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I hope you are right, but they did take a WR w/their very first choice the last time around and they took 4 of them in what was a very weak WR draft class. True, but the one caveat was that we had a poor receiving corps whereas now it is one of our strengths. Taking 4 in a weak draft - why hot as surely one or two may pan out.
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The did interview CeeDee Lamb at the Combine - just saying.
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Picking a WR would blow my mind. There is no way on Earth we go WR at #10. Analytics would not support this, IMO... Unless we trade OBJ .........
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A few weeks ago I guessed we may trade with Minnesota. There’s chatter on twitter they want OBJ for a 2nd and 5th https://mobile.twitter.com/MarcMalusis/status/1250437048143495169
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Please don’t post bad sources.
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This front office is always going to want to trade down so it’s not surprising that we are in rumors about trading down.
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Please don’t post bad sources. Not sure what makes it bad? Does this person have a record or making stuff up? I don't know.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Please don’t post bad sources. Not sure what makes it bad? Does this person have a record or making stuff up? I don't know. Not knowing makes it a bad source.
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This front office is always going to want to trade down so it’s not surprising that we are in rumors about trading down. I think the FO has done enough during this FA to shake the moniker they earned when they tore the team down. Not saying they're smart, just saying they're not following the same playbook.
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This front office is always going to want to trade down so it’s not surprising that we are in rumors about trading down. I think the FO has done enough during this FA to shake the moniker they earned when they tore the team down. Not saying they're smart, just saying they're not following the same playbook. If they are smart then they will trade down (under most circumstances).
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This front office is always going to want to trade down so it’s not surprising that we are in rumors about trading down. I think the FO has done enough during this FA to shake the moniker they earned when they tore the team down. Not saying they're smart, just saying they're not following the same playbook. If they are smart then they will trade down (under most circumstances). Debatable. :-p
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Please don’t post bad sources. Not sure what makes it bad? Does this person have a record or making stuff up? I don't know. Not knowing makes it a bad source. We'll see what else he has to say.... For the sake of argument, let's say there are some legs to this: The issue/questions I have on this is (1) the value in the return just after one season is less and (2) there isn't any return directly in this draft. Like with many things this time of year, people are usually a week or so behind on what teams are doing and playing catch up now. This could have easily been something discussed a while back and fizzled out because of the offer.
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We’ll see what happens and what he has to say now
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I just don't think this fits with the current approach of the FO. They just made a couple big-time free agency gets that point to getting proven talent in the door and playing for the Browns right now. Jettisoning an elite WR for draft capital that won't be used for over a year (and not being used in this draft, which seems to be really good) just doesn't jive with earlier moves.
I can understand why folks would want to trade OBJ, but it only makes sense if we get top compensation (an equivalent vet talent at another position, or a 1st rounder).
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I don't know how good or bad the source is, but I have my doubts that this is true. The reason why is that would be a horrendous trade for the Browns. Minni has a good team and their record will be good. A second and a fifth? LMAO.....that would be beyond ignorant and I don't think Berry is ignorant.
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Received a one-word answer from a source close to the #Vikings about the report they're talking to the #Browns about trading for Odell Beckham Jr. for a 2nd & 5th next year: "False"
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I trust him more than most.
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What's interesting about the article is that it raises the WR position as a possible position of need. The Browns have no clear cut WR3 and we don't really know how Landry and Beckham are really doing except for reports that they are healing on schedule. Where have we heard this before?
If the assumption that the Browns will trade for Trent Williams along with the addition of Conklin and Hooper, it would seem foolish to go into the season after adding those critical pieces with no WR3 and question marks at WR1 & WR2. It's not like the guys are at Berea daily going through monitored rehab.
Now maybe the author has information we do not have or more likely it's an opinion which is also fine. However, if Williams is traded for fixing the LT issue, where do the Browns turn for value and best player available?
OT, either side is set for 2-4 years so going there at #10 does not provide immediate value. If Simmons is available then that is the pick because LB is a need that will have to be addressed one way or another and Simmons would clearly be the best player available according to most mock drafts. WR appears to be loaded in the draft yet the top 3 (Jeudy, Ruggs & Lamb) are all predicted to go anywhere between 8-13 which would put one of them in the Browns area as best player available and a potential need. Most mocks have DT Brown going to Carolina at #7 or higher.
If available at #10, Brown or Kinlaw for that fact, could be the best player available but what about immediate value? The Browns have three DT's under contract (Qgunjobi, Richardson & Billings) with two Ogunjobi and Billings in the final year of their deals. What are the Browns plans for DT going forward? What does the 2021 draft class look like at the position and does a 4th DT provide the most value to the team right now?
Safety, most mocks have McKinney and Chinn going somewhere in the 17-25 range. Reaching for a safety at #10 would not be a good value. However, a trade down to get another 2nd round pick might be an option if the Browns want one of the top 2 safety's but Winfield could be available in the early 2nd. I don't see Safety being in the conversation at #10.
LB, like I said, if Simmons is available he'd most likely be the best option for the Browns. If unavailable, Murray and Queen are projected in the 15-24 range and would again be a trade down option for the Browns rather than reaching.
