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Also gotta love all the fake ass self described “preppers” in this country.

Guaranteed that those clown ass protesters are some of the same ones claiming they’ve been waiting for days like this.

And shout out to all the essential workers out there.

All the loser conservatives claimed y’all didn’t deserve 15 dollars an hour, but now y’all gotta risk y’all lives to flip burgers for these oxy addicted morons who claimed y’all need to find a better job cause youre takers.

Hope all you clowns who hate socialism returned them stimulus checks back to the government as well.

Telling people when and how they can "feel freedom" is the exact opposite of freedom.

You and I may not agree on much, but I do know you have more sense than to take such an authoritarian viewpoint. Consideration for the Constitution is even more important during times like these because you need a fixed point to be grounded to.

Let me ask you guys this: these protesters are so stupid, and selfish, and such a deadly threat defined by your own fears, just how far are you willing to go to have those Orders enforced?

And this is actually a sincere question. A lot cops I know are very uncomfortable with these orders because the Constitutionality and legal justification isn't obviously clear. My own department can't even articulate to us the justification. We're only told we are "obligated" to enforce them.

So seriously, as a citizen who pays my salary, what do you want us to do?
Mass arrests?
Should I be fining and arresting anyone I see less than 6ft apart?
Right now the only people authorized to travel are "essential" workers and people doing "essential" things like going to the grocery store. The only way to enforce that is by setting up check points or pulling everyone I see driving over and asking for their papers.
My fridge is full for the week, but I need a 12 pack of beer. When I go to the store should there be a cop reviewing my grocery list and determining if it's acceptable before allowing me to enter?
If we're arbitrarily capping how many people that can be in a store at one time, why aren't we making and enforcing a list of items for sale that are deemed "essential" and prohibiting the sale of everything else?

Most of those preppers are Call of Duty heroes... we may as well have given Bernie Dictator for Life for his birthday if we have to rely on those dodo birds.

They still don't deserve $15/hr to flip a burger

And its not socialism to accept my money that the gov't is returning to me. Anyone who would give more money to the gov't than they absolutely need to is an idiot.

If you are law enforcement, then you whole job and check are a form of socialism. You might even say you owe your life to it. And YES stimulus checks are absolutely socialism.

Dude your salary is tax payer funded if you don’t get your
ass up out of here with that BS

A one-time check during a health crisis is not socialism. Hell, when all is said and done, that $1200 check will barely make a dent for many people.

Following it up with UBI, on the other hand....

And yes I agree that they’re mostly COD heroes.

See we can agree on something.

Oh and yea I might be throwing insults but I’m glad everyone on DT is still alive.

Covid spreading has nothing to do with black people in my neighborhood, other than they spend all their time socializing and partying while this is going on.

Face to face I think we'd agree on quite a bit or at least be a lot closer on things than we get in to on here. You're a lot more practical and pragmatic than I think you get credit for.

i think you and i would agree on quite a bit.

but wheres the fun in that on a message board? CHAOS.

That's how Orange Man Bad operates...

Be honest dude I bet you put on a blonde toupe' and paint your face orange when it comes to sexy time with the missus...

as i gently whisper into her ear:

"you know, many people are saying i have large hands, bigly hands, and anything else you hear is just fake news"

You wear a mask into the bank yet? I went to Trumpian-mart the other day in a hoodie with a black medical mask on... Felt like ANTIFA.

yep.

but im not threatening. nobody thinks a guy is gonna rob a place in flip fops and b ball shorts on.

You get excited by dressing up as a dubiously gendered domestic terrorist? Everyone's got a fetish I guess. But who am I to judge.. get freaky the way you like to get freaky LOL

Georgia's numbers do not look anywhere near good enough to start re-opening.

And from the guidance from the wh was that there was supposed to be 3 stages and most of these states couldn't even get to the first stage by mid to late May

Barr: Some governors' action 'infringes on a fundamental right' during coronavirus

Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday that some state governors’ efforts to fight the coronavirus “infringes on a fundamental right” of American residents.

Barr said in an interview on “The Hugh Hewitt Show” that state governments in the U.S. need to “do a better job” of ensuring coronavirus restrictions are “properly targeted” and do not unnecessarily infringe on constitutional rights. He added that the country is currently facing “unprecedented burdens on civil liberties.”

