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I agree. How can someone state we should trade down when we don't know how the picks have fallen ? It might make sense to actually trade up depending on how the picks are coming off the board. We are in a position to get impact players - our roster has a lot of talent and I think we need to add a difference maker or two as opposed to adding a quantity of average talent.

I want Simmons. I'm willing to trade up to get him if its a spot or two.

I actually don't disagree with you on Williams. I think he would be a good get, but the devil is in the details with bringing him in. What will Washington accept in a trade? What will Williams accept as far as a new contract? Where is Williams' health right now (this is minor, I assume)?

I have no problem putting together a stacked Oline for Baker and Chubb. But there's a cost involved, and I want to make sure we're not being taken to the woodshed by the 'skins and/or Williams.

I think in these long discussions sometimes the original comment or long explanation of the situation gets baked into the discussion.... you don't repeat on every single post "It depends" ... that becomes part of the equation.

I think that *obviously* if there is an impact player available at a position that helps the team at the slot you are drafting, and he's a target you wanted ... taking him is the preferred option. For me Simmons or Brown are two players I hope fall to us. If not them, and not the Browns first choice at OT ... then I am much more open to a trade down. If we can secure Williams and BPA is QB/WR/CB/OT ... then I trade down without doubt.

Some mocks see him getting closer to us at 10. Snatch him and immediately get the best remaining tackle. Or trade up for our best tackle choice and get back in for Simmons. Not looking for quantity to cut later. I am thinking impact that can cure under fire.

I agree in terms of [1] giving up too much in draft capital [2] messing up cap space for when contracts for young stars contracts are up .... but I am not worried about Williams potential high salary in the short term as long as the contract can be written so it doesn't hurt future cap space. I would also want it to be heavily tied to games played/started.

I'm a sucker for gambling on upside. I keep going back to Peters transitioning to Austin Jackson at LT, which makes much more sense after a trade down.

I'm not saying I'd actually do it if I were actually picking, but that's the temptation that keeps sticking in my mind.

Jackson's still young. He has dealt with a lot which I think uniquely prepares him for the random insanity that crops up in Cleveland. He's had a coach on the hot seat. He's had multiple young starting QBs in a season. He's had the health "challenge" after helping his sister. He's got all the natural talent and I think Callahan can train him up technically.

Having the experience of playing with a HC on the hot seat may serve him well if he is drafted by the Browns. At least history would indicate so.

I'm not completely against Williams, I'm just against paying through the nose twice for Williams. I don't care what anyone says - he's too old at the position for that.

So, if we can get him in trade for what amounts to chump change, I'm all for it.

If we wait for him to be a free agent, it's even better.


In the end, the only way I see us getting Trent is if we don't take a tackle at all. If we get Simmons and for some reason cannot land any other legitimate tackle, it is then that I think we'll go after Williams. It won't be the other way around where we do a trade first and then hope the draft falls the way we want it to.

If we do get a tackle at #10, I don't see us taking one we won't feel good about starting Day 1. In that case, there is little chance at all that we get Williams or Peters.

If we get a guy like Ezra that might be a starter part way through the season, or in season 2, then we're more likely to go with a guy like Peters than Williams.

I am one who "liked" that post and did it for the joke.
I would bet $1 that everyone else liked it for the joke too

just following some current team reporters. It seems like Thomas’ name has gained steam in the Miami/SD/JAX circles. Of course, it’s silly season so it’s all with a grain of salt.

I think the idea of a more plug and play OL is the safest bet for GMs

j/c,

Top 10 scenario

--Round 1 Pick (1) Bengals: 
Joe Burrow (QB) LSU

--Round 1 Pick (2) Redskins: 
Chase Young (DE) Ohio St.

--Round 1 Pick (3) Lions: 
Jeff Okudah, CB, Ohio St.

--Round 1 Pick (4) Giants: 
Jedrick Wills Jr. (OT) Alabama

--Round 1 Pick (5) Dolphins: 
Tua Tagovailoa (QB) Alabama

--Round 1 Pick (6) Chargers: 
Andrew Thomas, OT, Georgia

--Round 1 Pick (7) Panthers: 
Isaiah Simmons (OLB) Clemson

--Round 1 Pick (8) Cardinals: 
Tristan Wirfs (OT) Iowa

--Round 1 Pick (9) Jaguars: 
Derrick Brown (DT) Auburn

--Round 1 Pick (10) Browns: ?
Javon Kinlaw (DT) South Carolina BPA?

Trade down in this scenario?

Top 10 scenario

--Round 1 Pick (1) Bengals:
Joe Burrow (QB) LSU

--Round 1 Pick (2) Redskins:
Chase Young (DE) Ohio St.

--Round 1 Pick (3) Lions:
Jeff Okudah, CB, Ohio St.

--Round 1 Pick (4) Giants:
Jedrick Wills Jr. (OT) Alabama

--Round 1 Pick (5) Dolphins:
Justin Herbert

--Round 1 Pick (6) Chargers:
Andrew Thomas, OT, Georgia

--Round 1 Pick (7) Panthers:
Derick Brown

--Round 1 Pick (8) Cardinals:
Tristan Wirfs (OT) Iowa

--Round 1 Pick (9) Jaguars:
CJ Henderson

--Round 1 Pick (10) Browns: ?
Isaiah Simmons

Trade for Williams and booyah, ready to rock.

