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In RAC's press conference on Oct 3rd, he was posed an interesting question by one of the reporters...
Reporter: "Could you review what your role was as the defensive coordinator? How hands on Belichick was in your operation; how much of it he wanted you to do yourself and let you do yourself."
RAC: "He let me do all of it. I installed the game plans, I decided who would play, I made the calls and... that was it."
I wonder if that answers the many questions posed on here about just how much RAC had to do with the highly successful defense at New England.
To me, it certainly dispells the assumptions by some that he was no more than a puppet controlled by Belichick.
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To me, it certainly dispells the assumptions by some that he was no more than a puppet controlled by Belichick.
Some people don't like to give credit when it's due, and b/c of that a lot of ignorant comments are made by people that know absolutely nothing that went on.. Then they want to defend their assumptions based on assumptions..
If the Browns can win 9 games, Romeo will be coach of the year..
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If the Browns can win 9 games, Romeo will be coach of the year..
Unfortunatly, Chud will be the great coach and RAC will be the one who rode his shirt tale to many.
really I dont care who gets credit for winning....Just WIN
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Here's the deal DD.. IF someone doesn't think RAC is good enough to be HC,, then they will simply dismiss RAC's comments about who ran the Defensive show in NE..
Whats really funny about that is that Belichick has shown no big propensity for hanging on to people that aren't above and beyond ability wise.. But yet, some will say he hung on to RAC.. Cracks me up.
Clay,, If the Browns win 9 games,, Chud may be a good part of the reason, but he won't be the only reason,,, RAC and Granthum will be a big part of it also,, in terms of the coaching anyway..
If we win 9 games, RAC would deserve Coach of the Year! Or at the very least, some serious consideration...
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Clay,, If the Browns win 9 games,, Chud may be a good part of the reason, but he won't be the only reason,,, RAC and Granthum will be a big part of it also,, in terms of the coaching anyway..
I agree, wasnt disputing anything, just adding in what the masses would be screaming 
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I wonder if that answers the many questions posed on here about just how much RAC had to do with the highly successful defense at New England. To me, it certainly dispells the assumptions by some that he was no more than a puppet controlled by Belichick.
Course not Ddubia because U got the "Peen-hang Rac club" (Membership about 5) who will insist he's a puppet or a tool..and can't make decisions..
The other posters will chime in and follow Peen's lead..and a few others will ride that fence ..they'll agree with him one minute, then read this article and agree with what it says..so it's not going to settle anything ..
But what others need to get a grip on..NE had and HAS defensive talent ..we don't have that kind of talent yet.
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I'm one of the masses  .. After four games I submit 80% Chud and you can divide the other 20% up  .. Whoa , I'm one of the masses , how cool is that for a change ! 
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That's great.
As Daman said...that doesn't mean too much.
Bud Carson was a great D coordinator...a innovator really...something RAC wasn't....and he wasn't exactly a good head coach.
If RAC improves as a head coach, I am all for it.
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is it really the offensive coordinator? or is it the offensive line?!!!
THEY are the ones who deserve the MOST credit... not a coordinator..
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Wasn't Bud Carson fired because Art wasn't patient enough to handle the inevitable rebuilding process, after having those strong late-80s teams?
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There you go muddying up a thread with facts. 
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People can't distinguish facts from opinions around here..didn't U know that? 
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Wasn't Bud Carson fired because Art wasn't patient enough to handle the inevitable rebuilding process, after having those strong late-80s teams?
Who knows with Art??
All I know is the team sucked and Carson sure as heck didn't answer anything.
If you don't like him, use Norv Turner or any other hotshot assistant who finally got a head gig and flopped.
It happens all the time. Probably more often than not.
When you get down to it, the number of good NFL head coaches is fairly small compared to the number of guys who couldn't get it done.
This isn't about not knowing the game or what needs to be done. It is about being able to get it done. That requires skill...which all have....good timing...which many don't...and making good player and coaching selections.
Like I said....my mind isn't closed to almost anything...especially a simple issue such as football.
It is all about the winning. I don't care if real coaches or wannabe coaches(fans) like it or not.
Bottom line.
If Romeo continues to field a winning team, he can stay. If not, toss him aside and try someone new.
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Wasn't Bud Carson fired because Art wasn't patient enough to handle the inevitable rebuilding process, after having those strong late-80s teams?
Bud Carson...."Offensive lineman are a dime a dosen"....i'll never forget when he said that, right there he should have been fired, that attitude lead to his demise, we gave up record sacks that year.
