DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus ‘trump the virus” Covid 19-Continued

"Considering your personality, 'social distancing' has been your given for decades." [laugh track]
"You'll never contract so much as the sniffles from another human being, and will probably live 'til 132... when you get hit by a bus dodging traffic on your hoverboard..."[laugh track]



"He's here all week, folks. Wait- where is everybody? How could you pass on this talent? He's the protege of Don Rickles and Triumph (the insult comic Rottweiler), and he was killing in the Borscht Belt until just 3 months ago. Where'd y'all go? Are you an audience, or an oil painting?"

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Glad you're staying safe, Dawg.

Just sayin': It's a b# that we now have to add shaking hands to the common-sense healthy-living advice list that also includes:

Never eat the complimentary raw bar shrimp at the strip club.


Wash them mitts on the reg, bro. You and me are Prime Targets for this abomination.

(Translation: I enjoy our fencing matches- stick around for many more)


#staysafe

Oh brother. What the hell are you blabbering about now. trump can’t handle a little criticism so he didn’t close off all travel. LOL. Tell us another one bro.

Clown ass conservatives wanna tell everybody else like blacks and Latinos to obey authority, and yet they asses out here protesting and yelling that they are refusing to obey authority.

Bunch of freaking hypocrites. That’s why I trash y’all every chance I get. Y’all absolutely deserve to be ruthlessly mocked 24/7.

US coronavirus deaths hits record one-day total of 4,591

BY MARINA PITOFSKY - 04/17/20 08:27 AM EDT

Reported US coronavirus deaths hit a record one-day total of 4,591 in 24 hours on Thursday, surpassing a previous high of 2,569 deaths in the U.S. on Wednesday, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University.

The number of new coronavirus cases on Thursday was approximately the same as Wednesday, with 31,451 new confirmed infections across the country, according to the outlet.

There have been more than 671,000 confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. since the outbreak began in China late last year. There have been more than 33,000 deaths. Around the world, there have been more than 2.15 million cases.

The spike came on the same day that President Trump unveiled guidance for a phased reopening of parts of the U.S. economy that largely leaves final decisions to governors across the country.

The guidance recommends that states see a downward trajectory in the number of confirmed cases and flu-like symptoms before moving to lift the stay-at-home orders and other restrictions in states nationwide intended to stem the spread of the virus.

Multiple regional coalitions formed this week as state officials confer with one another on the best course for lifting advisories, including in the Northeast, along the West Coast and in a group of seven Midwestern states.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/493287...-more-than-4500

The only two things I fear about Corona is that I won't survive to vote for Trump again and if I croak, I will be voting Democrat for years to come.

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This is an opinion, but some of these people who are protesting against social distancing are boggling my mind. I can't really type what I think of them because it is too insulting, but on a humorous note, I saw one photo of a protestor who had a sign that read something like COVID-19 is a Lie! Meanwhile, he was wearing a protective face mask. LOL

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LA OUT OF WORK More than HALF of Los Angeles workers are now unemployed just one month into coronavirus lockdowns

https://www.the-sun.com/news/701796/coronavirus-los-angeles-unemployed-more-than-half-jobs/

well, half of LA is out of work actors. The other half are homeless, "residents" of Hollywood Blvd, or actors working at restaurants, so....


Just kidding... kinda.
Still, that is a crazy statistic.

p.s. we need a new plague. I'm bored with this one.

I know what you mean but careful what you ask for Purple!

What we really need is this one to wind down and finally end.

Vers, like many things in life the main issue is looking at thee problems from the right angle.

The pro social distancing people (where I include myself) just have to acknowledge that we can still have social distancing without laws and rules if we want it.

Nobody is trying to prevent social distancing from the ones who want it, but they sure IMHO are entitled to not social distance among them if they want.

Who am I, or anybody else to say what they can do with their life.

I see this laws has fundamentally antidemocratic and against liberty and freedom, so naturally I oppose them. I think we could achieve the same results with voluntary confinement and government help for the ones in confinement. No need for mandatory laws and house arrests.

