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If the guy is going to trash Baker, he shouldn't counter with Herbert. My goodness. I am as down on Baker as anyone, and I take him all day, everyday, and twice on Sunday compared to Herbert.

Goodness gracious. Some sanity would be nice.

Agreed. Then again, the discussion that Higgins is better than OBJ and Landry is even more preposterous.

Agreed.

I missed this. Where is that happening?

I am not sure how one can determine that the strategy of trading down was good in the specific case that it results in the selection of poor talent. "Winning the draft strategy" by trading down is of absolutley no interest to me if we do not come away with players so that we ultimately end up winning games.

Of course, if we picked better players after a trade down then the strategy would have been a winner. However that is the case whether we choose to trade down or not. Perhaps I am missing something.

Go Browns!

Sorry. I agree that Higgins isn't better than Landry or OBJ. Not sure where or who is saying otherwise.

Got it.

I think Vers was trying to spin some group narrative or something.

Shocking.

Giggity.

If their tackle is there, they will grab him. If not, I think a trade back is a serious consideration.

Or Simmons (which I doubt). I expect our FO to play this draft conservatively, but still impart their approach. If our guy is not there at #10, sure, trade down a bit. I do believe it is quite likely that we trade back up into the bottom of the 1st using our 2nd and one of our 3rd's...

versatile, if you could direct me to that conversation I would like to put anyone who thinks Higgins is better than Jarvis and obj on my ignore list. thanks

Fl, if we pick there at 10 we get either a starting left tackle (Thomas) or a starting d tackle (brown). I do not see how we can pass that up.

Because no one actually knows if either of those players will be good in the NFL.

I think it all depends (obviously) on who is on the board and what the offer is.

Basically it boils down to something like - which improves the team more? And then you have dozens of potential scenarios:

- Thomas -or- Josh Jones & Patrick Queen ?
- Thomas -or- Delphit and Kinlaw ?
- Thomas -or- Austin Jackson and Queen and Chinn ?
- Brown/Thomas -or- Ezra Cleveland, Winfield and Jonah Jackson?


There was an argument made that our OL last year was not as bad as most thought ... we have 1 huge upgrade at RT. If we added an interior upgrade like Jonah Jackson with a 2nd round pick .... and then got the 6-7-8-9th best OT who might be better at run blocking than pass protection .... I think it's fair to say that OL is going to be light years ahead of what we had 2019.... and it gives us a ton of options at 10 including trading down.

Just talking out loud as I'm very intrigued by all the directions we could go in.

I wouldn't trade up. If a player we have highly rated is there at #10 then take him. However, if the players we have rated high are not there at 10 then I would trade down but no lower than the 20-25 range. It all depends what our board looks like and how we have guys rated.

There's a difference in how the OL played as an overall unit and how each position was measured. Both of our OT positions were horrible. IMO the worst of all was LT. The best of the worst of them was Gregg Robinson. And if that's the best we had, that should speak volumes in how much an upgrade is needed there.

The problem is, we have nobody to play that position now. It's not like we have a couple of years to develop a guy into becoming a starter. There are a couple of options out there. I mean a 38 year old Jason Peters is out there. People may disagree with me, but at 38 I'm not even sure he will be any better than Robinson was.

Then you have Trent Williams. But man, that's going to take a lot of money and assets. No, something has to be done to address a starting LT.

Agreed, good sir Agreed.

We can't just look at it as the draft assets, we also have to look at it as financial assets and future financial planning

j/c:

A reminder. The Browns were ranked 17th in pass blocking by PFF last year. That's not great. However, it is not as awful as board members make it out to be.

j/c:

Eh, i'm not a huge PFF guy. A lot of what i go by is what i see.

The offense as a whole was a mess. But our tackle positions needed to be upgraded.

One has been done. The other, needs to be done.



I am fine with the RG situation. I dunno why people bring that up. I liked Wyatt Teller. And i'd like to see what Drew Forbes can do


EDIT: That hit Bud Dupree put on Baker in the second Steelers game was enough for me. It was against Justin McCray, but still. I saw that and said, okay that can't happen again. In all the years of Joe Thomas, i never saw our QB get blindside hit like that. I've seen Colt McCoy knocked out by James Harrison, but that was on the other side verses like Kevin Schaffer or something.

I wonder if we think Thomas will be taken ... or we prefer a tackle that we know will be available in the teens

At this point, I think it is just doing due-diligence.

Talk to everyone, find out what you can get from them for trading down, then sit and wait for the Draft and see who falls to you.

I think it may hint that we don't view there as being 4 or 5 Top 10 Offensive Tackles, though. I think we perhaps see two that are Top 10 worthy and the rest are, well, lower.

The obvious right strategy every time.

I agree with that - they see 2 and both may not be there (Thomas and Wills, I think). Trade back, pick up some more draft capital and trade back in.

Just get the picks right.

That is absolutely wrong.

If you are drafting #10, and there is a big dropoff between the top 10 players and everyone else, you take the top 10 player. 2 average players do not make up for losing out on an elite player.

The problem with this is thinking you know if a player is elite or not.

Exactly - you are assuming #10 is Elite.

Depending on your definition of an 'elite' player, seldom, if ever, do you get a truly elite player at #10. I'm generalizing here, but each draft has only approx 5 players that can be considered elite. From there down to the end of the 1st round, the quality goes from very good descending to solid starter. There is not a big dropoff once out of the top 10. There of course will be an exception or two that 'fall', but do so for a reason. This is my opinion gleamed from many years of following the draft...

Hopefully that's a smokescreen and they realize the window is now. Talent over bodies matter at this point.

I agree. We are no longer starting a massive rebuilding program, but rather we are at the point of needing to fill/upgrade a few positions. At this point, I'll gladly take 2 quality starters over 6 good-to-journeyman types...

Interesting to note that Seattle has not picked in the 1st rd since 2012. (I heard this on NFL Network this morning and have not confirmed it). Talk about trading down...

I’ll believe it when I see it.

When you suck at evaluating talent like our FO did before Dorsey took over, trading down is probably a good idea because you're most likely going to make a terrible choice anyway.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...nd-#Post1753217

This thread is more you speed.

Everyone sucks at picking players. If you go by the whole draft the league has something like a 30% success rate on picks. The top of the first round is better (around the top eight) as far as hit rate but it's still only around 50%.

If you know you are going to miss on a certain percentage of picks then having more picks is better because you are increasing your chances at drafting a quality player. It's simple probability, you'd rather have three 30% chances instead of one.

As I've said many times I'd trade down every year if I didn't need a QB and there is not a QB I like available. I'd especially trade down if offered a first round pick. Getting those first round picks is so valuable (as we saw with the Texans pick that we got). They are basically a lottery ticket that can turn into a bonanza. Imagine we traded down with the Vikings (who have the 25th pick) and then Kirk Cousins got hurt. They then have to start Sean Mannion and we get a top five pick. We then take a great player with a higher hit rate or trade down and get a boatload of picks.

It seems every year there are 7 to 10 really good to great draftees.After that the drop-off is steady.If we have a chance at a really good to great player then take him. All this trade down crap is 6-10, 7-9 BS.

NFL Network said Denver may trade with the Browns trading #15 for #10 ... NO NO NO

How do you know if you are getting a good to great player?

How come the Patriots always trade down if it’s 6-10/7-9 BS?

Because why?