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j/k I'll start this by saying I want nothing more than to need to change my sig. I find it funny that posters will call out others as being in a lynch-mob or for hating on a guy like RAC whenever they comment that maybe he isn't the guy for THIS job. Maybe...just maybe...those of us who think RAC isn't cutting it think that way for valid reasons. No agenda...no hate...just a simple evaluation of how he has performed. You may think RAC should stay - that doesn't mean I feel the need to try and de-value your opinion. We would simply disagree. I am more than willing to throw out his first two years and begin anew in my evaluation of RAC. We are 2-2 and could be even better...we have more talent...we have seen a guy like Edwards do a 180 (without the motorcycle )...we figured out how to Win last week instead of how to lose...I see improvement. Now, I'm not willing to change my sig just yet and I'm not voting for RAC as Coach of Week. BUT, maybe he is learning how to be an effective HC...maybe he has always known how and the guys are just now getting it...I dunno. What I do know is this: I expect this team to be ready to play all game every game; I expect the best players to play; I expect to see a team take advantage of their strengths; I expect to see a team make adjustments when something isn't working; I expect to see a team that is disciplined and knows what the heck it is doing...or at least trying to do. I leave the X's and O's to guys who really understand them...I like reading about it because I sure as heck don't see it without it being pointed out. When I do not see the things I expect to see, I believe it is due to a lack of leadership and coaching. When I read about how our D guys aren't lined up properly I throw up in my mouth. I wouldn't know if they were lined up properly or not...but, you have got to be kidding me. We can't get that right?! Sounds like coaching again. When a team figures out that the game started at 1:00pm and not 2:00pm like they have acted, I throw up again. Look...I'm willing to concede that the talent hasn't been good. I'm willing to concede that we have a relatively young team. But we should ALWAYS be able to do the things I expect to see - as listed above - and a simple X and O issue like "alignment" should be something that we have a problem with in pre-season...not in the 3rd game of the year. When we can't get these things right...I think the problem is coaching. Maybe I'm wrong about that...I REAAAAALLY want to be wrong about that. I just don't think I am. Again, I want RAC to become the greatest coach ever in the history of football. Just because I don't think he can even be "serviceable" doesn't make me a hater or a fire RAC Fan Club member. I just want the Browns to WIN.
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I find it funny that posters will call out others as being in a lynch-mob or for hating on a guy like RAC whenever they comment that maybe he isn't the guy for THIS job.
Wrong..when you make a accusation say it like it is..People can say they don't fill he's the right man.
Thats not the issue..
Thats not why I call out certain posters..if U read , you'll see why certain people call out other people..
Maybe...just maybe...those of us who think RAC isn't cutting it think that way for valid reasons. No agenda...no hate...just a simple evaluation of how he has performed.
Maybe some of U don't have a bias..but some of U do and those posters make it known because they don't want to see any other factors involved and will ignore facts as they are presented..so don't try and cover everyone else..cover yourself..
If you don't have a agenda fine..but I know some that do and others KNOW it too..
You may think RAC should stay - that doesn't mean I feel the need to try and de-value your opinion. We would simply disagree.
I find it funny some of you try to spin it that we're devaluing a opinion when the opinion thats posted has nothing to back it up..and I ain't going into specifics about who said what..I just know when facts are presented and people choose to disregard it because they don't want to see anything else they'll get called out..
I'm not going to water down the mess I see nor go along with it just to appease other people so they don't feel threatened..
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I find it funny some of you try to spin it that we're devaluing a opinion when the opinion thats posted has nothing to back it up..and I ain't going into specifics about who said what..I just know when facts are presented and people choose to disregard it because they don't want to see anything else they'll get called out..
I'm not going to water down the mess I see nor go along with it just to appease other people so they don't feel threatened..
There are facts that would indicate he is not making it as a head coach just as there are facts that are indicating he is doing some good things, and maybe, just maybe getting better over time as he evolves into the job.
But to say that people who don't believe he is doing are good job are ignoring the facts is an assinine statement.
People that have blind faith are just as bad as those who always negative.
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It's not about "blind faith". It's about inventing conspiracy theories at every turn to somehow paint RAC in a negative light, never giving him credit for ANYTHING, and just flat out having an agenda. There's a difference between criticism and a witch hunt. If you're not one that's in a witch hunt, then those statements don't apply. Obviously, there are some that are.
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I find it funny that posters will call out others as being in a lynch-mob or for hating on a guy like RAC whenever they comment that maybe he isn't the guy for THIS job.
Wrong..when you make a accusation say it like it is..People can say they don't fill he's the right man.
Thats not the issue..
Thats not why I call out certain posters..if U read , you'll see why certain people call out other people..
When discussing RAC, what in the world IS the issue if NOT ultimately about whether he is the right guy for this job?
Also, why do you say crap like "if U read"? I gotta tell you my fellow Browns fan. You are the last guy on this board who should EVER say that. I try and follow your point, but all too often you seem to be either responding to someone other than whom you are relying to...OR...you just don't read very closely what SOME people post.