While I can see where you are coming from ... to me the high likelihood/probability that those who choose not to socially distance will cause: a drain on healthcare services through contracting and spreading the virus AND spread the virus to others that are socially distancing (and no doubt create deaths as a result) .... means that they should not be allowed to do whatever they want. I liken it to driving at 120mph on the freeway ... why shouldn't someone be allowed to drive as fast as they want and endanger themselves if they choose? ... Because they will also endanger others.

There's a big difference between posting a speed limit at 70mph and the cops enforcing violations beyond that limit and telling anyone who has a car that is capable of doing 120mph that they aren't allowed to travel on that road at all.

I agree with Rastan that these orders are largely undemocratic and unConstitutional at their heart. Yes, governors do and should have some additional authority during emergencies. Most people don't disagree with that. But any orders they issue still have to be lawful and be backed up by facts.

That is not happening with most of these restrictions. Its a rare individual who doesn't have at least some concern about contracting it but they still haven't been able to get a handle on an accurate transmission rate.

So while you may be concerned, the only thing you have to support these orders is a "what if" or "just in case".

What if.. just in case... is it really wise to enact these massive restrictions on our Rights for such vague reasoning? Would you or anyone else be comfortable if other laws were enforced based on that standard?

The fact there is a 70 mph sign there at all is the point.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There are some trends that we can look at that help us determine the "what ifs"

People act as though people will just "Do the right thing" and social distance. As we can see at these very rallies, many won't. We have laws to protect those who are at risk from the behavior of others.

Social distancing isn't a CHOICE! When your actions risk the health, wellness and life of those around you, you just lost that choice.

People are just making excuses why they think it's fine for them to risk the life of those around them. It's sickening.

I didn't mock anything. I said it was travel restrictions and not a ban. You just admitted that what I said was the truth. Now will you quit lying by calling it a ban?



So it was travel restrictions and not a ban. Uh, that's what I said.



So I guess you must have missed posts where I said it was the right thing to do? Where I gave him credit for it? Because I have. Where you and your cohorts fall flat is acting like those travel restrictions make up for all of the things he didn't do. You point to a single action and refuse to see how much he failed in so many other areas.



And you want to look at one isolated event, brag about it and ignore everything else. That isn't truth, that's tunnel vision.

So are you saying driving is not allowed? Football can't be played etc etc. What if you took that line of thinking to other areas of human behavior?

In the end nobody stops you from social distancing, do they?

We already criminalize purposeful infections, and reckless driving and that's what it should be like in all cases.

You can take any human behavior and create an anecdotal fact to justify anything... the question is How much more effective are force quarantines regarding voluntary quarantines.

Is life itself a higher value than freedom? History says its not, maybe current society thinks it is....

You do realize that Trump has 19 sexual accusers, right? You already helped elect a pervert by your standards. I'm not surprised you ignored that part though. And his Biden's was an adult. I know life is rough for you right now, but this isn't helping you.

Why didn't we test the hypothesis first? I believe most of us (me included) would voluntarily quarantine if we were given the choice.

The key here is the social help for those who can't, and how asymmetric are the consequences of a lockdown,not to speak about the loss of freedom and all it implies.

I honestly don't see any of the stay@home fanatics giving money to the ones who have to go to work.... People are leaving the infected relatives in hospitals so they don't get infected....

In the end we are locking ourselves not for our protection but for the protection of others, so its only logical that the thing to do would be to isolate and protect the risk groups, not the healthy ones.

The data shows that risk groups are getting much more infections that healthy people, both in numbers and percentage, so I think we can say that general lock downs simply are not efficient.

By the way and has a disclosure I am part of a risk group and I already practiced social distancing before, and so did most of us at risk. I just stopped going to the hospital because its where most of the infections are...

They're not conservatives. I know spending was needed due to this virus, but even before that there is nothing conservative about Trump's spending since he was elected. At least they're not traditional fiscal conservatives.

