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There is only one LBer from that artical that I would consider with the second selection. Zack Baun, Wisconsin
Height: 6-2
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Why he could fall: Baun fits more as an outside linebacker and played on the edge as a pass rusher at Wisconsin. However, "It's difficult to see any 230-pounder holding up against NFL tackles," Pro Football Focus' Mike Renner wrote.
Why he fits: PFF compared him to former Browns middle linebacker Joe Schobert. NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein compared him to Kyle Van Noy, who signed with Miami after a run with New England. Both suggest Baun could be a flexible NFL linebacker. There are a handful of college edge rushers who could fit more at outside linebacker, based on their size. Alabama’s Anfernee Jennings is another one, but Baun’s success in pass coverage is reason to believe he can successfully make that move.
“In fact, 195 times over the past two seasons Baun dropped into coverage on pass plays,” Renner wrote. “He earned coverage grades of 81.3 (2018) and 86.9 (2019) over that span. While that’s still a small sample size, it meshes with the fluid movement skills we’ve seen from him again and again on tape.”
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If only the Browns could have Joe Schobert.
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I wish we would have re-signed Schobert. I think that not doing so was a big mistake.
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Time will tell, but it's definitely looking that way.
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Yo YTown... off topic but I know you have more knowledge in this area than most... Someone asked in another thread, can't remember which one ~ I looked it up and couldn't find a definitive answer. As far as carry over salary cap: Are there any special rules or "use it or lose it" type scenarios? Besides the fact that you can carry over unused monies, every article I read also stated this: Teams must notify the league of the amount they wish to carry over from one year to the next by 14 days before the new league year.Shouldn't all of it just automatically carry over? Do you have to designate a certain amount before the league year and use it or lose it? Maybe it's simple and I just don't understand... Thanks in advance. 
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If only the Browns could have Joe Schobert.
Our MLB postion is feeling a wee bit eerie today and hard to see the forest through the trees. One might even liken it to our situation @RG last season. Here's to hoping for a better plan this year ... whatsoever that maybe? *L*
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Yo YTown... off topic but I know you have more knowledge in this area than most... Someone asked in another thread, can't remember which one ~ I looked it up and couldn't find a definitive answer. As far as carry over salary cap: Are there any special rules or "use it or lose it" type scenarios? Besides the fact that you can carry over unused monies, every article I read also stated this: Teams must notify the league of the amount they wish to carry over from one year to the next by 14 days before the new league year.Shouldn't all of it just automatically carry over? Do you have to designate a certain amount before the league year and use it or lose it? Maybe it's simple and I just don't understand... Thanks in advance. I really don't know why they have that rule. I can't think of any reason why a team would not carry over their cap space.
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Besides LT, LB is my biggest concern right now (as it is for everyone). I just cant be comfortable knowing Taki Taki and Mack Wilson will be relied upon so heavily
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Well the fact is we don't have Schobert...we will survive. Its not a sky is falling situation losing him no matter how much I liked him he's not a player that will impact us to a major degree.
The move with Schobert is to prepare for some big 2nd year contracts ahead of us. So in our system a lot will be determined by the play of our DL not so much our LBs.
We got 3 coming back for their 2nd season and One way or the other we don't know how much they will bring to the table.
Mack Wilson, Taki Taki and Willie Harvey. I was very impressed with the play of Mack Wilson last year. He has excellent football intelligence and Taki Taki improved as the season went along. 2nd year is usually the biggest improvement in Defensive players. So we will see.
The key to our Defense will be the play of our DL not LBs and in the passing game I doubt we will see more than 2 LBs out there it will be up to the play of our DBs and how much pressure we will create.
Now does that mean I would not like to see a Simmons then Ezra Cleveland in the 2nd round for our team. Of course not but I see us taking that LT in the first and then get us a darn good safety in the 2nd.
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Harvey did show some potential but cannot cover IIRC.
At this point, perhaps the fastest way to improvement: sign Peters and trade up for Simmons
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It was plain stupid letting Joe S. walk, particularly in light of this years draft class, and considering all the holes we need to fill.
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If memory serves, you have to use an average of 95% of your cap space over the 4-year period from 2017-2020 as well as a cumulative 89% cash spending in that window to avoid penalties for non-usage. I suspect the designation of how much a team wishes to carry over may be a tool to manipulate those averages. No promises though 
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If I'm prioritizing positions personally, I address DT and FS before LB.
Some 3rd or 4th round prospects I'd be interested in are Logan Wilson, Wyoming and Willie Gay Jr, Miss St.
Some 6th or 7th round targets would be Marcus Bailey, Purdue. He's hurt otherwise he'd go much earlier. Justin Strnad, Wake or David Woodyard Utah St.
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Trade down and draft Patrick Queen is a great option.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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What if that is CeeDee Lamb or Jerry Jeudy?
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Give me Malik Harrison , stick him at Middle Linebacker and never look back . Watch the kid grow over a couple of seasons and smile into the play-offs .
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I think he would have to remain undrafted still round 3 for the team to have a shot aat him.
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Unfortunately I think your right .. I don't see him getting out of the second round ..
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Unfortunately I think your right .. I don't see him getting out of the second round .. He is considered a two down LB. He will be available in the 3rd round. Maybe even for our second selection @ pick #97
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JC: I think Schobert was an odd man out here strictly based off analytics.
I don't think they ever planned on paying much money to any LB. Not sure if we ever will.
I expect next year's starters to be one of Mack Wilson, a veteran FA not on the team yet, and a rookie picked up in the third round
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.." He is considered a two down LB.. "
Not by me..lol .. I truly believe the kid has a huge up-side if given the position and time to learn..
