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Yeah. I don't think we'll be drafting Simmons. I also don't think we'll be trading for Williams. (For a number of reasons)




We didn't re-sign Schobert. We cut Kirksey. With no guarantee for Simmons, it sort of shows our team's priorities in terms of LB.

I don't see us trading up. I think if we were going to get Williams, we probably would have by now (that or we have something secure in the case that someone we want that isn't a LT is there at 10). And it's doubtful that Simmons will even be there.


Even if he is, we need to cover the LT position. Financially, it makes sense for us to pick up a LT in the draft. I don't think they're going to want to designate more money to the O-Line with the age that we're invested in it. Doesn't fit the spreadsheet.

Just like signing Clowney for any set of time over a year. Doesn't fit the plan. Garrett has to be re-signed to a mega deal, and they will want a rookie contract alongside him.

What's to stop another team that needs a QB to trade up in front of them? If teams need/wants QB they stay where they are and pick them.



Once he signs his tender. Also, the Chargers just signed Austin Ekeler to an extension. My bet is that they won't want to sign Kareem Hunt to an extension. If they don't wan to sign him then he has little value on a one year deal.

If a team values Simmons as only a linebacker then they are doing things wrong.



The cap will not be a problem. We have over $40,203,974 in cap space. If Clowney was signed Vernon would be released so we would lose probably about $5 million in cap space for 2020. In future years the cap is going to have a huge spike because of the new TV deal. There are rumors that the cap will go up about $40 million as soon as next season.

Carolina (7) has Bridgewater, Cards (8) have Murray, and Jax (9) has Foles and Minshew and need serious help on the Oline and Dline.

Right. What's to stop a team like the Raiders or Buccaneers or Patriots or whoever from trading in front of the Chargers if they think they are going to take a QB?

The bottomline is this -- if there is a QB you like on the board and you need a QB you take the QB. You don't trade down. You don't say, "We really like this QB, let's grab this extra third round pick and hope he is there after three more picks."

The guy has to play a position. He has to learn a position. What position do you see him playing?



As the cap goes up, so will everyone's contracts. The way i see it, we have potentially 3 very high costing deals. Baker, Myles, and Denzel. Those three will have to be paid. Their contract will reflect whatever the future cap is.

We're preparing for this. That's why we're signing these 1 year deals, hoping to get compensation picks. I don't expect us trading away draft assets this year (or next), only acquiring. We will not be active in FA next year

j/c:

This thread got crazy. LOL

I don't even want to get into the possible scenarios, but Simmons is not just a LBer.

I liked your first post about Simmons. I was talking about all the trades and who will draft whom posts. Yours was good and I tend to agree. Hell, that is why I started the thread. The dude can ball.

One word of caution. I don't think he gets off of blocks very well. Thus, he might not be a good run defender in traffic. He will be good in the open field, but not when it is real congested.

I'd move the dude all over the place and not ask him to be a big-time run defender w/set responsibilities. But, that's just me.

He can do things beyond a LB, but he still has to have a position.

Like it or not, he’s a rookie. You don’t want to overload him with too much on his plate. The NFL is a big step


And if we change the defense for him, playbook and all, we need to think about who can back him up

Well, we're going to disagree on that one. But, that's cool.

Like I have said several times in this thread. Derwin James is the prototype. Just do what the Chargers do with him and then build on it because Simmons is better.



I don't think the cap sets the market, other players' contracts do. I believe the QB market is going to be set by Patrick Mahomes and everyone is waiting on him.



I agree with this.

I don't think James is the same player as Simmons. He is quite a bit smaller. He is more of a true safety.

Both are similar in that they are athletic and versatile, but their strengths are different.

I would say that Simmons is rather unique. He is a cross between a guy like James and an Urlacher or a Tremane Edmunds.

We have to hit on draft picks and player development in order to hit next year's FA with less holes than we did this year. The 1-year deals do their job as long as you don't have to do more 1-year deals to fill the whole from the last 1-year deal.

I kind of worry Simmons is just a more creatively used Obi Melifonwu with more publicity. His performance on the whiteboard/in interviews will be (should be?) big with him. It's easy to get caught up in the athletic measurables. The supremely gifted guys might be the ones that need dug into the most.

The idea of Simmons is tantalizing. Doing the homework and having a plan will be paramount in the idea being realized.

What is he? How does he fit our scheme? What is our scheme?

Counting on talent and assuming things will work out is what people thought would work with Erving and the Nevada OL guy whose name I already forget.