At this point it's all excuses and rationalizations for a nasty human being.

Good God man, you mean you can't feel freedom without being in a crowd?

Using the constitution as an excuse to kill people is pretty weak.

Driving is a privilege and can be restricted as much as the government wishes.

Other aspects of life in the United States are not mere privileges, and as such, like it or not, cannot be restricted on any level - especially by a lowly governor. No governor can make any law or decree that usurps or bypasses the Constitution in any way, regardless of reasoning or claims of emergency.

Yes, that puts things in a pickle. However, that is exactly as it should be.

The only question is to discuss how to proceed. The protests don't matter, really. The numbers are super small and their spread is quite limited given that everyone else is obeying things. Any increased impact on the hospitals from their actions will be minimal, at worst. They aren't causing anyone to get sick that wouldn't get sick anyway because quite simply, everyone is going to be exposed to this; it's just a matter of when, not if.

The real issue is the problems behind the protests and the simple immutable fact that we CANNOT sustain staying like this. We MUST begin to re-open things. It has nothing to do with Wall St. and everything to do with people need to pay rent and buy food. People need to be secure in their most basic needs of food & shelter. People, for mental health, need to not be contained in the boxes that are their homes.

In the end, it all goes back to remember the goals and reasons behind the shutdowns which was and is nothing more and nothing less than mitigating the expected flood of in-patient admissions at our hospitals. That's it. Everything beyond that is just rhetoric.

We are not saving lives except in the sense that we are helping prevent the overload of the hospitals and the excess deaths that come from that. We are not preventing people from getting infected; we are DELAYING people getting infected. All the same people are still going to get infected, give or take.

So, if we can open businesses and allow some people to return to earning a living while still mitigating the onslaught of our hospitals, then we absolutely SHOULD do so.

Glad you agree opening businesses that can be shown not to continue spread is something that SHOULD be done.

Currently. Our public Busses are free, must get on in the back door, and the driver can stop if one person doesn't have a mask covering their nose and mouth.

Haven't seen, but have heard a tale that the front 1/4 of the bus may be roped off, no sitting. So the available area to social distance is 3/4 of a bus.

We know how much area that is, and just imagine how many people ride a bus at one time,
I'll say here it's only 2, 3, 4-5 NOT MANY.

Yet. Currently the "Family Video" store must remain closed because, non essential, a whole averaged sized room, I've never seen more than 7 people in, usually 2-3- 4 or 5, Not Many!

Also. Movie theaters can't open and sell 25% capacity, then post Sold out?

If everybody is forced to wear masks in these facilities:

Ok, Mitigation. The um, HIT on economics, I'm going to liken it to,
We've got a person throwing down shots of alcohol, and nothing has taken effect yet, because the time since they started throwing down these shots is still very short, but, when the effect HITs like a SLAM all of a sudden,
Trying to get these businesses open is like asking them to try and drink a couple less shots.

And, the narrative that people even being out, causes deaths is extremicist.
Not every interaction causes death,

If there is a 2nd wave that jumps to 50,million this will be moot anyway, the saving of the health care systems stability, even if chosen to be the most important, will crack inevitably, and the measures taken will have proved of little use.

Here in Virginia our Democrat Governor has ordered mandatory black face for everyone!

Gov. Ralph Northam admits he was in 1984 yearbook photo showing figures in blackface, KKK hood

Northam, 59, did not say whether he was the man dressed in blackface or the one in a Klan robe and hood.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vir...dc17_story.html

This belongs in PP, because it is VERY political. UBI and MC4A are viable options for people needing to provide for their families until we get through this. We are NOT merely delaying the spread, we are buying time for those working on treatments and vaccines. Everyday we limit the spread of this thing translates to lives saved, period.

