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There has not been ONE person associated with the Browns STR to say anything even remotely as stupid, arrogant, disrespectful and inappropriate as that quote by King John.

No one else is even close.

I'm not sure what to think about the GW being too strong willed for Dorsey theory. After all, it was at GW's insistence that we draft Denzel. That's a lot of trust to have in a guy you don't think you can work with.

GW has a strong personality no doubt, but I think it may be more likely that given the hype surrounding Freddie at the time, and being Dorsey's first HC hire, that maybe he just wanted to make more of a splash?

Baker Mayfield says to hold his microphone.

Devil, I am not saying if it is true or not. I just wanted to be fair. I was pointing out that Wylie trashed the Sashi FO, so I thought it would be fair to point out that he made that comment about Dorsey and GW.

Ha! Yeah, Baker and KJ are kindred spirits in that regard, so to say.

Diam and Vers,
I'm not saying that KJ was the only strong personality in either building. These are NFL FOs. You're going to have strong personalities all over. So yeah, Reid and others in KC definitely bear part of the blame for him getting booted from KC.

I just don't think it's correct to demonize DePo for some of this stuff. The person ever feeding power struggles in Berea is Haslam.

Did you think I was demonizing Depo? That wasn't my intent. I tried to say I understood his position. I'm just tired of people slamming Dorsey's character.

I don't know if it's fair or not. But let's be factual. He is the only constant that's been here the entire time. But you're probably right. It's been everyone but him.

No, but others are. What you did say was that that DePo was working behind the scenes to get KJ's role minimized or him removed. My opinion is that DePo isn't the person to execute a coup. I don't think that because I know him, but because there is one person in Berea that (time and time again) has almost actively encouraged power struggles to unravel FOs. That's Haslam.

Is whispering in the owners ears over all this time considered a coup? Because somehow Depo is still here going on the third regime. This time getting the HC of his choice.

Here is the quote, just so I can keep what was/wasn't said straight. I disagree with the main crux behind what you're saying:

-DePo resented Dorsey enough to actively work on his ousting
-DePo desires increased power within the org

I wouldn't be surprised if DePo didn't particularly like working with KJ, but saying that that means he campaigned to get him gone isn't likely. I think it would be more likely that DePo would just quit.

I think Haslam signed on to The Plan to tank and acquire many high draft picks, and then couldn't stand the losing and pulled the plug, and some high-profile picks made by Sashi & Co not working out made it clear Sashi had to go.

I think Hue got a bit of a longer leash given the talent he was given, but still didn't show enough as a coach to merit surviving 1-31. How the team did after he and Haley were let go proves that was a good move.

I think KJ got let go largely because his choice of HC failing spectacularly, and his unwillingness to take a lesser role for hiring the next HC. That lesser role also would've had the HC reporting not to him but Haslam (which has worked oh-so-well in the past).


I think DePo had minimal, if any, role in these decisions. As I said before, there IS someone in the building that has encouraged this type of power struggle (Haslam).

Yet somehow, Depo ends up with the HC he wanted. Somehow he's still here going on the third regime since he arrived. I find it very hard to dismiss him getting his preferred HC as him just being some cog in the wheel. Haslam has made it clear he listens to many voices. Yet out of all the voices he listens to, Depo is the one who has managed to stick around.

I have no way of knowing - but maybe Depo has been the guy in Jimmy's organization that has been the most consistently correct with his calls and opinions even when those calls/opinions weren't followed? I'm not even suggesting that's what has happened - but wouldn't that be a more likely explanation that Depo being a some sort of super slime ball who is constantly undermining his 'opponents' who vie for power within the front office? ... If the guy was making intelligent contributions that were proved correct with hindsight, wouldn't that be a good reason to keep him?

It is the far more likely reason, but it isn't nearly as entertaining.

QFT

The common sense hypothesis that some people refuse to acknowledge.

I agree with that assessment. Depo has been the one constant through all of this. Maybe he is the smartest guy in the room.

Rob Lowder
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The #49ers have made the following players available for trade, per
@mlombardiNFL
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- DE Dee Ford
- LB Kwon Alexander
- S Jaquiski Tartt
- WR Marquise Goodwin

The team is light on draft capital and strapped for cash, but Ford, Alexander and Tartt all on the block is unexpected.

