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Everyone behind the podium at the White House press briefing is standing less than 4 feet apart from the person next to them.This setting a bad example by demonstration, to the American people.

j/c

First Cuyahoga coronavirus death among 247 confirmed Ohio cases and 3 deaths: Gov. Mike DeWine’s Saturday, March 21 briefing

Coronavirus cases in Ohio increased by 78 people in 24 hours, along with 2 more deaths, including the first one in Cuyahoga County.

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/03/2...t9K2ZoEA84G37aM

An article comparing USA and South Korea response to testing

Murder suspect released.....coronavirus concerns.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/03/17/m...tremely-unique/

Murder suspect released from Cuyahoga County Jail because of coronavirus concerns; prosecutors say case is extremely unique
Northeast Ohio inmates released amid coronavirus concerns, so what's next?

By Hannah Catlett | March 17, 2020 at 6:20 PM EDT - Updated March 17 at 11:19 PM
CLEVELAND, Ohio (WOIO) - In a case prosecutors say is extremely unique, a murder suspect was allowed to bond out of the Cuyahoga County Jail, because of concerns over the coronavirus.

This weekend, 19 News told you when officials started to speed up court cases in order to decrease the jail population.

A viewer contacted 19 News, concerned when he heard about the release of the murder suspect.

While the prosecutor’s office doesn’t believe the man is a threat to society now, victim advocates disagree.

Advocates like Bev Warnock is the executive director of the National Organization of Parents of Murdered Children.

“I don’t think it’s fair to the family of the son that has died,” she said. “I think it’s very unfair to them.”

Richard Lundy pleaded guilty to child abuse charges after severely injuring his 4-month-old child nearly 10 years ago.

Right before Lundy was released on probation last year, prosecutors say his son died because of the injuries Lundy inflicted in 2010.

We interviewed prosecutor Jennifer Driscoll when Lundy was re-arrested in December and charged with murder in the case.

“Ultimately, he needs to answer for the homicide he committed,” she said then.

Lundy had been in jail awaiting his new trial, until Saturday.

According to court documents, the 41-year-old was allowed to post a $5,000 bond, because of concerns over the coronavirus spreading to the prisoners.

“This is an effort to try to avoid a crisis within the county jail,” Prosecutor Michael O’Malley said.

Tuesday, Driscoll said even though Lundy is charged with a violent crime, they do not believe he’s a risk to the community.

“Are we thrilled? No. But are we satisfied that the public is kept safe? Yes. And, these circumstances are incredibly different than other circumstances,” she said.

Driscoll says Lundy is on an ankle monitor and living in a half-way house..

He turned himself in in December, so officials don’t see him as a flight risk.

“We know that he is being watched and he is being detained by the parole authority,” she said.

However, to Warnock, it’s still not fair.

“They’re giving him a break, and why should he get a break?” she said. “He can catch the coronavirus in the half way house just as much as in prison.”

Lundy’s trial is scheduled for July. If convicted, he could face a life sentence.

Driscoll recognizes that’s why it could be difficult for a family member to know he’s out of jail right now.

“I completely understand why you would be upset,” she said. “It always looks bad when it says ‘murderer set free’ but those aren’t the circumstances.”

Driscoll tells 19 News she doesn’t know of any other high level cases like this where someone was released on unique circumstances.

We are over 300,000 as of now.

Do any of us know people who have been tested yet? Lack of testing, lack of tests and personal proactive equipment is inexcusable. If we infect and drop caregivers it can all spin out of control.

Why ate we making this a media gig daily? I have higher risk family, wife , myself. Straight poop please. Lots of wrong IMO. Japanese business motto: "Don't fix blame; fix problems."

Stay well, dawgs!

I know a few people that have been tested, all negative so far, but there is another that can't get tested, but she is certain she has it and as a flight attendant, it is highly likely.

New York alone is over 11k cases.

A random thought I had... at what point do the total number of new cases each day get "capped" simply due to an inability to keep track?

Some of these numbers are getting insane.

Based upon what we know, when is the US projected to cap, numbers-wise... and get on the other side of the bell curve?

How long until 'herd immunity' takes hold?

Herd immunity kicks in at around 70% of the population being infected.



Madagascar has fallen.
Anyone that played the old Pandemic flash game knows what this means.

Wish my parents and in laws would listen to my offers... I work in a hospital so I have to be out and have offered to buy for them... my mother in law had open heart surgery last year... she's been out every day for the past five Days to go to grocery store or friend's house.... just make sure me sihake my head,,,

I know of a handful.. so far all negative,.. and one who tried but wait was too long

j/c...

I only know 2 people that have been tested, and I work in a hospital (though they finally got my communication issues settled and I'll be working from home starting Tuesday). The count numbers are a totally inaccurate joke.

j/c...