Now I agree that we are social beast and being locked down doesn't just suck but is detrimental to long term mental health... but death is permanently detrimental to health. So in my opinion, leadership needs to provide immediate financial relief on a scale that allows people to pay their bills and provide basics for their families. Meanwhile we rationally and responsibly look at how to end this shutdown in the least detrimental to health fashion. Personally I would like to only have to go through this lockdown once. We move to rashly to re-open the economy and in a few months we are back here with our tails tucked and in a much worse health crisis.

We absolutely are. Unless you lock everyone away completely, this is still going to spread.


Unsubstantiated. A logical extension of "if people don't get sick, they won't die", BUT the people ARE going to get sick. It is a WHEN.

We sure as heck aren't staying like this for the next year. ZERO chance. It isn't even possible financially. You cannot wave a wand and decide to support half the country for a year with nothing. To even pretend is absurd.

We put the brakes on and killed its momentum, but there is absolutely zero chance we can make it go away by doing this. The only way to deal with this is to go through it; not try to stop in the middle of it and hide from it. We are NOT adding deaths, we are NOT adding illnesses. THe exact same as when we went into distancing and lockdowns.... we simply altered timelines and magnitudes, but the simple fact is that people still are getting infected. People are still getting sick. People are still dying. It is an immutable fact. We cannot and will not change that.




And you come right back to what I was saying, lol! Except when I wrote it I'm wrong?

And we WILL get it wrong. Maybe not Ohio. Maybe not most areas, but somebody will. Somebody will relax too much too quickly. It's going to happen. I already fully expect even Ohio to go back on lockdown at least once more simply because I don't see us waiting three weeks between decisions to ease things while we wait to see the impact.

And, yes.... I forgot my own rule and all of the talk about protests and all that should be removed from here.

73% Of Inmates At An Ohio Prison Test Positive For Coronavirus

A state prison has become a hot spot of the COVID-19 outbreak in Ohio, with at least 1,828 confirmed cases among inmates — accounting for the majority of cases in Marion County, which leads Ohio in the reported infections. Ohio officials say an aggressive testing program is responsible for the large number.

The large cluster of cases was found through mass testing of everyone at the Marion Correctional Institution; 109 staff members were also positive. No COVID-19 deaths have been reported at the prison.

"Because we are testing everyone — including those who are not showing symptoms — we are getting positive test results on individuals who otherwise would have never been tested because they were asymptomatic," the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction says.

There are currently 2,400 coronavirus cases among inmates in Ohio's state prisons, along with 244 staff members. The numbers could rise this week: A prison in Pickaway County began mass testing on Sunday.

With Ohio reporting some 12,919 coronavirus cases as of Monday, the prison system now accounts for more than 20% of the state's cases.

No other state has reported as many cases of COVID-19 behind bars as Ohio, in large part because no other state has tested as many inmates as Ohio.

"They are pulling off mass testing of their entire population inclusive of staff which is something that no other state is doing," says Jennifer Clayton, head of health services for the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Corrections.

Texas, California, Florida and Georgia all have larger prison populations than Ohio — but those states all report significantly fewer coronavirus cases.

Michigan, which has one of the largest outbreaks in the country with more than 30,000 confirmed cases, reports 572 of 889 inmates tested were found to have the coronavirus. More than 200 staff members are also infected.

New York state, whose nearly 250,000 cases account for roughly a third of all U.S. cases, reports just over 1,000 coronavirus cases in its prison system — and most of those infections (794) are among staff. New York says it tests inmates only after they show symptoms and have a medical evaluation.

Because of the COVID-19 pandemic, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine recently recommended early release for about 300 of the 49,000 inmates who are in Ohio's prison system – far short of the thousands of people the state's American Civil Liberties Union chapter said should be released.

"This is devastating and terrifying, but it was not inevitable," ACLU Ohio Advocacy Counsel Claire Chevrier said via Twitter. She added, "This was a policy choice."

As he gave an update on COVID-19 in his state Monday, DeWine said, "We're looking at more prisoners who can be released." He added that Ohio isn't planning for "a wholesale release where every one in a certain category gets out of prison."