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j/c...
1. Cal dawg I don't think anyone can make that call of "stupid" or for that matter "great move" at this stage of the game. We know that the move definitely had Cap Space which btw Berry has a good reputation in creating.
So that is why I take the attitude of - Schobert is gone we will definitely get over it.
He was not that great, I loved him and called attention to him way before most but make no mistake about it he is no Kuechly by any means who btw I stated when he was one year away from the draft that he would be the next GREAT MLB in the NFL as they did a special on his LB mate who was fighting Cancer. I was WOWED from day one on seeing him.
My point is not to pat myself on the back (well maybe so...lol) but my point is although its a tough position to evaluate when you see GREAT that is not hard to figure out. Schobert did not have any of that "GREAT" in him. He is solid for sure.
btw I did see a little of that "GREAT" in Mack Wilson. A lot will depend on how much he improves from last year to this.
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Trade down and draft Patrick Queen is a great option. As I said in a other thread, it would not surprise me at all if we trade back and take Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray, then target Ezra Cleveland in round 2.
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Trade down and draft Patrick Queen is a great option. As I said in a other thread, it would not surprise me at all if we trade back and take Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray, then target Ezra Cleveland in round 2. If our top choices are gone before #10, this would be a very reasonable approach. In fact, I would have very little doubt that we've already identified who we'd sit still for and at what point we'd pull the trigger on moving down. I'm also betting that all of the conversations with other GMs are going on now to figure out who might be interested in moving up and in what scenarios and what they might give up to make it happen. I'd also bet that the same calls are happening in regard to us moving up.... should a highly coveted player fall to a certain point, we could move up for him.
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If Thomas and Wirfs are gone I’d do this
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As I said in a other thread, it would not surprise me at all if we trade back and take Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray, then target Ezra Cleveland in round 2. Aren't those guys 1st round players? I don't see it. As i said earlier, we didn't re-sign Joe Schobert. Analytics puts value tags on positions. I'm thinking, expect a LB in the third round (unless we can get great value in round 2).
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Trade down and draft Patrick Queen is a great option. As I said in a other thread, it would not surprise me at all if we trade back and take Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray, then target Ezra Cleveland in round 2. Ezra Cleveland will probably go in the first round. Perhaps we can talk Miami out of the 18th and the 26th selections for our 10th pick ... and take both Queen and Cleveland.  That would be my perfect first day scenario.
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I agree about Ezra Cleveland possibly going 1st round. Once the run on OTs starts, teams are going to start reaching. That's why if we don't trade for T Williams or sign J Peters, we have to take an LT in the first round, IMO.
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I agree ... there’s going to be a run on OTs and someone in the 20s will get him
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I agree about Ezra Cleveland possibly going 1st round. Once the run on OTs starts, teams are going to start reaching. That's why if we don't trade for T Williams or sign J Peters, we have to take an LT in the first round, IMO. Lets unpack this a lttle more... No doubt (non speculative) LT types: --*Thomas/Jones/Becton/*Cleveland ^ first round (*) BPA zone-scheme preference... Yes, Wirfs and Wills will be Drafted in the first round too, perhaps before our selection, and talk of (RT) Isaiah Wilson also, but it's more likely that he'll go in the top of the 2nd round.
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Josh Uche in more of an off the ball LB/Blitzer role is kind of intriguing. Don't think he has the size/length to stick on the edge full time, but he moves pretty well in coverage and had some of those Schobert deep middle drops. His time in the trenches helps his hands and getting off blocks. Instincts are still developing some, but when he sees it in front of him and goes it's pretty impressive. Picking spots to use his quickness off the edge is still very valuable.
I'm not a huge fan of many of the LB prospects. I don't like how most of them (don't) handle contact.
You'd probably have to pick him in the 2nd round, and I'd prefer we address OT and FS before LB. But, if we trade down from 10, an Austin Jackson, Antoine Winfield Jr, Josh Uche start to the draft sounds enticing.
Does have some bust potential, but so does sitting tight and taking one of the touted OTs. Think this could have a bigger boom. I am a sucker for potential, though.
Wills, Delpit, Logan Wilson if we sit tight doesn't sound awful, either.
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It's really an Isaiah Simmons and then...everyone else sort of draft for me.
Though round 3 may be well loaded.
Top 10 lock:
Isaiah Simmons
Top 40 possibles (I don't have a true 1st grade on these guys, but I only ended up with 24 or 25 of those anyway):
Patrick Queen
Kenneth Murray
Zack Baun
The rest of the day 2 possibles:
Willie Gay Jr
Akeem Davis-Gaither
Troy Dye
Jordyn Brooks
Malik Harrison
...maybe Logan Wilson
I think that gets me to 10 off ball guys. Maybe only 9 if you view Baun as a rush backer.
Wouldn't be a bad draft to hold off an see who falls to the 3rd, maybe 4th.
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Wouldn't be a bad draft to hold off an see who falls to the 3rd, maybe 4th.
I expect this to be the case. A LB with one of our 3rd or 4th round picks. I just don't think our FO sees LBers as players to invest heavily in. It's why i don't think we'll take Simmons. It's why we let Schobert go. They want to save their money from D-Line and Secondary
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Is Zack Baun more of an off ball guy or an edge guy in the NFL?
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Is Zack Baun more of an off ball guy or an edge guy in the NFL? He is an (stand up) EDGE guy that probably is a better fit for a 3-4 base. I dont see him as a 4-3 LB, and he is too small to be a DE. Conclusion: good talent, but not a good fit for what we will be looking for in a LB.
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