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Here's the thing, we had a team in place with all the tools needed to put us ahead of the curve.. It was put in place in 2005 by George W. Bush.. It was carried on and even enhanced by Barack H. Obama.

It was dismantled by the Trump Adminstration.

We started this pandemic with no plan in place..We've been playing catch up all along. Still doing so.

I'm not sure there is a way to calculate how many deaths can be attributed to the lack of timely action. Not even sure how to calculate it, but I'm sure it exists.

Trump killed americans by his actions first, then by his inactions

He lied, he told his supporters (who believed him) that he was left with empty shelves... They weren't empty at all.

He just tried to blame it on Obama (as always).

He says he's not responsible and his followers again, believe him.

Donald Trump Has Stake In Hydroxychloroquine Drugmaker: Report

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-tr...5b6e1d10a696280

Who knew?...

trump knew

I bet if we saw his taxes we would see many more examples of how his decisions affect his stock holdings favorably.

Who reported this...Maxine Waters?


"President Donald Trump reportedly owns a stake in a company that produces hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug he has repeatedly touted as a"




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according to rumour or report: he is reportedly living in Australia.

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The New York Times reported Monday.

Reading comprehension is the ability to process text, understand its meaning, and to integrate with what the reader already knows.[1][2] Fundamental skills required in efficient reading comprehension are knowing meaning of words, ability to understand meaning of a word from discourse context, ability to follow organization of passage and to identify antecedents and references in it, ability to draw inferences from a passage about its contents, ability to identify the main thought of a passage, ability to answer questions answered in a passage, ability to recognize the literary devices or propositional structures used in a passage and determine its tone, to understand the situational mood (agents, objects, temporal and spatial reference points, casual and intentional inflections, etc.) conveyed for assertions, questioning, commanding, refraining etc. and finally ability to determine writer's purpose, intent and point of view, and draw inferences about the writer (discourse-semantics).[3][4]

The New York Times pfff. The New York Times also published an op-ed Friday that blamed evangelical Christians for the coronavirus pandemic.

You knocking sources like the times is just priceless. LMAO

Well they are fake news

That would be my guess. Why else would he need to hide his taxes.. What's he afraid of?

I mean I guess he might be hiding the fact that he's not as wealthy as he has said... But I'm not sure you can get that anyway.

No, I'm sticking with he's hiding his investments so as to allow him to make decisions as President that make him wealthy.

Just a guess

Me.
Every time he (stumblingly) mentioned the drug, it sounded like the same sales pitch he always spins. First time: I took note. Second time, third time: "Dude's pushing too hard. There's money behind this. With him, it's always money. "

I knew it was only a matter of time and investigative journalism.

From the New York Times article. Full article in the link

Some associates of Mr. Trump’s have financial interests in the issue. Sanofi’s largest shareholders include Fisher Asset Management, the investment company run by Ken Fisher, a major donor to Republicans, including Mr. Trump. A spokesman for Mr. Fisher declined to comment.

Another investor in both Sanofi and Mylan, another pharmaceutical firm, is Invesco, the fund previously run by Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary. Mr. Ross said in a statement Monday that he “was not aware that Invesco has any investments in companies producing” the drug, “nor do I have any involvement in the decision to explore this as a treatment.”

As of last year, Mr. Trump reported that his three family trusts each had investments in a Dodge & Cox mutual fund, whose largest holding was in Sanofi.

Ashleigh Koss, a Sanofi spokeswoman, said the company no longer sells or distributes Plaquenil in the United States, although it does sell it internationally.

Several generic drugmakers are gearing up to produce hydroxychloroquine pills, including Amneal Pharmaceuticals, whose co-founder Chirag Patel is a member of Trump National Golf Course Bedminster in New Jersey and has golfed with Mr. Trump at least twice since he became president, according to a person who saw them.

Mr. Patel, whose company is based in Bridgewater, N.J., did not respond to a request for comment. Amneal announced last month that it would increase production of the drug and donate millions of pills to New York and other states. Other generic drugmakers are ramping up production, including Mylan and Teva Pharmaceutical Industries.

Roberto Mignone, a Teva board member, reached out to the team of Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, through Nitin Saigal, who used to work for Mr. Mignone and is a friend of Mr. Kushner’s, according to people informed about the discussions.

