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If they’re a running back? Yes.

Don't pay RB's! Draft, rinse, repeat.

Interesting concept ...

He is right Diam ... this is not the League today that we grew up to.

But the thing with McCaffrey is the % of their offense that he is responsible for, both rushing and receiving and he is probably their best receiver, so I can see why they wanted to sign him to a lucrative long term Contract.

Like I said earlier.........you are twisting things. Diam talked about it on the locked thread and you were the one who would not let it go and brought it to this thread.

And you had the gall to actually say this:



Of course, the board police let that one go.

We got hit hard, too. Lost power at 5:45. Didn't get it back until a bit after 3:30. Some of our shutters blew off and some new landscaping I put in during the last two weeks took a bad hit.

Agreed. If there were a running back to pay it would be Christian McCaffrey because he does so much. The downside is that once his production drops at running back you are basically paying top of the market for a slot receiver.

I am not saying who is right or wrong.

I will say that while a theory might be perceived to be "right" in the present, that theory or belief doesn't always stand the test of time.

There was a time when people believed black QBs were not smart enough to play the position. They believed they lacked the necessary leadership skills. Those thoughts were regarded as "right" at the time, but have proven to be historically false and ignorant.

My personal opinion is that it isn't wise to let good players walk. I also don't think the cap concerns are anywhere near as important as they used to be and too many folks stress over the cap. I am not asking for them to change their opinion or saying I am "right," but it's my belief and felt the need to say so.

I agree with this. But paying the right players is also important. Running backs get hurt easily and then become distressed assets. The Rams currently have -$6,216,488 in cap space and are paying Todd Gurley $17,250,000 to not play for their team (and Brandin Cooks $21,800,000).

The fact of the matter is that we can't sign Nick Chubb to an extension until after 2020. I would just let him play out his contract and then franchise him until the wheels fall off or someone is willing to trade for him.

Good post.

I can see that happening, which would keep him a Brown for another four years, assuming that you can only franchise tag for two constructive years, unless the new CBA made changes to that rule.

Never mind ... *L*

Don't mislead. YOU are twisting things. He asked a question in one of the final couple posts. This thread is an extension of that thread. It's actually the same thread and same topic.

There was nothing to let go. He asked a question which I answered and then it was twisted into Sashi blah blah blah as you and the others typically do. I mean it's all documented here for all to see.

It is documented for all to see. Now go pound salt. You offer nothing positive to this board.

I don't know if it changed in the new CBA or not but you can tag a player as many times as you want in a row. It just becomes very expensive after two times using it because you have to pay 120% on the previous year's salary.

Okay, but wouldn't McCaffrey's new contract effect the franchise tag above what it has been?

Yup. The franchise tag is the average of the top five salaries at a position. His contract is going to change it quite significantly because it will bump Kenyon Drake's $8,483,000 out of the top five. We won't have to worry until after 2021. By then running backs probably will be even more devalued and we might get Chubb for even cheaper because guys like Ezekiel Elliott, Le'Veon Bell, and David Johnson will have been cut already. The only running back I can see getting a monster contract in the next couple of years is Saquon Barkley.

I doubt Zeke gets cut. He is their offense.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...yer-of-the-year

https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/stor...and-cutting-him

Is there a point in there somewhere?

Todd Gurley was the Rams whole offense. He got hurt and they pretty easily replaced him with an out of shape C.J. Anderson. Then the Rams cut him one year into his huge extension.

If you're a running back it doesn't matter if your a team's "whole offense" you are expendable.

Todd Gurley was not the entire Rams' offense. They had a great passing game w/the likes of Woods, Cupp, Cooks, etc. They had a great OL before they blew it up.

Gurley was a very good back, but here is the caveat. The long-standing knee issue became more and more of a problem.

Zeke does not have that injury history. He is not playing w/WRs and a TE as good as the Rams. He is their offense and is very dependable in all three facets of the position.

He does not have the injury concerns that Gurley did. He ain't going anywhere. I get that some analysts degrade Zeke and pump-up dudes like Gurley, but Zeke is far more dependable and he isn't going anywhere. We could put a wager on it if you like?

In 2019 Dak Prescott nearly threw for 5000 yards, 30 TDs, and 11 INTs. He had the fourth best QBR in the league.

I disagree with your assessment of the Cowboys offense versus the Rams offense. I think the talent levels are similar but the Rams have had much better coaching.

Elliott does not have the injury concerns that Gurley has/had but that doesn't mean much to me at this point. He has had over 300 three out of four years in his career (and would have had over 300 in 2017 if he wasn't suspended). I was talking about Elliott and his contract situation after the 2021 season with regards to the how much franchise tag would cost. My bet is that Elliott will not be under the same contract or with the Cowboys going into the 2022 league year.

I didn’t know about Dak’s numbers last year. They are impressive.

With all the talk about signing a Clowney, negotiating a new deal with Chubb, Mayfield and Garrett's contract coming up, I did the research on the rookie contracts and what they do to the Browns cap.

The Rookie Salary Cap

Okay, now here is where things can get a little tricky. Each team has what is called a "Year One Rookie Compensation Pool." This fancy term refers to a set amount of money that each team must disperse to its rookies. It can be distributed however the team wants, but it must go to rookies.
There is a handy chart from overthecap.com that provides projections for each team's numbers this season.