“When a governor acts, especially when a governor does something that intrudes upon or infringes on a fundamental right or a Constitutional right, they’re bounded by that,” the attorney general said. “And those situations are emerging around the country, to some extent.”

The attorney general said the government needs time to adapt during a crisis and has the responsibility to “tailor its approach” after initially issuing potentially “blunt” restrictions. Barr said since the country has had time to flatten the curve of coronavirus cases, it is now time for the government to adjust the original restrictions.

Barr said the stay-at-home orders are “disturbingly close to house arrest” but added, “I’m not saying it wasn’t justified.”

“We didn’t adopt them as the comprehensive way of dealing with this disease,” he said. “And we are now seeing that these are bending the curve, and now we have to come up with more targeted approaches.”

The attorney general said asking people to keep six feet apart, to wash their hands and wear personal protective equipment in public “are fine.”

He also called President Trump’s plan to allow governors to reopen their states a “very commonsensical approach,” adding that he has acted “well within the traditional rules of law.”

Barr’s comments come as governors are taking more steps to reopen after the coronavirus pandemic shuttered their economies. President Trump said on Sunday that some governors have “gone too far” in their restrictions to reduce the coronavirus spread.

But health experts warn that reopening states too early could result in a resurgence of cases. The U.S. has documented the most cases and deaths in the world, with at least 788,920 cases and at least 42,458 fatalities, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...al-right-during

I'll paraphrase Marco Rubio in a recent Dave Rubin interview: he said that the gov't will always err on the side of public health and safety, but you also have to understand you can only push a society so far before people start to resist or stop complying all together.

We will be the guinea pigs I guess. I'm sure if it doesnt work they will reclose the businesses.

Unfortunately someone's got to be. I don't think we're going to be able to get an accurate idea of how effective these measures and restrictions truly are until we start pushing the envelope and find out where that line is.

And the second wave will closely follow.

It's odd how many people think that the original death count of between 120,000 and 240,000 deaths is so much better than the second model of 61,000.

Oh really you fat, stupid, piece of human flesh (barr not oldcold lol)Just where does it say somebody has the fundamental right to kill others???? OK I better make sure I say outside of abortion

I'm still of the belief that some of these protestors are paid actors... Isn't that what the Right told us about kids protesting about Guns?

First off, you can stop with the "fear" BS. having common sense isn't fear. If I see a mass shooting taking place, the fact that I don't walk into the cross fire doesn't mean I'm in fear. It means I don't have a death wish.

But yes it is stupid. How far would I go to enforce them? Actually I see it as natural selection. I think they should all give each other a big hug to show their support for one another. The actual victims will be their loved ones and family that will pay the price for their stupidity. How far would you be willing to go to protect the innocent victims of their stupidity?



Even though it seems you are forced to do it reluctantly, thanks for helping to save the life of so many. By the way, there wasn't a question in this part of your post.



I guess, as you've stated, you should so your duty in accordance with what you've been ordered to do by your department. I don't live in your community or state, therefore I play no role in paying your salary. I have never agreed with the prohibition of marijuana either, but I'm fully aware that the law will be enforced.

Neither you nor I are attorneys. Nor are we well versed in constitutional law. That's up to the courts. So in the mean time I think it would be your duty to uphold protocol.



They do that with DUI's all the time. Let's not be selective.



This is a rather foolish point of view. If you have a need to go to a store, you can buy what you want while getting what you need.

Same as the beer. If you lack the common sense to stock up on your beer while buying you groceries, maybe you should learn from your mistake rather than use it as an excuse to make a special trip to buy beer.

Consider it a learning experience and move on.

Experience is that thing you get right after you needed it.

I'm all for beginning to re-open things, as much as it makes reasonable sense to do so in a manner that will not cause another spike that could swamp our hospitals. There does not need to be only two camps of thought where we either remain in lockdown or we open it all up..... there IS a happy middle ground that we can ride, but it won't be easy. It CAN be done, however - and should be done.

These governors are opening way too much way too quickly, in my layman's opinion. They are absolutely going to regret it and will have to backtrack, for sure.

I don't know about you, but I'm finding it hard for my shopping to keep up with my drinking these days, no matter how much I buy.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

This suggests Georgia hit the peak already, so we would be a good test before other states start phase 1.