Mr. Kushner’s team referred him to the White House task force and Mr. Mignone asked for help getting India to ease export restrictions, which have since been relaxed, allowing Teva to bring more pills into the United States. Mr. Mignone, who is also a vice chairman of NYU Langone Health, which is running a clinical study of hydroxychloroquine, confirmed on Monday that he has spoken with the administration about getting more medicine into the country.

Dr. Daniel H. Sterman, the critical care director at NYU Langone Health, said doctors there are using hydroxychloroquine, but data about its effectiveness remained “weak and unsubstantiated” pending the study. “We do not know whether our patients are benefiting from hydroxychloroquine treatment at the present time,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html

Read it yourself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/opini...pgtype=Homepage

Opinion

You see how this works ... it's cyclical ...

-The free press reports on Trump's short comings and highlights the flaws
-Trump attacks the "media" as fake news, enemy of the people
-Trump stooges repeat whatever Trump says
-The free press report facts showing how and why Trump is failing (or in this case profiting) .... and the faithful cry "FAKE NEWS" regardless of facts .... attack the source. Trump's be doing it since he got into office. The Trump faithful don't want to know the truth - they are like the one dude in the Matrix who'd rather just hide from reality.

Navarro memos warning of mass coronavirus death circulated in January
Axios
Jonathan Swan, Margaret Talev
Image from a page of a memo to President Trump on covid-19
Image from a memo to President Trump

In late January, President Trump's economic adviser Peter Navarro warned his White House colleagues the novel coronavirus could take more than half a million American lives and cost close to $6 trillion, according to memos obtained by Axios.

The state of play: By late February, Navarro was even more alarmed, and he warned his colleagues, in another memo, that up to 2 million Americans could die of the virus.

Navarro's grim estimates are set out in two memos — one dated Jan. 29 and addressed to the National Security Council, the other dated Feb. 23 and addressed to the president. The NSC circulated both memos around the White House and multiple agencies.
In the first memo, which the New York Times was first to report on, Navarro makes his case for "an immediate travel ban on China."
The second lays the groundwork for supplemental requests from Congress, with the warning: "This is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill."
Why it matters: The president quickly restricted travel from China, moved to delay re-entry of American travelers who could be infected, and dispatched his team to work with Congress on stimulus funds.

But Trump was far slower to publicly acknowledge the sort of scenarios Navarro had put in writing.
One senior administration official who received Navarro's memos said at the time they were skeptical of his motives and thus his warnings: “The January travel memo struck me as an alarmist attempt to bring attention to Peter’s anti-China agenda while presenting an artificially limited range of policy options."

"The supplemental memo lacked any basis for its projections, which led some staff to worry that it could needlessly rattle markets and may not direct funding where it was truly needed."
Navarro declined to comment for this story.

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon defended Navarro's motives, calling the memos "prophetic" and saying Navarro was forced to put his concerns in writing because "there was total blockage to get these facts in front of the President of the United States."

The "naivete, arrogance and ignorance" of White House advisers who disagreed with Navarro "put the country and the world in jeopardy," Bannon said, adding that Navarro was sidelined from the task force after the memo.
"In this Kafkaesque nightmare, nobody would pay attention to him or the facts."
The Jan. 29 memo set out two stark choices: "Aggressive Containment versus No Containment."

Navarro compared cost estimates for the choices and wrote that the Council of Economic Advisers' estimates for stopping travel from China to the U.S. would be $2.9 billion per month. If the virus turned out to be a pandemic, that travel ban could extend 12 months and cost the U.S. $34.6 billion.
Doing nothing (the "No Containment" option) could range from "zero economic costs" to $5.7 trillion depending on the lethality of the virus.
On the high end, he estimated a scenario in which the coronavirus could kill 543,000 Americans.
The Feb. 23 memo did not advertise its author as did the first, but it was written by Navarro and distributed to numerous officials through the NSC. It was titled as a memorandum to the president via the offices of the national security adviser, chief of staff and COVID-19 task force, and the subject line described it as a request for supplemental appropriation.