Any interest in Alexander or Ford or Tartt?

I would inquire about Kwon Alexander.

Tartt too.

Ya ... your spot on .. great insight ... it’s definitely in the thief’s mo to do the common sense thing ... now thats a hypothesis ... ...

Okay. But, you ignore the Dorsey is a bum, a gorilla, can't work w/others comments.

Fine, I get it. Have a good one.

You do realize that the basis of your whole argument (DePo still being employed by the Browns) could get wiped out by one Haslam temper tantrum?

Yup, I ignore it. Why would I dignify it with a response?

Nobody has time to address every single "out there" comment on here. I do enjoy responding to comments that I might not agree with, but seem like they were posted in good faith and I think are in the spirit of good conversation.

Fair enough. That makes sense. I was perplexed because unlike that group, you seem like a fair-minded, honest person.

The only thing I'll say about calling them out at times is that they say the same stupid, lying BS so many times that there are actually posters who believe those things. Since this forum is public, it's probably best we try to be as honest as possible. Opinions vary, but spreading false information has long been something I have tried to fight against.

Here is one example of why it's important that we try to be honest. You probably have recognized that I do a lot of research. I can't tell you how many times this site has popped up in the Results page of a topic I am researching. People probably read some of this stuff. So, while all of our opinions might differ on subjects, I think we should try and be honest about things. I also believe we should differentiate between when we are stating facts and when we are offering our opinions.


Oh, and one more time...........sorry that I misunderstood your intent. I think you are a good poster. That is why I was a bit upset. My fault.

*you're
*that's
Yet he's a billionaire owner of a sports team and you're typing on Dawgtalkers. Gotcha.

Dude, you put QFT to a post that said something about Depo being a super slime ball. That particular post also said that Depo might have been consistently correct in his calls.

First off, who called Depo a "super slime ball?" I can show you examples of people calling Dorsey a "gorilla." A guy who is not a team player. Etc, etc.

You black and white viewing people drive me nuts.

Your comment about common sense lacks sense.

You made your comments and didn't even consider he roster decisions. This team is far more talented due to Dorsey's moves than before he got here. I readily acknowledge he had assets acquired by the previous regime. See......that's called unbiased commenting. However, he made very good choices. The previous regime did not draft well. Dorsey made some great trades. We got Landry for a 4th. Randall for Kizer. We actually were smart enough to draft a qb at number 1 when we didn't have one instead of passing on qb after qb.

Hurry up, Fate. You have been typing that reply for over 15 minutes. How long can it take? I am ready to go to bed w/a book before crashing for the night. But, I do want to read your reply for a laugh before bedtime.

That. was. not. the. conversation. I don't need to analyze a roster just because you said to.

I'll break it down for you since you struggle with comprehension. I don't know why, you'll just ignore it and create another strawman:

I have no way of knowing - but maybe Depo has been the guy in Jimmy's organization that has been the most consistently correct with his calls and opinions even when those calls/opinions weren't followed?

* What he's saying is that there are many decisions, opinions, pieces of advice, etc, that we are not privy to. Maybe DePo is right way more than he is ever wrong but we don't know because we're not in the room. Keeping up so far?

I'm not even suggesting that's what has happened - but wouldn't that be a more likely explanation that Depo being a some sort of super slime ball who is constantly undermining his 'opponents' who vie for power within the front office? ...

* He's saying there's a strong possibility that DePo is...
A. A respected member of the FO who has proven his worth on a professional basis rather than -
B. A power-hungry, back-stabbing stooge that undermines everyone in the organization while also having the wool pulled over Jimmy's eyes to the fact that he is doing so.
Still good?

If the guy was making intelligent contributions that were proved correct with hindsight, wouldn't that be a good reason to keep him?

* He's pointing out more possibilities of facts that we're not privy to. Given the possibility, over time, that DePo is very adept at predicting problems, and his predictions come to pass, it would be pretty wise to keep him by your side. We would have no idea if this is true because Jimmy never gets on stage and says "Paul told me that would be a mistake but I didn't listen".
Comprende?

Again. Just because you think the conversation should be different means nothing. This is a message board, not your classroom.