Jc...Simmons is a freak athlete, he reminds me a lot of Boss Bailey when he was coming out of UGA...Minus the injuries, and obviously more versatile than Boss ever was.

I ask because I don't know. Not trying to troll...

I wonder if he reminds anyone of Aaron Curry. That "can't miss" LB that Seattle (?) drafted right in front of us that was the darling of that draft. He busted pretty hard.

Significantly better than Curry. Completely different athlete. Reminds me of Sean Taylor. Long, lean, strong, and fast.

No worries, I didn't take it the wrong way...After all, its all a projection anyways. I say Boss Bailey, as I can't remember a top LB who was 6'3 almost 240lbs and that could run a 4.42 (Boss's speed if I remember correctly) Boss was a projected top 15 pick that year, and dropped to the top of round 2 (Not saying Simmons will by any means, Boss had medical issues) Simmons has super elite skills, and can play multiple positions...something Boss couldn't do. Though I wonder if he could be a tad overhyped, but that happens often...Then again his testing numbers were at levels that are rarely seen for a LB. I surely won't be mad if he selected him, providing he falls to us.

I remember Aaron Curry...And I believe he was never able to play at his level once tearing his knee badly...Showed promise, but I remember he was considered a safe pick as well. Oddly and sadly, those rare instances and occurrences can happen to anyone...even the safe picks.

Did a little research and Curry's knee injury happened after Seattle let him go (so after he "busted").

Fun fact: Eric Barton (lb that played for the Browns during the Mangini years) is Curry's brother.

I'm going for one of the tackles, but I definitely agree. The Giants will give us a hint as to where this draft is going to go

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/

Check this one out.. bears to the point.. 2 of 3 have GMen taking Wills the 3rd has them taking Simmons.

Something tells me that's accurate percentages. And all 3 have us taking Andrew Thomas

I guess we'll have to see.

I'm not sure any of these guys know that well. No one is even in their team facilities. I bet reporters are struggling to reach out to their sources like they used to. Easier for teams to give out info they want to give out and keep a lid on what they want to keep a lid on

That would be a dream come true for King John.. remember how little came out of Berea during his reign..

I remember that and I loved it - it was like we were a professionally run outfit once again.

This is true. Seemed like there weren't many leaks with Dorsey.

Jeremiah has Simmons dropping to #10 and the Browns taking him ...

I wish that would be true, but I kinda doubt it, Pastor.

I think the Browns are in a really wonderful situation with this draft.

There is enough top tier talent that is going to fall to the Browns at 10. Even with only a couple of QB's going (Burrow & Tua) - we are extremely likely to have Thomas, Kinlaw or Simmons fall to us. The Browns brass may even prefer Wills or Wirfs ... Simmons is absolutely a long shot to slide, but there is definitely a chance.

That gives us the chance to land a potential plug and play starter at 10.

There are also a number of excellent players that we could potentially trade back for into the late teens and early 20's and who would be great pick ups for us: Delpit, McKinney and Patrick.

In round 2 there are guys like Davis, Muti, Winfield ... and depending how they climb or who we take in Round 1 - Becton/Cleveland might be options at OT.

I really think we have the chance to - without drafting for need - fill holes with excellent talent in rounds 1 and 2. And depending on a player someone covets falling, we have enough quality options to make something work in our favor.

Simmons will be off the board at pick 3 or 4.

Should we file this under an "Act of God"? I have trouble with it; this seems like an answered prayer or at the least well beyond wishful thinking, hopes and dreams. I might surrender a bit of the future for Simmons, especially if he can help in a variety of positions/situations. Speed kills. I like his speed in our division.

Him, a tackle, a LB. We have done well in FA. I am not frantic too round up a bunch later round picks. Hopefully we can impact our starters. Simmons may be a pricey bargain.

Simmons is much more than just a Will LBer.

It will be interesting to follow how whomsoever drafts him ... utilizes him.

I would move him all over the field. Edge rusher, Cover the flat WLBer. Cover 2 safety. Cover 3 safety. Mirror mobile QBs. Inside blitzes from all 3 LBer spots.

Lining him up at one position would be a huge mistake.

I agree, ... And I think that it will naturally be a process of adding more wrinkles as he gains more experience (if) he goes to the right team.

Which brings up a question regarding the Giants as a possible landing spot.

And the question is; would NY be a good fit for Simmons with the 4th selection?

I don't know enough anout their team to know the answer, but I think that it's fair to say that thay haven't always done so in the past.