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Guys, just read an interesting article about how nervous teams are about BLOWING the Draft due to this environment. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/4/1/21...its-scouts-film And the belief there will be LOTs of quality players NOT drafted because they didn't get to do their pro days and are from small schools. Not as much tape, didn't compete with bigger schools so some real gems to be had. Sure hope we are ready.....GO Browns!!!

I think not getting distracted by what guys can do in shorts might help teams. Tape and meetings via video conferencing (I think they are able to do more of these "face to face" interviews with the adjustments for corona, no longer a hard limit?) are where the focus should probably be. Don't have to worry about tipping their hands by inviting guys in and can just teleconference with anyone they think they might like.

I think the nervousness is mainly with the Giants and other teams with dinosaur GMs.

The bottom line to me is that all 32 teams are playing with the same variables. As such, no preemptive excuses should be accepted.

The medical angle might be the biggest "concern". Teams can't easily do their own tests on guys that weren't at the combine/need re-tested.

I think there will be a consistent approach on medicals and that players need to 'verify' with an approved physician, etc? It impacts all 32 teams and they will have thought of this, you'd hope....

I do wish the draft would have been made a few rounds longer ... this is the year it’s needed

JMHO, I want to think we are prepared, but past failures like Coleman, supposedly the best WR stinks with attitude and work ethic...Gilbert, who didn't even like football...do we have the same "wonderful" scouts...and our owner who supposedly picked"' "Johnny"...I'm hoping we've dug deep and can find some gems from small schools and pull the trigger before our competition...I know in the world of information overload the gems might not exist, hope our BOARD is robust and execute on guys available after the final bell....please let us get it right.....GO Browns!!!

Coleman was drafted in 2016. Depodesta joined the team in 2016. That first draft he was only there to watch the process. I doubt he had any real input on coleman or any other pick that year.

And in fairness, it not like Coleman was ranked the 50th best player. He was high on every board.

If he was only there "to watch," why in the heck did he make those comments about Wentz not being a top 20 qb.

Methinks you are being biased again.

...If "we" thought he was a top 20 QB, I assume they would have taken him. Depo was new to the team. Unlike some, he was a team player and not trying to throw blame on other people.

Bad mouthing the team's decisions in public before you have the results doesn't do anything good. It can actually decrease the chance of buy-in, and, therefore, success. You don't effect change by making enemies.

What was he supposed to say? We thought he was great so we passed on him?

I've posted this several times since that draft yet people ignore the very words that came out of Depos mouth. The entire article describes how they were all working together in that draft yet it gets ignored or some try to explain away the obvious. I'll just post the Depo quote but if you bother reading the entire article, it speaks volumes.....

j/c:

The only definite statement made by Paul at the time was this:


The Top 20 thing came later in the interview. It was a statement about evaluating talent on a year to year basis, particularly at QB. Writers and fans took the liberty of equating that to "DePodesta said Wentz is not a top 20 QB"


Hey, I get it, the proof is in the pudding - we didn't draft him. However, equating either the non-drafting of Wentz, or drafting of Coleman, is a bit absurd.

JMO

GM's and NFL FO's miss on picks. That's just a matter of fact. Where the difference on the Coleman pick comes into play is certain fans claim he wasn't in on the pick. That he had no input on the pick. Yet he was in the draft room and stated with his own words that Coleman was the player they all had targeted.

So for me it's not really about Coleman being a bad pick. Dorsey made some bad picks too. The only difference here is some people wish to dismiss Depos accountability.

I gotcha.

Sure, he's as accountable as anyone else. I don't sweat the pick at all - everyone was wrong about the top 3 WR in that draft - everybody. All three were hot garbage.

So after years of Farmer flat out refusing to draft a WR, we think we're giving Hue the type of weapon that seemed tailor-made for his offense and our dreams go up in smoke. Because Browns.

I actually think Hue was just as guilty in his support of the pick. But like it seems we both agree with, those things happen.

fate, I may be wrong but I could swear I read that hue did not think wentz worthy of a #2 pick. I do not have a citation for that so if I am wrong I apologize in advance.