With dozens of staff testing positive for the virus at the Marion and Pickaway prisons, members of the Ohio National Guard are being deployed to bolster operations.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus...for-coronavirus

""No other state has reported as many cases of COVID-19 behind bars as Ohio, in large part because no other state has tested as many inmates as Ohio.""

I wonder what the actual number in the Nation / world would be if we could test sufficiently to identify every who has (or had) the virus.

Coronavirus-lockdown protests will 'backfire' and interrupt the US's economic recovery, Fauci says

• Coronavirus-lockdown protests cropping up in the US will "backfire," Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Monday, adding that "unless we get the virus under control, the real recovery, economically, is not going to happen."
• Over the past week, protesters in several states have called for stay-at-home orders to be lifted. But Fauci said that "if you jump the gun and go into a situation where you have a big spike, you're going to set yourself back."
• Separately, the president's adviser Kellyanne Conway lashed out at some governors, saying they were "physically distanced from common sense."

Coronavirus-lockdown protests around the United States will "backfire" and hamper the country's economic revival, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the United States' top infectious-disease expert, said on Monday.

"Clearly, this is something that is hurting from the standpoint of economics and the standpoint of things that have nothing to do with the virus," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a member of the White House's coronavirus task force, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "Good Morning America."

"But unless we get the virus under control, the real recovery, economically, is not going to happen," Fauci added.

The US's coronavirus outbreak dwarfs that of other countries, with more than 760,500 cases and more than 40,700 deaths as of Monday, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

However, unlike other nations that have been severely affected by the pandemic, the US has not issued a nationwide stay-at-home order. Instead, state officials have been left to deal with their local outbreaks on a piecemeal basis, putting nearly 95% of the US population under some sort of shelter-in-place order.

People toting signs that say things like "Give me liberty or give me COVID-19" and "End the virus not the economy" have recently protested in the streets in several states, including Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, Maryland, Texas, Kentucky, and Wisconsin, and the hashtag #FireFauci has trended on social media.

Several of the protests are thought to have been organized by three brothers and gun-rights activists who created numerous state-specific Facebook groups advocating lockdown rallies.

Trouble is also brewing in Colorado, where a trending video showed healthcare workers going toe to toe with demonstrators in Denver who said that they too should be allowed to work.

Experts, including Fauci, continue to urge social-distancing measures, like staying at least 6 feet away from other people, to curb the spread of the virus.

"If you jump the gun and go into a situation where you have a big spike, you're going to set yourself back," Fauci said.

Though it may be "painful," it's critical for authorities and citizens to follow the "guidelines of gradually phasing into a reopening," he said, referring to the Trump administration's guidelines to "open up" the country in three phases, at the discretion of state governors.

Not lifting containment measures incrementally is dangerous, Fauci said.

"It's going to backfire," he said. "That's the problem."



However, discordant messages have emerged from the nation's top brass.

President Donald Trump on Friday tweeted support for people demonstrating in Minnesota, Michigan, and Virginia, saying to "liberate" residents from strict social-distancing guidelines.

At a White House press briefing on Sunday, Trump said that "some of the things that happened are maybe not so appropriate."

His adviser Kellyanne Conway echoed that message on Monday, telling Fox News' Sandra Smith that some governors were "physically distanced from common sense."

"Some have been more concerned about, I think, controlling the populations than protecting them, and the president is just making that clear," Conway said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/anti-cor...auci-abc-2020-4

Georgia, Tennessee announce plans to reopen some businesses, wind down coronavirus stay-at-home orders

https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-tenne...-at-home-orders

The American comeback begins thanks to our President and Governors.

I truly, truly hope that this is the one that teaches us The Lesson. This goes way beyond preparedness in terms of PPE stockpiles, testing equipment, etc. There should be some sort of nationalized response protocol that serves as a baseline standard. Any state that wishes to enhance the parameters of the nat'l protocol should be free to do so, in response to its own particular circumstance.