If we got Simmons and don't have to give up the bank to get Williams, absolutely.

Otherwise, sit tight and take Ezra Cleveland or trade up into the back end of Round 1 and take one of the other 2nd tier OTs, then sign any ol' OT to take the reins for one season while the rookie gets up to speed.

Are you advocating taking Ezra at #10 ? Based on everything I see and read and watch - that seems awfully high. I also don't think he's going to be there at #41.

I'm still sweet on Josh Jones - but navigating a path to being able to take him at the right slot is hard to see.

I am wondering more and more if Becton is going to be the pick if he's on the board.

My perfect scenario would be to stay put and draft Thomas at 10 and stay put and draft Winfield at 41, though I dont think either is likely now

Because you don't think they will be there or because that's not the FO plan?

If I may, I think his scenario has the Browns drafting Simmons. The rest is how to fill the LT spot, 1) Trade for Williams if price is right, 2) Draft Cleveland with the #41, or 3) trade from #41 back into the 1st for the Tex or USC guy. After either 2) or 3), then sign a journeyman OT to fill the void till the drafted guy is ready to take over. That's how I read what Prp said.

because i dont think they’ll be there

I have a feeling Thomas will be available at 10. Becton and Wills are who might be off the board or who I am projecting to be off the board. But that's obviously 100% guess.

Oh, Godzilla, no! That should have been "sit tight in the 2nd round"

I think people will be shocked at how quickly Thomas comes off the board. I hope he's there at #10 but I think the player comes before the media buzz.

I'll be happy when it's Saturday and most of the crazy and uncertainty is done and we'll be able to start to see how things will be put together.

I agree with this. I doubt he makes it to #10. Too many teams before 10 have needs at OT - NYG, MIA, LAC, CAR, ARZ, and JAC. 6 teams which can all make a case for drafting an OT before the Browns and with Thomas being 1 of 2 which are LT only. Doubt he makes it to 10. I think Wills, Thomas, and Wirfs are gone before 10.

Maybe Simmons or Brown will be there at 10, but I could make a pretty good case that they and the top 3 OTs will all be gone as well. That leaves you with Becton, Okudah maybe. Would Kinlaw be in play?

That makes two of us.

I know I probably see this different than most people, but I actually feel that not having a crowd during the draft will make for a better experience for me sitting at home. I saw someone post this and thought it was pretty funny.... I wonder if Goodell will enlist his family to boo him before he announces the picks?

I'm not as sure about Wirfs. He was projected by most sources I saw to transition to G or RT in the NFL. That was before the combine. Once people saw his numbers and performance at the combine, all that changed.

I guess we will get an answer as to whether the NFL sees the combine as important as the media does. Or do they rely more on game tape which had Wirfs projected somewhere other than LT?

Ian Rapoport
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Sources: The #Dolphins have called the teams in front of them for a possible trade up from No. 5 and are gauging the price to come up to No. 3 to potentially take an offensive tackle. We could see a run on tackles in the Top 10 like never before.

I actually get the opposite message from it that Rappaport does. It seems to me that the Dolphins feel so strongly that their target is so much better than those below him they are willing to pay a hefty price to move up.

If all of these LT prospects are rated so highly, why would you pay a hefty sum to move up slightly for your pick of the litter?

If they do it I wonder of it means there going after Cam or Winston ... either that or the morons plan on sticking with fitz ...

The sources could also be the lions trying to raise the price of someone really interested in moving there ...

It could be either. You know how the silly season is. Rumors galore with all kinds of agendas as reason to plant a story. Only believe half of what you see and none of what you hear this close to the draft IMO

Because trading down gets you more value no matter who is available.

Oh dear Lord!

Someone should have advised Kansas City of that when they drafted Mahomes.

From earlier in the thread:

... . Total 'smoke'...just ain't gonna happen.

But that's the thing. You can't use hindsight to make that statement. If you want to use that logic then in the same draft then the teams who should have traded down is long: Bears, Titans, Bengals, Cardinals, Titans again, Tampa, Miami, Cleveland with Peppers pick, Falcons, Dallas, Cleveland with the Njoku pick and the 49ers with the Foster pick. . . . hmmm. that's a long list.

That would work, but I just dont see Justin Herbert going in the top ten picks.

Your so full of yourself and crap ...

In theory its a great strategy ... but reality doesn’t always line up with theories ... especially when your FO STINKS at drafting ...

The picks made under Sashi with the trade downs STUNK as far as i know ... and i know if I’m wrong I’ll hear it from u or one of your fellow sashiettes ... *L* ...

I know in draft #1 we got Coleman ... and Unless any of the other picks netted us Shobert or Ogbah .... Pfffft on the value all those trade downs got us ... good lord we traded down twice to get CC and got LITERALLY NOTHING IN RETURN ... a bunch of crap ...

I really hope our Ivy leaguers understand drafting and trading down MUCH BETTER than u ...

U always get more value when trading down ... ... what a joke ...

Alex Mack may have been the only decent trade down we ever had, and even then we passed on Julio so it was a fail.

When the heck has trading down EVER WORKED for us