This is based off a study performed by Columbia University. The numbers from the models are staggering. We are months from this even peaking.

We're already trending ahead of where Italy was 18 days in. I cannot believe how much has changed just since Monday. A week feels like a month.

I just hope this is over with soon. I have such a sports withdrawal that I almost watched a cornhole tournament.

Unfortunately, based on the models, this won't even peak until mid-June, July 1.

Yep, if this plays out the way the models are projecting, we will just get through this in time for flu season.

I know it ... looks like this is pushing back further and further

Madascar was an island somewhere obscure in the game "risk", off the edge of anywhere significant.

What does it mean in your context?

I have been out a lot as well, and yes I catch hell from my family too. Of course they have all had their heads in the sand and think this will all be over in a few weeks. I told them all over three weeks ago that this was going to drag on for months. SO I will continue to forage for supplies at stores as I believe this is going to get way worse before it gets better.

From a friend on Facespace _ I have not checked his math, but I trust his capabilities.


Dose of reality: yesterday, 3/21, the US reported more new confirmed coronavirus cases on the day than Italy for the first time since the outbreak.

- Italy’s confirmed cases are doubling every 3.75 days.
- The US’s confirmed cases are doubling every 2.2 days, particularly as testing becomes more available.

Here’s what the near future looks like on that path:
- Mar 24-25 (likely reported on 3/25) Italy will have more confirmed cases than China (at least China’s reported numbers)
- Mar 25-26 the US will have more cases than China
- Mar 27-28 the US will have more cases than any country
- Apr 2-3 the US will have its 1,000,000th confirmed case

The biggest problem with projecting 1,000,000 cases is that we won’t have the resources to test that many people in that short of time. Instead, people will feel the real impact when they are triaged out of life-saving care at the hospital.

If you’re not taking social distancing seriously, it’s pretty much too late and you’re playing the odds that your case will not be serious/fatal.

You couldn't beat the game and wipe out all humans unless your disease too down Madagascar. It was always tough to get because it was remote and quick to shut it's borders.

Yes, it has been known that there are many more lime this out there for a long while. They were immediately found to be scary enough that the UN put out a mandate barring them being used for live gene splice testing.

It depends on if we flatten the curve-it will prolong the curve.

They are also looking at Taiwan and China now to see if they start back up with people getting out and about if there is another wave coming.



NYC mayor is on Meet the Press now;
he thinks it will get worse until probably mid May and they are already crushed and running low on materials.

He is beside himself. And he is drilling the pres for not getting the military involved with their vast resources and not fully enabling the stafford act to get resources.

NYC mayor wants the military to use their vast resources on top of the states using the national guard-why are they still at their bases.
and the mayor wants anyone making medical supplies to go full capacity 24/7

And in real life?

Yep.

Anecdotal: My brother is a CRNA in NY. Nurses and doctors in the state received a letter from Gov. Cuomo asking their willingness to travel to the most critical areas in the state. Hospitalizations are up over 15% for those who have become infected and the mortality rate was over 67% for those that needed to be intubated.

For some of the hardest hit areas, Italy and New York in the US for example, what is the take on why they are so hard hit? Is it the number of elderly, crowded population, other? Or is the expectation that every place will eventually get there?

I figured it was just the large amount of people in a small area in both cases?

I also know the elderly in Italy was a big factor

Every place will eventually get there.

It is simply the fact that it was among us and spreading for too long to prevent that. This is why nobody is attempting to talk about containing it any longer. There is no containing it. There hasn't been for a very long time. This is an inevitability and the only factor of it we can hope to control is the speed with which it happens.

This is why the Ohio Surgeon General, or whatever her title is, Dr. Acton, said the US will be like a hundred separate Wuhans. It will be everywhere like that, but on different timelines, give or take a few weeks in each place.

That only makes sense if it was in those places the longest and that doesn't make any sense at all when looking at the timeline or people would have gotten sick long ago. There has to be other factors. It reached the US about the same time for everyone. Yet is ravaging NY. Why?

So many people so close? (population density) Because it has many travelers/is an international hub city?

So if it's population density, why would every place be expected to be in the same position if other places aren't as population dense? Just takes longer to spread? If that's the case then wouldn't these lockdowns help?

If you haven't had a chance to read or look at this article and the models/study done by Columbia University. It illustrates what can be done and what the spread will look like throught the U.S. using no controls, some controls and extreme controls.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/20/us/coronavirus-model-us-outbreak.html

Thanks Milk. Interesting and informative.

One huge hole in the model, though is it assumes the same measures of control nationwide. That isn't happening today. You still have several states with lenient controls. Unless people are traveling those maps will look a lot more splotchy at each level of control.

But it's still very informative and interesting. Thank you.