*South Korea set the benchmark for national pandemic response. They practiced wide scale testing up-front, engaged in contact tracing from the very beginning, and have integrated this nationalized response into the flow of daily life. They did all this without a national lockdown: because they learned from their previous experiences with being Ground Zero(+) for epidemic outbreaks. This extensive protocol of theirs will be maintained until a vaccine is not only widely available, but also widely dispersed. And their entire country will continue to function.

Getting the US up to speed with a national protocol like South Korea's will be no small task. However difficult that challenge, it must be done. Our response to this viral outbreak has been woefully inadequate for a nation that purports to set the benchmark for First-World standards. American citizens should never be this vulnerable again. *

Aside from the details, I hope and pray that we begin to take this stuff seriously enough to make s# happen. Not everything we devise will be right, efficacious or even prudent. Doesn't matter. We've always tweaked/improved our daily game as we've stumbled along. This should be no different. But one thing's for sure: we should have learned how painful it is to be caught (unnecessarily) flat-footed.

Any policy and defense plan, even a flawed/evolving one, is better than no defense plan at all.

I hope we learn and get better from this. If we don't, it will have been a waste of Human Life and an opportunity to become better as a species.


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j/c...

I had a short convo with Eve yesterday.
She'd asked: "Why is Georgia so slow? "

My answer was:


This news headline comes as no big surprise to me.
Kemp's priorities have been on naked display since Day One.

One of the last to take action of any sort.
One of the first to run back into full engagement.
Money rules his choices.

People with limited income and funeral bills paid on installment plans will decide his political fate.

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I wish Eve had better leadership. From her own life accounts at this web address, she's living/interacting with the very demographic that finds itself in CoVID-19's crosshairs.
I can't imagine what that must be like.

Oh, wait... I guess I can. People I love as family are the kinds of folks who are Eve's neighbors. I have 3 loved ones who probably live less than a 30 minute's drive from Eve.

All of My People are directly in the bullseye of what CoVID-19 feasts upon. This monster scares the out of me.

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Given the lack of leadership/coordination at the federal level, it's apparent that laissez-faire competition at the state level is where we are heading. Governors like this tool are most likely going to damage the long-term prospects of all of us by promoting statewide/regional medical spikes and a lengthening of the 'Contagion Roller-coaster.'

I hate how heavy America's social anchor is.

‘This virus is a monster,’ Miami Twp. woman on mom’s devastating death from coronavirus

“It starts with one aspect of your body, typically your lungs, and then it literally takes all prisoners. (The) prisoners are your organs, and your blood, and your faculties, your extremities,” Dayton area woman said. “Then it is killing your brain.”

When you consider the early warnings about those at most risk of death from the coronavirus, Angela Faith White might have been be one of the last people you’d think would have to worry.

She was just 56 and in good health. She did not have a compromised immune system that would concern a doctor.

When they were young, White home-schooled the apples of her eye on eight acres in Cable, an unincorporated community in Champaign County. With the girls — Annemarie Bradford and Sara, Amie and Leah White — grown, Angela lived in the four-bedroom empty nest with her husband, Christoper.

“She was kind of a homebody,” Sara White of Miami Twp. said of her mom. “Unless it had something to do with her kids and her husband, she just really didn’t leave the house very often.”

But there Sara and her sisters were in gowns, gloves and masks on April 8 at Springfield Regional Medical Center. With medical staff on hand, they said their goodbyes to the woman who, when she was healthy, perked up when anyone mentioned any of their names.

Sara says her dad could not be in the room.

“He just said that he just couldn’t fathom watching his wife take her last breath and watching her heart rate become zero,” Sara said. “He just couldn’t do it.”

Sunday, April 19, would have marked Angela White’s 34th year of marriage to Christopher.

Not just the flu

Sara, a 31-year-old client executive who advises companies on health insurance, said her mother’s death and decline over two excruciating weeks illustrates the seriousness of COVID-19.

“This virus is a monster. It starts with one aspect of your body, typically your lungs, and then it literally takes all prisoners. (The) prisoners are your organs, and your blood, and your faculties, your extremities,” she said. “Then it is killing your brain.”