It began: "There is an increasing probability of a full-blown COVID-19 pandemic that could infect as many as 100 million Americans, with a loss of life of as many as 1-2 million souls."
He called for an "immediate supplemental appropriation of at least $3 billion" to support efforts at prevention, treatment, inoculation and diagnostics.
He described expected needs for "Personal Protective Equipment" for health care workers and secondary workers in facilities such as elder care and skilled nursing. He estimated that over a four-to-six-month period, "We can expect to need at least a billion face masks, 200,000 Tyvek suits, and 11,000 ventilator circuits, and 25,000 PAPRs (powered air-purifying respirators)."
Navarro clashed this past weekend with Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, over how widely to promote the use of malaria drug hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus.

But the January and February memos reveal a more substantial advocacy on his part, with detailed health and economic calculations meant to grab and hold the president's attention.
Politico first reported in late February about the existence of memos from Navarro to White House officials, while their details had not been published.
Our thought bubble: Axios' health care editor Sam Baker says Navarro's concern about the severity while acknowledging the speculative nature of modeling viruses was largely correct.

"These memos place a very big emphasis on banning travel specifically from China —which, of course, Trump did," Baker says. But by Jan. 29, there were confirmed cases in 15 countries, including the U.S.
"This is not to say they're a bad idea, only that this is why public-health experts don't lean as heavily on travel restrictions. People come into the U.S. from a lot of places, and with two globalized countries, simply stopping people coming in from Wuhan was not bad but it shouldn't be shocking that it was insufficient."
Flashback: "It's going to have a very good ending for us," Trump said of the coronavirus in a speech on Jan. 30.

In a Feb. 24 tweet, he said it was "very much under control" and that the stock market is "starting to look very good to me."
The World Health Organization declared it a pandemic on March 11.
On March 17, the president said, "I've felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-navarro-...048f8382a9.html

But he handled it perfectly. He told us.
No-one could have seen this - he told us.
It was Obama's fault - he told us.

It's all good ... the best it can be ... why you gotta keep bring facts up??? #factsDONOTmatter

In a Feb. 24 tweet, he said it was "very much under control" and that the stock market is "starting to look very good to me."

That was what was important to trump. His greed has killed people.

Trump has removed the independent watchdog who was assigned to oversee the bailout money

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/07...ht-panel-171943

Trump called it a war. If you take issue with that, you need to take it up with him.

888 is in the 2nd or 3rd house on the one way street they all reside on ... OCD is the 1st house and its between Pit and 888 for the 2nd and 3rd houses ...

I thought the folks that said if Trump cured cancer they’d moan it took him to long were coco puffs ... turns out there way more sane than TDS nation .... and that’s a shame ...

I was replying to charger's comment about a foreign attack on our country. Thanks for playing, though.

If it's a war it's clear that the federal government should be leading the charge. Trump said it was a war yet said the federal government was the back up. He can't have it both ways.

You're welcome.

He actually once said "I am a war time president." He always has to make it about himself.

Congrats .. finally a factual post from U ... nice job, I’m proud of u ...

Sorry Arch - until Diam posted his nonsensical post I did't realize you reponded and I missed this.

NY, FL and every other Mayor and Governor owns their actions and is accountable for what they did or did not do to help or make the situation worse.

None of that diminishes or deflects or reduces the LOUDEST voice and the biggest impact that rightfully belongs to the most powerful person in the country. Trump.

Because there are idiots in every walk of life and Mayors and Governors included - does NOT excuse or make it okay for Trump to be the BIGGEST moron on the subject of Coronavirus.

As I have said a few times - funny how folks like you seem to want accountability until it sheds a woeful light on Trump.... and then suddenly Trump is the victim. Sorry that's a crock.

As for why the beaches were packed the week of March 16th for Spring Break ???? Really - you want to ask that question when Trump had spent the previous 2 [edit - MULTIPLE] weeks up to that point downplaying the threat and spread in the USA? Comparing it to regular Flu ???? It wasn't till that week that Trump even acknowledged or commented on "Social Distancing".

So to your point above in yellow... yes it was dumb and can you please tell me you see that it was directly tied to the President's false narrative on the crisis up to that point ???? If the President had followed and learned from other countries experience if he'd have listened to what the smart people who are experts in the field told him .... he would have been shutting things down and relaying the seriousness of what we faced in FEBRUARY. Instead mid March he's changing his story, and by the END of March he's calling it a Pandemic and claiming he knew this long before the experts called it.

