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Where the wife works, a large grocery store in a very big chain, they have plexiglass barriers between the cashiers and customers.

They still accept cash (for now) but prefer debit/credit cards.

They sanitize the debit machine and conveyor belt after every customer. They have employees at the front entrance: one to stop people and make them wait until a customer leaves.

The second store employee wipes all the carts.

Being on the outer edges of North America and with a small population, we saw the crap hitting the fan in the large populated areas, and got on top of it - if we in fact are on top of it. That’s good, and it’s also good that the police are cracking down on those not social-distancing.. this isn’t something to take lightly.

The number of positives is climbing here but not yet out of control.

Other than a couple butcher shops we don't have any of those. And one of the butcher shops is sketchy as hell.

Good point Vers. I know some local restaurants are attempting take out/delivery still ... but they dont have the capability to make you feel as clean

C'mon man? I say Sketchy, Smetchy!!!

In the 1930's, 40's, 50's my grandparents lived on Ivanhoe off E 152nd street in Cleve. There was a butcher store that my grandfather absolutely swore by. He thought their fresh ground Italian sausage was the best.

After they moved to Wickliffe he always drove down to E 152nd just for the sausage. "The best" in his opinion was worth the weekly 15-20 min drive.

EVEN AFTER THEY SHUT IT DOWN it down in the mid to late 50's when it was found out the butcher shop was so infested with rats that at times they'd fall into the grinder.

"THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT MADE IT SO GOOD"!!! he would blurt out.

Heard that story at least once a year till he passed away in 76.

So I challenge you. Give those butcher shops a chance.

JC

I found out last night that a previous girlfriend is in pretty critical condition with Covid. Had not talked with her in months and haven’t seen her in longer, but I guess she has severe lung issues and not doing well. She’s in her mid 20s

It's all just stats and statistics till you know someone or you know someone that knows someone that, etc, etc.

A quick prayer from here D4.

Prayers on the way for her.

j/c...

GC.
Testing, the restrictions on testing, that you have to be symptomatic:
Taking peoples tempertures to see if they have a fever:

and the back and forth on masks,

are 3 things that to this point could have been addressed differently,
I don't understand the complexity of testing but our state/feds, apparantly wasn't "out in front", not in mass testing.

it is still not allowed until you are referred first, as I understand.

j/c...

RIP Tom and I am praying for his Family ...

I do use the other one for nice steaks a couple times a year but not on the regular. And the sketchy one, well there is just no way in hell I'm eating that.

On a side note, my wife ran to Walmart to grab a couple things today and had to wait in line to get in. She said it almost felt empty customer wise once you got in.

Dang, tough news about Tom Dempsey as well

Boris Johnson hospitalized days after contracting coronavirus.

Off to the hospital for the British Prime Minister.

Honestly at this point I'm kind of put off or sick of hearing about infections or death numbers. I mean I get that someone has to know the numbers for planning and such but okay this number are sick, this number died. What can be done about it? Especially for the dead people, nothing.


I feel most of the actual numbers are pointless to the general population unless to convey the seriousness or effect of the virus. Other than that maybe government officials can do something based on them but they don't really provide anything useful to be done.

I will add this request to my growing list for prayers and requests for prayers.

Hope you are well and all dawgs as well.

Pray up!

Tiger at Bronx Zoo tests positive for COVID-19

NEW YORK (AP) — A tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for the new coronavirus, in what is believed to be the first known infection in an animal in the U.S. or a tiger anywhere, federal officials and the zoo said Sunday.

The 4-year-old Malayan tiger, and six other tigers and lions that have also fallen ill, are believed to have been infected by a zoo employee, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said. The first animal started showing symptoms March 27, and all are expected to recover, said the zoo, which has been closed to the public since March 16.

“We tested the cat out of an abundance of caution" and aim to "contribute to the world’s continuing understanding of this novel coronavirus,” said Dr. Paul Calle, the zoo's chief veterinarian.

The finding raises new questions about transmission of the virus in animals. The USDA says there are no known cases of the virus in U.S. pets or livestock.

“It’s important to assure pet owners and animal owners that at this time there isn’t any evidence that they can spread the virus,” said Dr. Jane Rooney, a veterinarian and a USDA official.

The coronavirus outbreaks around the world are driven by person-to-person transmission, experts say.

There have been reports of a small number of pets outside the United States becoming infected after close contact with contagious people, including a Hong Kong dog that tested positive for a low level of the pathogen in February and early March. Hong Kong agriculture authorities concluded that pet dogs and cats couldn’t pass the virus to human beings but could test positive if exposed by their owners.

Some researchers have been trying to understand the susceptibility of different animal species to the virus, and to determine how it spreads among animals, according to the Paris-based World Organization for Animal Health.

For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as a fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia, and can be fatal.

https://www.10tv.com/article/tiger-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-covid-19-2020-apr

I was under the assumption animals were immune ... maybe its a new strand?

The general consensus was that animals cannot get sick, but there have been two dogs and one cat in Hong Kong that have tested positive, too. Though, the dogs were a "weak positive" and it was thought that they simply had the virus on/in them, but not replicating/infecting them.


What I want to know is this: If *We, The People* cannot get tested, why the Hell is a freaking cat getting tested???

Yeah, let's stay ignorant and carry on as if nothing is going on.

We The People, pay to see the cat. The cat brings in more revenue.

One of my employees, who is also da good friend, is in the ER w suspected covid.... she has severe pulmonary fibrosis and as soon as this thing hit she went on quarantine.... praying thwt she's gets through this....last I talked to her (few days ago) she was terrified...