The chart includes "Total Cap Estimate." This is because the rookie wage scale also places limits on the amount of money that can be spent on the total value of rookie contracts, including incentives, bonuses, etc...
Using one example from the chart, the Cleveland Browns are projected to have $5,820,766 in the Year One Compensation Pool and $31,111,340 for a Total Cap Estimate.

This means that Cleveland would be able to disperse $5,820,766 among their draft picks during this season, but the total amount of money the Browns can spend on these draft picks over four seasons is $31,111,340.

As part of the rookie wage scale, every rookie drafted signs a four-year contract. The value of these contracts obviously varies, but the length does not. The rookie wage scale allows for teams to add a fifth year to the contracts of first-round selections (option year) if they so choose. There are restrictions on this stipulation, however. Let's use Myles Garrett of the Cleveland Browns as our example this time around. Cleveland has to decide on whether or not it is going to keep Garrett after the third year of his contract, but before the start of his fourth season.
If the Browns drag their feet during that time and do not decide on an extension, Garrett can join everyone else from his draft class in free agency after his fourth season.

Should the extension be given, the player's salary depends on their draft position. Teams have until around May 3rd to make that decision.

Garrett, and any other player selected in the top 10, would receive a salary that is the average of the salaries of the top 10 players in the league at his position.

Players selected between picks 11 and 32 would receive a salary that is the average of the third to 25th highest-paid players in the NFL at their respective positions.

If Garrett was going into his option year in 2020, his salary would be 14.36 million for the year. Nojoku would get a salary of 8.815 million in 2020. Since both players are entering year 4 of their contracts, claiming the 5th year option for 2021 will be much more expensive (especially if the Browns sign Clowney to a 18-20 million dollar deal). Both players must be informed of the teams intention to exercise the 5th year option by May 3rd.

As far as Chubb goes in reference to either using a Franchise Tag or Transition Tender on him for 2022 after his rookie deal expires. In 2020 money, Chubb would get $10.278 million under a Franchise Tag and $8.483 under a Transition Tender. However, with McCaffrey signing his 17 million per deal, the cost for Chubb just went up big time.

I don't think it is as cut and dried as don't pay, but I do understand the thinking.

As I have said before, if you have a solid enough line, just about any back is going to give you good results. Carlos Hyde is a good example. He had a career year last year at age 28 or 29.

I am not advocating we don't ink Nick. I am just saying I understand if we don't if the cost goes towards the roof.

The problem backs have is there is a high supply of guys who can get it done. I don't think it worth paying somebody $5-6 mil a year above that you can pay someone else to pick up maybe 15 extra yards a game on average.

I do admit that Nick was special to watch at UGA, and it has carried over to the Browns.

He will be their entire offense if Dak doesn't stop being stupid and ignoring social distancing.

I know what Dak's numbers were. I'm one of the few guys who defends him on here.

You can disagree w/my assessment of the two offenses, but I'll stick to what I said and leave it at that. Nothing wrong w/differences of opinion.

What would dak’s #’s be if it weren’t for Zeke? ... replace Zeke with a CJ Anderson (who did good but wasn’t near as good as Gurley and that HURT THEM) and lets see what happens to Dak’s #’s when the focus of the D shifts ...

I’m not really arguing ... like Peen said I don’t think its near as cut and dry as u wanna make it out to be ...

Caff will be an interesting case study .... IF he stays healthy this will be a GREAT CONTRACT for the Panthers ....

Who are the backs other than Gurley that have signed big contract over the last two years ... throw those into the case study ... only one that comes to mind for me is Bell ... anyone else

I wonder, when was the last time a team that won the Super Bowl had a RB as the focal point of their offense?

Devonta Freeman and David Johnson

*L* .... there not worth what they were paid for cause there not very good ... *L* ...both one season flash in the pans ...

".but as soon as the Browns start winning I think he's going to come to the light."

I think by the time the Browns start winning,we all will have headed toward the light.

I've been hearing that same tired line for years now . Heard it 10 yrs ago. 8 7 6 5 years ago.
I do recall posters on here claiming Cody Kessler
Was a better QB than Dak. Hilarious

Dak Prescott's numbers would be be very similar if Tony Pollard were playing instead of Ezekiel Elliott.

C.J. Anderson averaged 7.0 yards per carry in the games he played in the regular season and 4.1 yards per carry in the playoffs. Todd Gurley averaged 4.9 yards per carry in the regular season and 5.3 in the playoffs.



It depends on what you mean by "big"?

I don’t agree dak’s #’s would be very similar with Tony Pollard as his RB ...

Picking out one stat to determine a players value Is exactly why i came up with my saying ..

How many passes did CJ catch ... ...

It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out ... RB’s don’t have the overall value they used too but i think the real good ones will still demand a pretty penny and they will get paid ...

C.J. Anderson did not catch many passes but that's the point. The team just replaced Gurley in other ways.

I think not very smart teams will pay them still. I don't think our current front office will pay a running back a significant salary. Luckily for Nick Chubb by the time his contract is up we will have an entirely new front office with complete opposite ideals.