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Maybe...just maybe...those of us who think RAC isn't cutting it think that way for valid reasons. No agenda...no hate...just a simple evaluation of how he has performed.
Maybe some of U don't have a bias..but some of U do and those posters make it known because they don't want to see any other factors involved and will ignore facts as they are presented..so don't try and cover everyone else..cover yourself..
If you don't have a agenda fine..but I know some that do and others KNOW it too..
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You may think RAC should stay - that doesn't mean I feel the need to try and de-value your opinion. We would simply disagree.
I find it funny some of you try to spin it that we're devaluing a opinion when the opinion thats posted has nothing to back it up..and I ain't going into specifics about who said what..I just know when facts are presented and people choose to disregard it because they don't want to see anything else they'll get called out..
Nothing to back it up? Again, are you not reading what is posted? I see plenty of pro-RAC and anti-RAC posts on here. Darn near EVERY one of them lists reasons why the poster thinks as they do. You seem to ignore everything that you disagree with and move on.
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I don't think anyone on a message board feels threatened.
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There are facts that would indicate he is not making it as a head coach just as there are facts that are indicating he is doing some good things, and maybe, just maybe getting better over time as he evolves into the job.
Yeah...and I have no problem with debates like that..
But to say that people who don't believe he is doing are good job are ignoring the facts is an assinine statement.
It is a assinine statement ..and one I didn't make..that's another example of NOT READING what was posted..
Now go back and read what I said again...you'll find U made a mistake trying to quote me.........
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When discussing RAC, what in the world IS the issue if NOT ultimately about whether he is the right guy for this job?
It's HOW IT'S debated..if someone presents their view and they feel he's not the man..then give reasons why..as Coach said when you have some giving a conspiracy theory and then totally disregarding facts that counter that theory then it's a agenda..
Can you understand that?
Also, why do you say crap like "if U read"? I gotta tell you my fellow Browns fan. You are the last guy on this board who should EVER say that. I try and follow your point, but all too often you seem to be either responding to someone other than whom you are relying to...OR...you just don't read very closely what SOME people post.
Crap...? I'm the first person who should say it because U and another person I just responded to either misquote me or don't read the post to see whom I'm calling out and why..VERY SELDOM DO I ever misquote anyone ..(copy-n-paste usually works) and if I make a error on the reply to poster I'm typing faster than I'm checking and it's not often that happens either..
Cover everyone else...cover myself? What are you talking about?
I said it plain as day..if you can't figure it out I sure ain't gonna repeat or break it down..
Nothing to back it up? Again, are you not reading what is posted? I see plenty of pro-RAC and anti-RAC posts on here. Darn near EVERY one of them lists reasons why the poster thinks as they do. You seem to ignore everything that you disagree with and move on.
Once more U are the one not reading or comprehending my remark ....
Look I'll make this easy..if Peen/Pit/ or whoever posts his conspiracy theory about Phil vs Rac or just Rac ( with NO facts to back it up) and then someone posts something that is a fact to dispute it and they still disregard that ..those aren't valid reasons Willie those are just people who have a agenda..and U can try to protect that but it's wrong.
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I will always admire Bud Carson for that 51-0 arse whoopin he put on the steelers. We absolutely ruined "the next Earl Campbell" Tim Worley by making him fumble so many times in that game.
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As Daman said...that doesn't mean too much.
That's a bit out of context,, I was saying that it doesn't matter because some will say that RAC was just a lacky for Belichick no matter what RAC himself might say...
In RAC's tenure here in Cleveland as his first DC job, he was innovative enough to come up with the UFO Defense,,,, worked then and it worked last sunday against the Ravens,, I think he's been innovative..
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All I know is the team sucked and Carson sure as heck didn't answer anything.
If you don't like him, use Norv Turner or any other hotshot assistant who finally got a head gig and flopped.
It happens all the time. Probably more often than not.
How many good OCs and DCs flop as head coaches because of the organizations they go to coach for? Let's face it, most good teams with talent don't change head coaches... How many coordinators have gone to work for crappy teams like Arizona or Detroit or even Cleveland and failed, not because they weren't HC material, but because the organization wasn't getting them good players and generally had a losing mentality...
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How many good OCs and DCs flop as head coaches because of the organizations they go to coach for?
As I noted somewhere on this thread or another, timing indeed plays a big part. A guy gets a player like Favre, he becomes known as a qb guru. He gets Chuck Frye, he becomes Rip Scherer.
No doubt timing...right place at the right time, make or break many players and coaches.
Daman...I wasn't trying to say you agreed with the comment, only you were the one to bring up the point......sorry if it came across that way.
Well.....maybe I was kind of, sort of playing with you a bit.
Sorry....all is good.
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Didn't Bud Carson get to the AFC Championship with the Browns? That sucks.
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LOL.....I don't know......I do know he didn't win a Superbowl. I do know that sucks.