Your very own example is the reason Trump deserves to be criticized for his handling of the crisis. And yet, you prefer to deflect, defend, and ignore the factual things Trump has said and done that were flat wrong and some of the worst things he could have done.

j/c...

Good. His comments were totally unprofessional. Good riddance.

As it should be.

No one on that ship respected him. What was he thinking?

Folks like me.

Okay, got it.

Funny how turns into something totally different when certain people read it.

It's also funny.....well, no, it's weird how you follow me around waiting to make your petty snipes at me.

sensitive snowflakes

If you don't like individuals being held accountable then I misjudged you and I apologize. I will file that away and apply it for later posts.

If you do think individuals should be accountable - then you are simply deflecting.

I'll let you clarify as I don't wish to assume

You were wrong. Man up.

I follow all the threads. You're not that important to me. Don't flatter yourself.

You accused someone of something they didn't say. It's really pretty simple.

Check out the post right below yours.

And by the way, you ARE important to me. You show exactly how .......well, never mind.

Pretty much.





Fact Check: Trump Does Not Own Stake in a Hydroxychloroquine Drugmaker


John Carney

7 Apr 2020


Claim: “Donald Trump Has Stake In Hydroxychloroquine Drugmaker: Report”

That’s the headline across a HuffPost story that goes on to claim that “President Donald Trump reportedly owns a stake in a company that produces hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug he has repeatedly touted as a coronavirus treatment even though his experts say there’s no strong evidence it works.”

Verdict: False.

The report cited by the HuffPost is from a New York Times story that said: “Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.”

Trump’s personal financial interest, however, does not include a stake in Sanofi–and the New York Times did not claim it did. Instead, Trump’s financial disclosures show that his three family trusts each had investments in a $10.3 billion Dodge & Cox mutual fund that owns shares in Sanofi, the world’s fifth-largest drugmaker by prescription sales. As of its latest disclosures, those holdings amount to just 3.3 percent of the fund’s holdings.

Trump’s most recent financial disclosure forms lists holdings in the Dodge & Cox International Fund valued between $1,001 and $15,000. That means Trump holds a maximum stake in the mutual funds of $45,000, giving him an indirect interest in Sanofi of $1,485 at the most.

His “financial interest” in Sanofi, which has a market capitalization of nearly $58 billion, could be as low as $99.10.

This was originally reported by independent journalist Mike Cernovich on his website. Cernovich’s figures are lower because it appears he was calculating the interest of a single trust rather than combining the three trusts as we have here.

According to Trump’s financial disclosure, he owns between $1,000 – $15,000 of Dodge & Cox fund.

Dox & Cox’s fund has 2.9% of its money in Sanofi.

Trump owns 2.9% of btw $1,000 – $15,000.

Trump owns $29 to $435 of stock.

lol NYT didn't think anyone would do the math. pic.twitter.com/ThjWpe34ry

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 7, 2020

Plaquenil, the company’s version of the drug, is not material to Sanofi’s stock. It is generically available, not sold in the United States, and has been around since the 1950s.

Trump’s indirect interest in Sanofi pales compared with his indirect interest in practically every company in the world through his much larger holdings in basically every big company in the world through broad market index funds.

Marketwatch reports:

Trump has a small stake in basically every big company you can think of.

In each of the trusts, the biggest fund holding is just the broader SPDR S&P 500 ETF, in which Trump holds between $200,000 and $450,000, according to his financial-disclosure forms.

So one could say Trump has $22,000 or so invested in Microsoft, and nearly as much in Apple

It would be accurate to claim that Trump has an interest in the prosperity of businesses around the globe, especially American companies. But it is inaccurate to claim he has a particular interest in the bottom line of Sanofi. Like most diversified investors, Trump’s stock portfolio benefits when the broad market rises and is not leveraged to the profits of one company.

In any case, it is certainly false to claim he directly owns a stake in the French drugmaker


https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/0...uine-drugmaker/

Texas' coronavirus abortion ban can continue, appeals court rules

Per guidance from Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, any abortion "not medically necessary to preserve the life or health" of the patient must be halted as part of the state's directive suspending "non-essential" medical procedures amid the coronavirus pandemic.

More lives saved!

Well, that certainly doesn't fit the "I hate Trump" narrative that is so prevalent here.

Hold on - the next thing we'll see is some posters attacking the source.