Some guys who I think could make a roster that might not get drafted are:

Robert Landers, DT, OSU. No combine invite. Very disruptive IDL at OSU. He should be drafted but might not be.

Rashod Berry, TE, OSU. Excellent blocking TE/H-back. Underused as a receiver. Athletic enough to play two-ways this season.

Patrick Nelson, S, SMU. Hybrid player tremendous tackler. Box Safey/Coverage LB. 12 career sacks from the secondary.

Bryce Huff, OLB/DE, Memphis. Sixteen sacks over past two seasons. Think Genard Avery.

This place kills me at times. peen makes a comment about Depo w/out any proof at all and when that is pointed out, others turn it around like someone else [in this case--me] started it. Jesus!

I assume you're talking to me but I really don't follow what you're saying.

Sorry, didn't realize that since you questioned Peen, protocol was now that we all have to question him.

My bad. It's hard to keep up on all the unwritten rules.

You assumed wrong. It was a general comment due to a few posts in this specific instance and a general comment that is on a much larger scale.

A poster will make an inane comment. Or a deceiving comment. Or an outright lie. Then, if someone points that out, the focus is on what is wrong w/the follow-up post. It's all about opinions and perception.

Unfortunately, perception is reality for many folks.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen?

Actually, here are his words right after that draft....

I have no idea. Maybe because we didn't feel he was a top pick QB.

All I know is what I have read and heard in interviews. He was new to the team to have any real input. He was there to observe the process so he could find ways to streamline the process.

If you have other info, share.

GMs have discussed that the most challenging part of this draft might be the race to sign undrafted free agents after it.

Ravens have the fewest players under contract (57), and the most flexibility to sign free agents; Raiders have the most players (79), and least flexibility.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1252571974792089600

Browns have 67 under contract

“We are trying to build a great organization over a long period of time,” DePodesta said Thursday night, “and tonight was the perfect example of that. We got a player we really wanted who we think is a great fit for us now, and yet we also have a few more bites at the apple.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/04/cleveland-browns-nfl-draft-hue-jackson-paul-depodesta-sachi-brown

Try reading the article. It was on Thursday night as they were leaving the draft room right after the pick was made. The article describes how they all worked together and agreed on the pick. How it was a joint strategy. That's why I posted the link.

Cool. However it worked doesn't really matter. You win.

I am just glad Depo is still standing.

Watching/looking at that clip reminded me of how WRONG everyone can be...Coleman, he was rated high and could have worked out...character...Mangini, who had some issues with that, was right...it seems we've moving it up in priority...I hope..anyway..remember the clip of Coleman coming in and bitching to Jackson about playing time, etc...Hope we use precious picks better this time around ... AND corral some UDFA gems....GO Browns.....about 31 hrs till we know what's up.

I do agree that people can be wrong about draft picks. Every FO in the NFL misses on multiple picks every year.

But when you use the term "everyone" I'm not sure that is correct. The question becomes how many other NFL FO's had Coleman rated the #1 WR on their board? That's something we'll never know.

Here is the "everyone" you must be referring to. Draft gurus and the media trying to play NFL GM. We know what they tell us. We know what they think. But every year we see them get it wrong on which players they think teams will pick. We see players get picked well ahead of where they predict and far below where they have them picked.

So while you may see that as "everyone", I see it as "everyone but the people that actually matter".

Correct Pit, their job doesn't require them to be correct either.

But there's fools who listen to them year in and year out as if what they say is the gospel truth.

So how matters? You?



My feeling is someone was going to select him in that range.


We just happened to be the team who did

Yet that's something none of us really know for sure. It was a terrible WR class in general. Will Fuller went at #21, Josh Doctson at #22 and Laquon Treadwell at #23. Will Fuller probably being the best of that crop.

Where these teams had those WR's ranked on their big board is anyone's guess and how far Coleman would have dropped if we hadn't picked him is anybodies guess as well. I know you have a "feeling about it" but I'm not sure that really means anything, are you?