Born in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada, Angela White was one of six children and came to the United States as a teenager. She met the man who would be her husband when she was about 20.

With her husband in self-quarantine, Angela White was sedated March 23 before being transferred from Mercy Health - Urbana Hospital to Springfield Regional.

He had taken her to the hospital two days before and insisted that she be treated, refusing to take her home when officials said he should, Sara said.

Each family member decided for themselves if they wanted to be in the room when Angela, a woman remembered in her obituary for her knack for interior design, love of family and sports and support of the Caring Kitchen and other Champaign County charities, died.

“I am actually glad my dad didn’t (go in). I’m glad he’s able to still envision her in full health, in her full personality and everything,” Sara said.

Angela White’s decline after experiencing flu-like symptoms in March was dramatic.

Days before Angela White became ill, she was helping Sara raise money as part of Sara’s campaign for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society’s Man and Woman of the Year, a fundraiser. “It was such a cool bonding time for us. We talked every day, regardless of the campaign, but we talked so much more. We would talk two, three or four times a day throughout that campaign,” Sara said.

Sara said her mother, who often had a cough, sought medical attention after losing her appetite and coming down with a recurring fever. She eventually became nauseous and her doctor approved her for the coronavirus test she got at the center set up in the University of Dayton Arena parking lot.

Her fever spiked, and even though the results were not in, Sara said her dad knew something had to be done.

“She was literally laying on the couch and she could barely gasp for air,” Sara recalled of the last time she talked to her mom. “On Saturday afternoon … I had a conversation with my mom on the phone, and by Monday morning, she’s completely sedated. Her lungs are filled with fluid, and she has no ability to breathe on her own.

“Her kidneys and her liver were in failure so they had to administer dialysis to clean her blood,” Sara said. “They’re pumping all of these fluids into her body. They’re having to feed her through a tube. They’re having to hydrate her through a tube. They’re having to give her electrolytes … but then the problem is that when your body’s not functioning on its own, you’re not secreting any of those fluids. Then when you don’t secrete them, your acid level goes up. Basically she was going into acidosis, which is what is causing her kidneys and her liver to fail.”

After attempts to have her breathe on her own failed, Angela White was given a CT scan which revealed that she suffered a stroke.

“They explained that the stroke was so severe. The neurologist team told us she will never think again. She will never eat on her own again. … And they said that the likelihood of her being able to breathe again on her own was slim to none.

”The family made the decision to remove her from life support. Sara said it’s what her mother would have wanted.

Saying goodbye

That last contact through gloves, gowns and mask was only the third time she and her sisters were able to see their mom after she was admitted.

Once before that moment, they saw her via FaceTime. The other time, they were called to the hospital after her health had taken a turn for the worse.

“Then they allowed us to gown up like we were surgeons and go into my mom’s room to to basically pray with her and begged her to keep fighting and tell her that we’re here for her,” Sara said.Sara said she doesn’t know how her mom became infected with coronavirus.

Angela White worked from home for a medical billing company, making rare trips to nursing homes, none of which have been identified as hot spots.

“It’s really ironic. She definitely is someone that changed some of the statistics that we had been hearing,” she said.

Social media

Typically a private person, Sara said she has shared part of her family’s journey on Facebook.

She says it is hard to see people not taking the pandemic seriously, particularly those who have had parties in their home and have introduced new people into their lives and to the lives of their children.

Still, she says she understands why it is hard for some people to get it. She shares her family’s story to help others.

