating in animals and could jump back into humans at any point.

In the second scenario, the virus is nonpathogenic in animals but jumped into humans and evolved into a disease-causing strain there. This scenario supports the theory that places pangolins at the start of the outbreak because the spike proteins of some coronaviruses from pangolins have a very similar RBD structure to that of SARS-CoV-2.

However, the authors caution that it is impossible to tell which scenario is more likely to be true at this point.

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My best friend wouldn't lie to me. The experts in the field know that they are the last line of defense in battles such as these, and that we will only succeed if truth and facts trump fear and mistrust. Please remember that epidemiologists from every country are working on this- sharing data results, latest advances, etc. They want us to know what's up... and that means giving out good info that's verifiable.

Sorry, my friend. I think you should find a couple people with credentials and ask them yourself. Folks like My Boy. From what I know of your background, I'm certain you know folks who know folks. You could prob do it with a couple phone calls. Don't take my word for it- find out for yourself.

But this belief of yours that this is an act of war is not only unverified with facts, it's also irresponsible and dangerous.
Bro- you're ready to unlock the Nuclear Football based on nothing at all. Look at yourself.

I'm sorry to see this in you, man. It's a real surprise, after almost 20 years.




I heard an interview with a research scientist on NPR last week and he was discussing about all of the stuff that we humans do-Keep exotic pets in other countries that we shouldn't have, eat exotic things that we shouldn't, go into areas that have not been had people live there in many hundreds of years so we have no immunity to to bites, stings, parasites, etc.
He also said that we didn't have immunity when we first started domesticated animals like cows a few hundreds of years ago. And we got sick because we didn't have immunity built up.

He also said that the scientists have been working with and tried to stop some of the wild life markets in China. They are gross, have all kinds of animals in cages on top of each other, they are right around people, they owners of some of the stands in the markets are not the most sanitary and they have their kids there after school doing homework in with all kinds of these animals.
He also was asked about Covid 19-he said that this is going to be a rough one-worse than some of the other virus's of the past couple decades and when he was asked if there were other varying types of viruses like Covid 19, he answered yes, probably about 500 of them and we are going to have one roll around every decade or two

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Wonder what the issues are. I haven’t seen a clear direction from anyone in government on how this is all going down.

What a cluster.


Supposedly, the dems were not happy with the republican plan to originally it was to give the families two rounds of checks, then they cut it back to one. The republican plan also had big money for business and industry and the dems wanted more for enhanced unemployment insurance, medicare monies, more help for small business to retain employees, more for healthcare workers and testing. They also did not want any money going to businesses to be used to buy back stock and did not want any money going to a business that would then terminate their employees.

So the dems in the house are supposed to hatch their own plan and introduce it.

they senate was 13 votes short tonight-not close

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I think i found it

The White House on Sunday reportedly refused to back down from its demand that a coronavirus relief package include $500 billion, which would be provided to corporations at the discretion of Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin.

PBS News Hour correspondent Meredith Lee reported on Sunday that the White House was standing firm on the proposal after some Democrats called it a “slush fund.”


A Democratic source told Igor Bobic that the bill would permit the Treasury secretary to withhold the names of corporate recipients for up to six months.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
future markets opened at 6pm.

by 6:08pm, it hit its limit breaker at 5%.

tomorrow will be another bloodbath.



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Originally Posted By: northlima dawg
Swish,
A Democratic source told Igor Bobic that the bill would permit the Treasury secretary to withhold the names of corporate recipients for up to six months.


There is absolutely no reason for this - except to allow shady backroom deals.


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That’s freaking despicable.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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Originally Posted By: northlima dawg
Swish,
A Democratic source told Igor Bobic that the bill would permit the Treasury secretary to withhold the names of corporate recipients for up to six months.


There is absolutely no reason for this - except to allow shady backroom deals.
Originally Posted By: Swish
That’s freaking despicable.


This is supposedly going to be in the form of zero interest loans. Meanwhile, all talk of checks directly to the working class has ended as the GOP is concerned people that don't need the money might get a check. smfh


Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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I’m glad the Dems stood up to this corporate monsters and their ghouls.

God the GOP will bend over backward for these trash ass corporations but won’t do the same for individual Americans.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
future markets opened at 6pm.

by 6:08pm, it hit its limit breaker at 5%.

tomorrow will be another bloodbath.



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What did you do-short some stock?

You might want to cut that toe off

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Originally Posted By: Swish
I’m glad the Dems stood up to this corporate monsters and their ghouls.

God the GOP will bend over backward for these trash ass corporations but won’t do the same for individual Americans.



You guys are funny with your one sided bias.

Why would you dilute the funds going to people who need it to survive in favor of giving money to those who are still working?

Why are you so against supporting businesses to survive?
When this is over, people will need a still open company to return to for work.

The NYTimes said it right, the Democrats are playing with fire.

If these dopes in Washington don't stop playing politics with our lives, we will be doomed and our economy will slip into another Great Depression.

Perhaps that is what it will take for them to finally achieve their stated goal of "Get Trump".

Shame!

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Those trash ass corporations should’ve saved instead of buying back stocks.

They won’t pay workers a living wage but want money from those same workers to bail them out over trash financial decisions.

2008 all over again.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Those trash ass corporations should’ve saved instead of buying back stocks.

They won’t pay workers a living wage but want money from those same workers to bail them out over trash financial decisions.

2008 all over again.


You mean 1929 all over again.

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