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I don't want him. I'd rather draft a rookie and throw them in the fire.

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I'm in the "it depends" category with Trent Williams.

Is he willing to re-structure his contract?

Can we get him for our second third rounder?

Even if we do get him, I still want a tackle at #10 unless Simmons falls.

Williams wants his contract restructured .. He wants more money..

I'd rather go with a first or second round rookie

I wonder what they can even get for him at this point. Jacksonville got a a fifth round pick for Calais Campbell, I wouldn’t expect Washington to get much more than that for Williams. If that’s the price I trade for Williams 100 out of 100 times.

Agree 100% ... GUY is an elite talent. Not sure how ugly his contract is, and i know he had injury concerns (neck?) But given our cap space I'd make him the highest paid LT on a two year deal if i could sign him for a 4th or 5th rnd pick... any high contract that doesnt create dead money if it goes sideways. Hearing Joe Thomas talk about this guy in reverential tones gave me goose bumps.

If they restructure him to a reasonable, NOT the largest LT contract in history kinda deal... AND Washington gives us a 4th rounder to take him, then I'm in.

Otherwise, no thanks. Let's roll with the Draft.

How about trading a 5th for Trent and then drafting Simmons

I could be wrong, but I don't think a 4th or 5th round pick is very feasible. Earlier, I thought they wanted a first round pick and more for him. I understand they won't get that, but a 5th rounder? I don't know...

The downside is he's 32 and didn't even play last year. Is anyone going to get the chance to play this season?

If we can get Trent Williams for a 5th round pick, what he is asking for is almost irrelevant.

Do it, pay him 20m for 3 years, 4? Cut him and eat the cap like the other teams do if his production sags off or we need the cap space.

It's a whole lot easier to find a late round guard than to draft a Trent Williams.


The whole "just draft a guy" and he'll be there for 10 years....a lot easier said than done....we had Greg Robinson on this team.

Why not just sign Jason Peters and save your draft pick, then?

No matter what, you are not getting an extended solution from Trent Williams, you are buying a one year rental.... so, go rent another guy for a year. Finding a guy that is VERY likely to miss a bunch of games during the season isn't that hard to do and there is zero reason to over-pay for that.

Peters is 38 years old, Trent Williams is 31 and was named to 6 straight pro bowls before all this happened. If you're trading for Williams it's to sign him to a 3-5 year deal.

I hear you, I think Peters as a stop gap and rookie could be a solid situation, getting Trent Williams and Jack Conklin, with a defensive focus in the draft makes us a legitimate division contender. Right now we are probably still pretenders.

I'm just skeptical of Williams actually lasting two or even three years.

Joe Thomas played in 10 straight Pro Bowls, and his body was done at age 31.
Trent Williams already hasn't played all 16 games since 2013... there is zero reason to believe he will now. So, why pay through the nose AND give up picks for a guy that has been out of football and will result in you shuffling the line at least a few games during the season?

Not to mention, Trent will likely be released if nobody trades for him.

I agree, Mac. Get him cheaply or trade 4th round tops, maybe. I hire him to be old, part-time injured. I like the draft, especially with Conklin and Bitonio to help a rook. This is a desperate act; not feeling it.

I think you are parroting the reasons why he held out in Arlington. He thought the medical staff had mismanaged him so badly over the years that he literally held out an entire season because of it. I bet a half of a dozen players came out after that staff was fired claiming the same. So I think it isn't nearly that black and white.

Trent Williams grades out as a top 3 tackle leading up to his absence, I want to say 16-19? He was elite.

I understand the skepticism but we could land an elite caliber player, given the success rate on 2nd or 3rd best Offensive tackles in the recent drafts.....I'll take my chances with Williams.

Not that I disagree with you, but the longer this drags out, the more his acquisition price drops.

edit: Hit submit before reading the rest of the thread. I have more to add.

Between his ugly back and forth with Wash. and the strength of the upcoming draft, I think his price will drop. What he and the 'skins want is almost irrelevant. I think he can be had for a song, given his skill.

re: injuries... yes, he's old and has been banged up a bit. But a significant portion of his time being held off the field has been this tumor thing. Yes, it's technically an injury, but not really when we're considering his durability. I think when you ignore the tumor thing, which has been resolved, his durability concerns are minimized to about normal for an aging veteran.


My take is the same... play hardball with the 'skins and pull the trigger if a good deal can be had (I'd say 4th or even 3rd with some positive pick swaps). Also have to make sure that his contract demands are w/in the same ballpark as what we're willing to shell out, at least in terms of # of years. I'm fine paying him top dollar if he gives us that level of performance back.
Draft a LT prospect that has a legit chance to take over in 1-2 years.

If its okay with Bill Callahan, that goes a long way towards getting me onboard for a trade for Williams. I am concerned that he hasn't played a full season since 2013, so I wouldn't want to trade higher than the later 3rd round pick. I'd also try to get Williams to agree to an incentive-laden contract, based on games started. Then I'd go defense at #1, and hope that Simmons or Derrick Brown fall to 10. If they don't fall, I might trade back with someone looking for an OT, QB, or WR, and pick up a later 1st and another 2nd.