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He was the coach of the last AFC Championship game we went to. If not winning the Super Bowl sucks, there are 30 sucky coaches a year 
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Didn't Bud Carson get to the AFC Championship with the Browns? That sucks.
Well, in fairness to Peen.. Bud Carson took over a Browns team that for the previous 3 years had gone 12-4, 10-5, and 10-6.. he went 9-6-1, squeeked by Buffalo then got pounded by Denver... then the following year the team went 3-13... it's hard to say he really had us headed in the right direction...
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I remember Marty losing twice to the Broncos with Bernies crew...who did Carson lose to??
Seriously, I am not debating here...I just don't remember.....maybe I don't want to remember.
Remember B....anything less than a Super Bowl win is a failed season. It has to be if you have your goals in order.
But that is another topic.....one we don't need to visit...because you know in the end I am correct, but I also understand your point. Last loser is better than first loser.
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They lost to the Broncos as well.
DC, I meant that 2 made it to the Super Bowl. Also, Carson did inherit a team, but that team was very old and was ready to be torn down and rebuilt. Modell didn't want to hear that. He didn't want to hear that you couldn't replace Pro Bowl OL with "Plan B" FAs.
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Ok....I guess it is simply a case of not wanting to remember...see what losing does! Make you lose your mind. All I remember about him was getting waxed on a Thanksgiving game by Det and getting waxed by Buff about 50-0 after a bunch of losses in a row, and getting canned mid season.
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I think it was the Oilers that waxed us on Thanksgiving... 
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I do know I love what Chud has done with this offense. I do know that RAC hasnt impressed me at all. Last week was the first time I have seen him actually come into a game looking like the team actually had a freaking game plan. If that trend continues i will jump on the Romeo bandwagon but for now, I believe Chud is the only thing saving his booty from the frying pan.
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Some folks just have no idea ... NONE .... they think its all about coaching and that RAC is suppose to win with 2nd rate TALENT .... they just dotn understand that for his first two years here he was going to a gun fight with a butter knife ... they don't see the TEACHING and IMPROVEMENT in the pups all they see is the W/L's and judge based on that ....
Chud vs Mo is a GREAT EXAMPLE ... or better yet ... Chud vs Ariens (cause I thinnk Mo was in wayover his head .. ) ... and i think Chud is doing a GREAT JOB so far ... and i believe he could turn out to be a very very good coordinator but its way to early to tell .. anyhow ..
Ariens and Mo had GARBAGE as far as TALENT went compared to Chud ... GARBAGE .... he had BUMS ON THE OL ... he had BUMS AT WR .... he had BUMS AT RB ... he had BUMS at QB ... u know it but for those that don't go look at WHERE THERE ALL AT NOW .... deep on teams benches or out of football ...
Chud on the other hand has Thomas and Stieny ... BY FAR THE TWO BEST OLman we've had since our return ... there actually IMO the first two legite OLman we've had .. along with Fraley and McKinnie who would be better than anything we had other than Tuck on all our other OL's ..
Chud also has Lewis .. its not even close comparing him to what Ariens and Mo had to work with ...
Chud also has a MATURE EXPERIENCED Brey to work with and a MATURE EXPERIENCED KW to work with ... agin these two are LIGHT YEARS beyond what Ariens or Mo had to work with ... LIGHT YEARS ... hell even Joe is better than anythingelse we had when eiother of those two were here ... and he's our 3rd option .. *LOL* ..
Gee ... I wonder if he has a CHANCE to make his plays work as opposed to the other OC's we've had here ....
but the "follow the football" crowd (thats what i call guys like Peenie .. they just follow the football around and have NO CLUE about whats actually happening .. ) ... just looks at results without taking TALENT into the equation at all ...
same thing can be said with RAC .. and i dotn know if RAC will make a good HC or not .. I just know as of yet he hasnt had the most talent getting on the bus more than a handful of times in his 3 years here ... but the impatient ones who think he can turn crap into gold overnight with a game plan and a motivational speach just dotn get it ..
your wating your breath on folks like Peenie .. there minds are made up .... RAC is JUNK ... and if he wins with TALENT he wil be OK and they will just say he started producing while IGNORING WHY he was able to produce ... see Chud vs Ariens and Mo ..
theres a real good saying when looking to solve a crime ... "follow the MONEY" ... well in football it is "follow the TALENT" ...
another good name for them would be the "witch way is the wind blowing today" crowd ... *LOL* ..
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You hit it on the head, pretty much. Look at Arians now that he is with the Steelers. He seems to be doing pretty well compared to when he was here. The difference? I think you answered that.
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We are just a defensive line away from a stout defense and playoff team.... (with consistency from QB)
Everything else is in place... just wait til we get that D-line in
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
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Thank you a thousand times.
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