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That's a big negative.


A post like this should be deleted for lies.

Go ahead and keep drinking the kool-aid. Mayfield showed up to camp fat and out of shape with a beer gut. Its obvious how he spent his offseason. Don't give me that crap about the weight room he looked the same everywhere except the gut he got by drinking beers. the kid thought he had things figured out, he had no idea.

I really don't get this whole "cult" like following around Mayfield. Its frightening actually the lengths people will go to make excuses for him.

I said he played well in 2018, I gave him many props for how he played, but don't delude ourselves...The kid showed up fat to TC, was obvious he wasn't prepared, was crystal clear to anyone that he hadn't spent the time studying that he needed to do.

Lets see what he does this year, but color me unoptimistic...lazy guys usually just don't change their ways...he thinks he has made it in the big time and Mayfield puts me in the mind of a guy who just satisfied to be on TV and get a check...we will see this year if im wrong.

He does need to improve from his awful season, and I think he will. I think coaching will help him improve, but he's also shown before that he can grind and improve his game. He's done it (to a limited extent) in both his NFL seasons so far.

I feel like I'm being Baker's White Knight, and I hate that. His play sucked last year and a lot of that is on him, but it just irks me when the criticism goes from constructive (if harsh) to illogical.

Did he bulk up because he's lazy or because he expected to get abused throwing more deep passes after trading away Zeitler and not improving at OT? Despite taking a pounding, especially early in the year, he started all 16 games. How many QBs can we say that about here recently?

The other thing is he can't study for other people. It takes all 11 on the field. Plus, the coaches. You can't study everything, all the time. You mainly study what your playcaller tells you is in the plan. If you had an exam and it covered topics you hadn't covered recently and didn't expect to be on it, you probably wouldn't do very well.

We need to smooth out the whole operation.

Baker needs to do better. It's true. How much of the regression was a product of the environment is what we're going to find out.

See what I am talking about? LOL

I think that's how a lot of people feel. There is not a single poster anywhere that said Baker played well last year. There isn't a single poster anywhere that said Baker doesn't need to improve. But there are certainly a small number of posters who hated the pick and have rushed to pronounce him a bust and a bum and lazy and fat and now we have a baseless claim that the walk-on who won the Heisman is heartless. Yeah it gets old. Baker owns plenty of his own bad play. There's also many other factors that contributed. It's not hard.

"Bulk up"? He gained weight but bulked up? Come on man.....

Go ahead and keep drinking the kool-aid. Mayfield showed up to camp fat and out of shape with a beer gut. Its obvious how he spent his offseason. Don't give me that crap about the weight room he looked the same everywhere except the gut he got by drinking beers. the kid thought he had things figured out, he had no idea.

I really don't get this whole "cult" like following around Mayfield. Its frightening actually the lengths people will go to make excuses for him.

I said he played well in 2018, I gave him many props for how he played, but don't delude ourselves...The kid showed up fat to TC, was obvious he wasn't prepared, was crystal clear to anyone that he hadn't spent the time studying that he needed to do.

Lets see what he does this year, but color me unoptimistic...lazy guys usually just don't change their ways...he thinks he has made it in the big time and Mayfield puts me in the mind of a guy who just satisfied to be on TV and get a check...we will see this year if im wrong.

Last i recall, you throw with your arms and legs. Not sure stomach comes into play that much - core perhaps.

I think it is good that you defend him. You do so w/turning it into a personality contest. Debate is a good thing.

It was really nice watching all his commercials while he stunk on the field....exactly what you want out of your QB. I get NFL isn't long career for most, but come on- he had his priorities wrong. Early success gave him that Johnny "Money" feel, I'm going to tear this league up....WRONG...hope he turns over a new leaf.....GO Browns!!!!

lazy guys

Mayfield puts me in the mind of a guy who just satisfied to be on TV and get a check

This was a great signing for one simple reason. He knows the new offense. Baker doesn't. Baker has never played in the West Coast Offense let alone this particular variety of it. Considering there probably won't be any camp or preseason games I wouldn't be surprised if CK started the first couple games if there even is a season this year. Truthfully, I will be surprised if there is any football at all in 2020. But if there is it will be a shortened season with very little run-up to the first game. It will be ugly and out of control and teams that have been together a while will have an even bigger advantage than usual.

Criticizing Baker is of course allowed. It's the lies I think people don't like. And you haven't been very objective with your opinions of Baker, have you?

Remember the "Baker Mayfield, The Person" thread you started? Yikes.

We should stop patronizing and protecting some special players. Baker should win the starting job like everybody else. If he can't beat CK in camp he shouldn't start.

Worst thing we can do is go back to Tim Couch times. IMHO Baker lost the starting job with his play last year, its only up to him to win it back.