And I think we are pretty much in the same place here. It's why so many of these protests make no sense. Many of the places they are happening don't even meet the guidelines that have been put in place. Trump supporting such actions goes against the very experts that present parts of his own daily briefings.

Yes, our nation will have to open up. And there are responsible ways it can be done to mitigate the damage and observe the results, where it can either move forward or be scaled back. I'm all for that.

There was a time I drank in mass quantity. The last time I had a drink was with GM years ago. A couple of 24 ounce draft beers. But when I did drink, I knew how much I needed until the next week.

I just hope the careless will at least take time to put on masks. Good luck.

DAMN ROOKIE

Up until a couple years ago, I consumed significantly more. Then, I just kinda eased off and drank less over the course of the week. I did that just for a "let's start up some healthier practices" before I start getting older.

But since I've been at home, my drinking has shot up like crazy. The more I buy, the more I drink. :-p Being able to go back into work will be good for my liver.

Yesterday was the lamest 4/20.

Ever. Screw this virus.

We are providing PhD material to countless students of public health courses.

All of these scenarios were exactly that....scenarios.

It will be interesting to see the results of which approaches worked best.

Unfortunately, we are the "guinea pigs" for the evaluation.

There will be a balance between the loss of life, and the loss of economic activity. No one really knows the answer.

You should have come down to visit me. Far from lame

I read an article the other day where they were interviewing a wine/liquor store owner in which he said he's seeing customers that used to place 3 or 4 orders per month are now ordering wine/liquor 3 or 4 times per week.

He said, "everyday feel like New Year's Eve." Lol

Study finds no benefit, higher death rate in patients taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19

trump is a moron.

Speak for yourself, I actually am fairly well versed in Constitutional law. Definitely not to the degree I could argue before the Supreme Court, but in terms of reasonable suspicion, probable cause... the basics required in order to make arrests and charges.. definitely.

Literally every other law I enforce, every charge I make, I am responsible for understanding what I am charging. If I don't, but arrest people anyway, how can that be ethical police work? If I get on the stand and don't understand or can't articulate my actions, the case gets thrown out and then get criticized by folks like the ones here for poor police work if not being corrupt outright.

I understand the thought process of when in doubt, just go with what my superiors are telling me to do, worst case scenario, I can blame it on them. Problem is, "just following orders" often gets us labeled as Nazis.. from both sides depending on the issue.

Plus, isn't that setting the bar a little low? There's plenty of examples of departments and agencies who become corrupt. Police accountability starts with that individual officer the moment they pin that badge on.

Marijuana, I get where you are going with that, but this isn't about whether or not a law is popular. There's arguments for and against legalization that would be Constitutional. Legalization is going to be more a reflection of the changing societal attitudes towards it, and once we hit a point where a plurality of states have fully legalized it I wouldn't be surprised if SCOTUS strikes down some of the Federal laws around it.

DUI's... no, we can't legally stop a car for the simple fact its driving down the road. There has to be some other observation, typically a violation to justify the stop. Except for checkpoints which I totally disagree with. I don't like the concept of stopping someone for literally no other reason than they happened to be driving that way.

My point with the beer is that a lot of these restrictions are based on inconsistent definitions of "essential". Laws should be consistent and as well defined as possible.

Look, I've left myself open to the idea that these orders are indeed necessary and there is a justified lawful basis. I recognize we are in uncharted waters I don't generally begrudge people who have to make tough, timely decisions based on what they know at that time.

At the end of the day I am truly lucky to work with the people I do on the ground level. We have conversations all the time about SCOTUS rulings, how we investigate, we have functionally a checks and balances with each other because we show up on scene and walk each other through what we have, what we intend, ask each others opinions, etc. We've even butted heads with superiors in the past who wanted to play fast and loose with citizens rights.

But do I trust my higher ups? Absolutely not. Its much more likely that we'll play in the gray area and claim "qualified immunity" if these actions turn out to be ruled unConstitutional versus coming to our own determination and taking a stand, especially if that stand is "no", or simply "we need more justification.

I've seriously been wracking my brain trying to figure out who I can go to get additional clarification without risking damage to my career (I need 4 people to retire than I can make Detective. I won't have that chance again for 4 years, probably longer if I'm blacklisted).

In any event, I'm out for a couple days. I sincerely do hope you and yours are well. I don't want anymore people hurt from this whether due to sickness or economic factors any more than you do.