“Sometimes things aren’t reality for you unless you’re living them,” she said. “I’ve had people reach out to me to say, ‘You know what, I didn’t realize how close it was. It’s different when you’re talking about Italy or you’re talking about New York. We’re not at in either of those places, but when you’re telling me you live here in Montgomery County and your mom in Champaign County contracted it.’ She’s like, ‘It feels real now, and I’m going to start following the rules a little bit better.”

https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/...Uif0RGDCUzsTPM/

Exactly why trump, pence and co. don’t want wide scale testing. trump knows the number. Why do you think he rants for hours then bows his head and walks off stage after his presser. pffft trump .....he thinks we can’t handle the truth because he can’t. He’s a weak shadow of a human being.

j/c


saw a story on this last night. Thought it was interesting.

https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody-testing-results-covid-19-infections-los-angeles-county/
Early antibody testing suggests COVID-19 infections in L.A. County greatly exceed documented cases
USC and L.A. County Department of Public Health officials have released the preliminary results of their antibody tests, which show a surprising number of residents have been infected with the coronavirus.
BY Leigh Hopper APRIL 20, 2020

SC and the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health on Monday released preliminary results from a collaborative scientific study that suggests infections from the new coronavirus are far more widespread — and the fatality rate much lower — in L.A. County than previously thought.

FACEBOOK LIVE: Watch Monday’s briefing by USC and L.A. County Department of Public Health officials.
The results are from the first round of an ongoing study by USC researchers and county health officials. They will be conducting antibody testing over time on a series of representative samples of adults to determine the scope and spread of the pandemic across the county.

Based on the results of the first round of testing, the research team estimates that approximately 4.1% of the county’s adult population has an antibody to the virus. Adjusting this estimate for the statistical margin of error implies about 2.8% to 5.6% of the county’s adult population has an antibody to the virus — which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have been infected. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county at the time of the study in early April. The number of COVID-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600.

“We haven’t known the true extent of COVID-19 infections in our community because we have only tested people with symptoms, and the availability of tests has been limited,” said lead investigator Neeraj Sood, professor of public policy at the USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics. “The estimates also suggest that we might have to recalibrate disease prediction models and rethink public health strategies.”

What do the antibody testing results mean for controlling COVID-19?
The results have important implications for public health efforts to control the local epidemic.

“These results indicate that many persons may have been unknowingly infected and at risk of transmitting the virus to others,” said Barbara Ferrer, director of the L.A. County Department of Public Health. “These findings underscore the importance of expanded polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing to diagnose those with infection so they can be isolated and quarantined while also maintaining the broad social distancing interventions.”

The antibody test is helpful for identifying past infection, but a PCR test is required to diagnose a current infection.

“Though the results indicate a lower risk of death among those with infection than was previously thought, the number of COVID-related deaths each day continues to mount, highlighting the need for continued vigorous prevention and control efforts,” said Paul Simon, chief science officer at the L.A. County Department of Public Health and co-lead on the study.

The study’s results have not yet been peer-reviewed by other scientists. The researchers plan to test new groups of participants every few weeks in the coming months to gauge the pandemic’s trajectory in the region.

More on USC/L.A. County testing
With help from medical students from the Keck School of Medicine of USC, USC researchers and public health officials conducted drive-thru antibody testing on April 10 and 11 at six sites. Participants were recruited via a proprietary database that is representative of the county population. The database is maintained by LRW Group, a market research firm.

The researchers used a rapid antibody test for the study. The FDA allows such tests for public health surveillance to gain greater clarity on actual infection rates. The test’s accuracy was further assessed at a lab at Stanford University using blood samples that were positive and negative for COVID-19.

In addition to Sood and Simon, other authors and institutions contributing to the study include Peggy Ebner of the Keck School of Medicine, Daniel Eichner of the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory, Jeffrey Reynolds of LRW Group and Eran Bendavid and Jay Bhattacharya of the Stanford University School of Medicine.

The study was supported by funding from the USC Schwarzenegger Institute for State and Global Policy, the USC Lusk Center for Real Estate, the USC president’s office, the Jedel Family Foundation, LRW Group, SoapBoxSample and several individual donors.

Like Eve's home state, SC [where I reside] was slow to react and is already easing restrictions. I know my wife's hospital began doing elective surgeries yesterday.

Here is an article on how the government is easing restrictions.

Natural selection, thinning the herd. The plan continues in plain site.