Now, go ahead and respond with something that has NOTHING to do with the conversation.

LOL..............now I see why it took so long.

So, roster decisions are not important when it comes to making to being correct over a period of time? Got it. Yet, you are okay w/people saying things like Dorsey is a gorilla and can't work w/others.

Fate, you don't get to dictate what the conversation is. I think the problem is Haslam and have said so numerous times. I don't think it is fair to put all the blame on Dorsey and elevate Depo. I would not think that doing the opposite is fair, either........but, no one is doing that. Only low hanging fruit like you are suggesting otherwise.

And man.........how did it really take you that long to compose that?

If the 49ers were willing to cover about half of his contract, sure.

I doubt we'd take on his contract considering we didn't want to pay Schobert, though. I like the player. But not the money or his recent-ish health.

I agree. That has to be the reason. He provides information on who stand the best chance of being a good player. He doesn't make the choices, he just provides information on who could be a better selection. Haslam see that information and why Depo is still here while others have flamed out....or, been snuffed out.

I agree, Depo isn't some snake in the grass, here to cause discourse and turmoil. I have never met the man, but he seems pretty transparent to me.

I think we are fortunate to have the guy.

Sure you can. You might not know what you are talking about, but you can.

Late round picks are crap shoots. UDFA are lower. To say a team "missed" on a player implies that there was a better than average chance that the player would be successful.

They took a chance on a guy walking the street after the draft. He didn't work out. That is far, far more likely to happen with an UDFA than it is to have them start and succeed.

I agree. I am not sure if you misunderstood my pervious comment.

I will even expound that maybe past round 2 it starts to become a crapshoot. I have long felt if you get 2 solid players per draft, you are doing pretty good. Get 3 or more, you hit the motherlode.

Like trying to change the topic and implying that your post was about suggesting that the roster moves aren't important?

So the guy takes a post and essentially lies about what the post says .... then you very meticulously breakdown the post to show why/how he is lying about the post, point by point .... and he then tries to imply your post says something different than what it does.

Same guy who has been shouting about "lies" non stop recently. Same guy who cries about non-football posts but makes more than anyone. Same guy with the schoolyard "rent free" comments when his BS is highlighted.

If we wait there'll be an outbreak of carefully scripted posts and praise for other posters.... there will be some crying about being a victim .... some crying about bully and ganging up on him. Meanwhile on this thread he's "ganging up" on a poster and mocking them for a comment about "common sense" ... we might get some more hate for Baker brought up in every non-Baker thread and another #cantwaittillheisgone

You can't make this stuff up - and no doubt soon it will all be deleted and he'll repeat the cycle in 7-10 days.

Still in your head. Last thing at night. First thing in the morning. LMAO

I forget the stats - but it supports what you say. By round 3 it's something like a 15% chance of picking a player who will contribute to the team as a starter or quality back up. . . . actually found a link.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015...n/#5e37f707495b

1) Correlation between Draft Position and "Starter Status"

Using Pro Football Reference as a resource, I looked at all players who were classified as starters at the beginning of the 2014 season to determine what round they were drafted in upon entering the league. Of the 595 players designated as such, the results reveal the following:

Round Freq. Percent Cuml
1 178 29.9 29.9
2 104 17.5 47.4
3 75 12.6 60.0
4 64 10.8 70.8
5 38 6.4 77.2
6 29 4.9 82.0
7 25 4.2 86.2
Undrafted 81 13.6 99.8
Supplemental 1 0.2 100.0
Total 595 100


It's why the theory is the more bites of the cherry you have the better the chance you have of helping your team. I do agree there is always a handful of elites at the top of the board who have a significantly higher probability - and deeper statistical analysis of the 1st round and position taken shows that .... maybe as a numbers guy this is why Depo has been part of front offices that have a strong bias of trading down ... be interesting to see with a much better roster to work from whether we see the same this year.

No one called Depo a snake in the grass or a super slime ball. That is just fabricated BS.

What I did was present an alternative view of how things may have went down instead of the one put out by guys like you, cfrs, and others...........who have used words like "gorilla" to describe Dorsey and constantly tell everyone that he couldn't work well others and was a source of dysfunction.

May or may not happen before or after the draft

LOL...........I was amazed by how definitive she was.