J/c

One concern with Williams: he hasn’t played for a long time

a new wrinkle?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...-trent-williams

If he’s released, certainly look into it

Joe Thomas hasn't played for even longer - and even though JT has lost a ton of weight - if we signed either of them now I'd wager a large amount of money either would outperform what we had at LT last year.

They just lost all their leverage.

On the open market what is his value? Certainly not what he is asking for.

What team would be most desperate for a LT at this point?

I read Washington is hoping for a 2nd, but know's they'll receive a compensatory pick next year (3rd rounder likely) if they keep him another year at 12.5m (I think that's the right number).

I'd offer a 4th and conditional 2021 pick based on performance and snap count For example, if he made the pro bowl, it is a 3rd next year and go down from there. As per compensation, 3 years $48m with $10m year 1 roster bonus and $5m roster bonuses for year 2 and 3 - salaries of $7m year 1, $8m year 2, and $13m year 3. That makes it a 1 year $17m deal, a 2 year $30 deal, or 3 year $48 deal. No dead cap money with cutting him at any point because they are roster bonuses and not a signing bonus.

Per spotrac, he's estimated to be worth $15.2m/year in a new deal. This would essentially make him 6th highest paid tackle at $16m/year, about $15k/year behind #5.

It has been made clear to me there is no salvageable relationship between the Washington Redskins and Trent Williams. I’ve spoken to multiple sources from both sides and here’s where it stands:

Williams met with Ron Rivera for about 10-15 minutes a couple weeks ago, and afterwards there was not a feeling between the two that this was going to work.

Trent and his reps noticed the team met with free agent players before meeting with him, which wasn’t a strong first impression of the new regime. Sources says there are still players now on the roster Washington coaches haven't met with. This wasn't intentional per sources

Trent has always respected, liked owner Dan Snyder- there have never been issues. As a former captain, the 7x pro bowler really wants to be able to move on from Washington but still return one day and possibly be part of the ring of honor. He wants the relationship to be healthy

The Redskins shopped Williams leading up to the combine and had interest per sourcs. Days after the combine, the club allowed Williams’ agent to seek a trade partner. Since then Williams’ agency found a team who want to do business.

I’m told Washington tried to negotiate, but believe they can’t just give a player like Trent away for small value in return. From what I learned, Wash believes they have been flexible and this is on Williams’ agency. The agency believes Wash has been inconsistent in their ask.

https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1242894771196178433

Ty,



I hate when people report on things and leave out important information.

I think there is something "off" w/Williams. I know Washington has had a bad culture, but Williams has come off as insincere since the very beginning.

Agreed. And that, show up at the end of the season, then there was something wrong like a cyst on his head or something affecting his ability to wear a helmet. So he got paid (i assume, or he accrued a season on his contract) but he didn't play a game.

Seemed really weird.

If you're gonna refuse to play, then you don't get paid. That seems fair to me.



He's a damn good player, i just get the feeling there's baggage with him

I am not saying I am right, but I think this entire saga boils down to Williams wanting a much bigger contract.

Maybe, but he's certainly not going about it the right away (at least IMO).

We'll see though. Plenty of teams can use help at LT. It's a valuable position.

There are options in this draft though. Might be why his market seems a bit colder than he thought

By what I've read, there are 6 Offensive Tackles with a first round grade. I do not think all will go in the first, but there are enough highly rated Tackles to water down the Free Agent market.

But not all are destined to be tackles, nor even LT's. I've seen mentioned somewhere that Wirfs could be moved inside. From what I've read, there is talent here and I expect that 4 of them will go top 10 or 12...

Browns-Patriots Trade Involving Stephon Gilmore and Greedy Williams
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My first impression of the above just studying the base facts ...NO FREAKING WAY!

Gilmore's cap hit is $18,670,833..2020 will be year 4 of his 5 year contract.

Gilmore is 29...

The Patriots have a cap issue that is solved if the Browns take the trade and the Browns rent another high priced free agent for 2 seasons, if he doesn't get hurt.

I'm guessing the Patriots are going to cut Gilmore if they can't find a sucker to trade for him.

Not a trade the Browns need to take and should not take.

One man a

J/C. I was all in on the possibility of obtaining Trent, based on what I had heard previously about his anger with the medical stuff. I remember Braylon, Joe J and Winslows deal with Staph and how pissed they were. However I don't really believe that's the real deal, I think this thing is purely about money. Trent is a great player but he certainly has missed his share of games and will be 32. I think I will use the #10 pick on one of the young OT's as it is safer and cheaper than trying to factor in all of Trents baggage.

The link didn't work. Could you provide more details?

Greedy/Gilmore article link: https://www.12up.com/posts/browns-patrio...rk-01e49egdtg73

I don't believe analytics would support a one-for-trade of Gilmore and Greedy...

Thanks Thomas.

I didn't click the link. I'm assuming this is a made up trade?

But why would analytics not support this trade?