Damn, that sucks

She's not in a good way to fight this. Heck, she's not in a good way to even be in an ER these days

I feel I should update this. Although things looked very dire, the doc has made great improvement. No word yet on the people I know. No illness, but still under quarantine - mandatory.

That's sad, jay.

I kinda understand your view. The numbers have all gotten to the point where they're almost unrelatable now, and there's so many different areas it's nearly impossible to really track them or pay attention on a level that gives any sort of deeper understanding about who/what is developing.

Early on in the outbreak, it was much easier. We could clearly see the spread, we could measure growth at a glance. Now, there's just too much data everywhere. It's partly why I've started to look more at the per capita data.

As an example, the US has the most cases, but we also have five times the population of Italy. When you view it per capita, you see that Italy still has it twice as bad as us, and Spain has almost three times as many. When you look at deaths per capita, both of them have roughly nine times as many deaths.... so, it looks bad if you watch our news, but overall we're still doing pretty well.

That said, there are still many miles to go before this sleeps, and as new regions bloom, the numbers will look much different.

and to give my own update: My buddy that is in ICU improved a bit overnight, last I heard. He was originally on 100% oxygen, but has since been weened down to only 40%, so that is fantastic improvement.

Can I double like this post. ^

Thanks to the Doctors, Nurses, Health care workers and truck drivers and grocery store worers.
Thanks to the million servers all across the land who are faced with sudden unemployment and tons of businesses that may close and not reopen.

They are saying the next 10 days will be the worst days of most of our lives. That would have to be pretty damn bad.

I’m anticipating a very rough week ahead ... gotta get thru mid April IMO

Thanks for the update. More info/data is always better than less, when it comes to stuff like this.

Your story shows us all why social distancing is so crucially important: People who have access to vents stand a good chance of recovery/survival. The more we slow the rate of spread, the better chance we have of treating all who need hospital services.

As you know from my previous posts, my best bro is USAF/ret. Full bird Colonel. Medical Services. His post career career: Head of Pharm Services at the Dayton VA. Dude's a badass who has seen service in Iraq, Afstan, Libya, and countless other far-flung posts. He's seen medical triage outposts in 3rd world countries that would break your heart... all of which, he's always been keen to share with me. We don't hide s# from each other. My life pales in comparison to his.

A conversation I had with him 6 weeks ago was very telling: it was the first time- the very first time I have ever heard him choke on his words, and be forced to catch his breath before continuing.

He said: "This is gonna be bad, Bobby. Really, really bad. It's gonna touch you and me- and everyone we've ever known. The numbers aren't linear... they're exponential. I know things that
I wish I didn't. We can't stop these numbers. We lost that chance in January. Our best bet is to go into lockdown, and flatten the curve."

Yes... in that convo, I got a tutorial about "The Curve" ...1.5 months ahead of news agencies informing the rest of us.

Apparently, this illness can be successfully fought if gear availability can equal need. That's what Mark meant when he talked about 'flattening the curve.'

Is your son OK?
I know that he's a Front Line Soldier.

I hope that your friends are faring well, too.


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As for my son, so far, so good. Spoke with him a few days ago.

Imo it's def to convey the seriousness. However, in reality it's also not that hard to, for the most part, "tune out" if one wanted to.

No doubt the constant bombardment of the news on this is "over the top" but there were times when news and medicine weren't what they were today.

In 1976 at age 19 I thought all the, although minimal compared to today, news on The Swine Flu was rediculous. Then my grandfather died from it.

Below is an article on a time when news, medicine and travel as we know it weren't as prevalent and/or available to the masses. Mine and many of our grandparents went thru it. They most prob would have "yearned" for as much "over the top" info as we have available today.

Not being cocky man. I, as you are.... am just living in a real world.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.

1918 Pandemic Video

Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic. While the 1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and evaluated, the properties that made it so devastating are not well understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.

The 1918 H1N1 flu virus caused the deadliest pandemic of the 20th century. To better understand this deadly virus, an expert group of researchers and virus hunters set out to search for the lost 1918 virus, sequence its genome, recreate the virus in a highly safe and regulated laboratory setting at CDC, and ultimately study its secrets to better prepare for future pandemics.

Patients waiting on lawns to be seen, bodies stacked like firewood.
Could happen, not sure it's happening.

Next 10 days, rapdid expansion of cases for several different geographical areas.

USA made great progress from March 26-April 3, and the desperation peaked on the night of March 29th-30th, imo.

From this point on gotta let it happen. However it turns out.

That's part of the problem with the media hype.

There are some that see media hype, and blow it off as the media being the media, then you have the other side where it is causing some to panic.

Then there's people like me in the middle, I tune in for 1 30 min show to get caught up, then turn it off. It's depressing, it's repetitive, and it sensationalized beyond need.

I may start tuning in only every couple days, it has gotten to the point where they are showing the same clips over and over for days.

I get more facts and straight up answers online anyway.

I have contacts in supply from Cincinnati and Columbus hospitals all reporting in as slow at the moment. Many furloughed as surgeries postponed and specialties are closed. Hopefully Ohios reaction limits our damage. Still early. Stay tough.

I take what news commentators say with a grain of salt no matter the source. However, when it comes to listening to the scientists, governors, the medical professionals on the front lines and infectious disease doctors, I want to hear all I can find.

I remember all too well a time when information like that was impossible to find. I also watch the daily death count closely. The reason for that is I'm hoping to see when the peak is and looking for the curve to stop its increase, flatten out and begin to decline.

I'm quite sure what's right for me certainly isn't right for everyone. But I'm not a panic type person for the most part. I do hold a great deal of compassion for those on the front lines and know many of them.

I grew up in the 70's and know what having little information feels like. I know what it means to have so many questions about something that concerns me left unanswered. That situation no longer exists and I take advantage of it any way I can.