Edge, after Young, there's a drop off to get to Chaisson or Gross-Matos. Edge appears to be a position of concern being that there's talk about Clowney, Ngakoue & Griffin. The Browns don't appear to feel that Vernon or Thomas as being the answer not only going forward but for 2020. However, these two guys are also planned to go somewhere between 16-21 and would require a trade down to their value range so as not to reach.
Corner, though not a need, is corner the best player available and provides the most value? Henderson, Terrell, Diggs & Fulton are expected to go anywhere from 10 to 20 picks after Okudah. That puts them all outside the #10 selection as far as immediate value but again, a trade down could make them the best player available depending on the direction the Browns are going.
Best player available, value and team direction plan will all come into play with the Browns selection. If Williams is traded for per the authors thought, the Browns have many options with their board up to and including taking a player at the WR position. Good points all ... the issue I have, while you can make a case for some uncertainty with JL and OBJ because of surgery - they are both quality starters and a great 1-2 (if healthy). Taking a WR at #10 isn't a WR3 ... you are or should be taking a WR1 at that slot in the draft. I very much don't see the need. Picking up one of the smaller, twitchy, speedster WR's who are (probably) destined for a lifetime in the slot would make a lot of sense ... in the later rounds. I don't see the rationale for drafting a WR1 when looking at our roster, it's needs and the players likely available ... even if one wants to suppose the questions over the surgeries are bigger than most of us probably think of.
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I think the Browns are fine at WR. They have two studs. That makes the other guys better because the top two guys draw so much attention. Higgins, Ratley, Hodge are good enough for the roles that are required. Picking a WR would blow my mind. Picking a WR at 10 would be completely moronic. In order to justify it, we'd have to know that we will be without BOTH OBJ and Landry... and if we had ANY doubts about that whatsoever, then I will indict this FO for not addressing it during free agency, especially with the number of top-level WR that moved around, doubly so the number that were traded for chump change. We didn't even sniff at any of them, which tells me that both OBJ & Landry are solid.... and it is an absolute WASTE to drop a #10 pick on a 3rd WR.
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I think we secretly like Kinlaw too
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I think we secretly like Kinlaw too Why do you think that?
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I think we secretly like Kinlaw too Why do you think that? I had been listening to a draft podcast (or maybe it was a clip breakdown) talking about our front 7 ... I’ll try to find it. But just a hunch and he’s not been talked about much
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Exactly. We already have positions of need. Why trade OBJ and open up another? Not to mention if we drafted the best WR at #10 who's to say he will ever be as good as OBJ. OBJ is one of the top 2 or 3 WR in the league. Let's see what he can do with good coaches in our system.
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We aren't trading OBJ. Sports radio has absolutely nothing to talk about right now. Cleveland radio hosts should thank Marcus the Moose on NY radio for making up that trade and helping them fill show content for at least today.
It must be hell trying to fill a four hour show with sports content when there are no sports being played.
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Would pick #47 be worth moving down six?
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Would pick #47 be worth moving down six? I would at least ask for a 2nd and a 5th although the draft Value Board says #47 we be enough ...
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I'm not buying any talk about trading OBJ. In the uniform release photos, there was a generic 'player' wearing the #20, except for 2 shots, both of jerseys with player names and numbers, Chubb #24, and Beckham #13. They're using his presence on the roster as a selling tool. Teams don't generally do that with players likely to be gone when the season starts.
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This Odell rumor stuff makes no sense. I don't believe any of it.
Berry and Stefanski may not have been responsible for the trade but I believe they want Odell.
Maybe if someone went all out for him with "crazy" then maybe. But I don't see that happening at all.
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Trades? I think we will be involved in trades during the draft.
There are two Browns that may be on the move Njoku and Hunt.
Not saying they will be traded. But, it would not surprise me. Vernon could also be in a deal.
I would love to know how Berry, KS, and Depo view Simmons. Would they make a move for him?
If they could get Williams from Washington for a third and a player and land Simmons that would work. But I don't see them going up further than the seven slot.
Maybe this year they stand pat and just go BPA. Maybe make some minor moves in later rounds.
They signed guys to one year deals. They will most likely look for answers to replace them with mid and late round guys who could sit a year.
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I can't see it happening. Too much talent. Better produce better season, but not trade bait IMO. Based on nothing more than uniform conviction.
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Would pick #47 be worth moving down six?
It all depends on who is on the board. If Simmons is on the board and we want him - then no, if Simmons or another player is on the board and someone else really wants him and we think the player we want is going to be on the board 6 picks later (and we have at least a couple other viable options in case someone else takes that player) ... then probably.
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I don't buy the OBJ trade rumors. They are not just going to give the guy away. A 2nd and a 5th in next years draft would make the Hopkins trade look smart.
Look, if Diggs was worth a first round pick, then OBJ is worth a first plus more. He is way better then Diggs. Maybe equal divas, but OBJ hasn't worn out his welcome in Cleveland yet.
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I don't buy the OBJ trade rumors. They are not just going to give the guy away. A 2nd and a 5th in next years draft would make the Hopkins trade look smart.
Look, if Diggs was worth a first round pick, then OBJ is worth a first plus more. He is way better then Diggs. Maybe equal divas, but OBJ hasn't worn out his welcome in Cleveland yet. Agreed
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