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But that's the thing - if your organization stinks at drafting - and clearly the Browns since 1999 mostly have - even KJ who was leap years better than anyone else had some dodgy picks ... but if your bad at picking players ... more picks at least gives you more opportunity to land on a good player. Less picks and less talent evaluation means less chance of getting adding talent.

If you are bad at drafting, it doesn't matter one bit if you are staying put or dropping back.

The two are separate - one is a strategy to get more picks.
The other is a talent that gives you a result from those picks.

The trade down doesn't give you a result other than additional valuable picks. The picking of a player is what give you final result.

Trading down is just a tool in the toolbox; and a valid and valuable one at that because there ARE times where the players on the table in front of you aren't worth - to you - the pick you are holding. If you can then convince someone to give you their pick and a little more to take a player at that point for you, so much the better.


So, whether or not the person picking the players makes use of the tool at their disposal or not.... they still need to be good at picking players.

If it was up to some of these experts on here we would keep trading down until we had 25 picks in the 7th round. More chances to hit ,right boys?

I'd actually rather have Peters over Trent.

However, Trent has had over a full year to heal.

Or just draft the best available LT.

Who knows. I change my mind on this every hour.

with the trade down to Coleman from #2, the Browns realized the following:

In the end, the Browns' Wentz trade finally finalized during the 2018 NFL Draft and the team had selected these 11 players with the picks involved:

Corey Coleman
Shon Coleman
Cody Kessler (Since traded for a late round pick)
Derrick Kindred
Spencer Drango
Ricardo Louis
Jordan Payton (Since released)
Jabrill Peppers
Deshone Kizer (Since traded, along with picks, for Damarious Randall and picks)
Denzel Ward
Chad Thomas

Said no-one - ever.

To some extent. But if you have a terrible talent evaluator, I'd rather he had 15 picks than 7. Probability says that the chance of the blind squirrel finding an acorn increases a little. And that was my point.

Anyone can draft select 7 players in the NFL draft. The key to the draft is to picking the right 7 players. Every round, every year, there are at least 7 players that are a star, stater, or important contributor on the team.

If a team is bad drafting would you rather have more picks or less picks?



The trades were good the picks were bad.



In terms of the picks themselves? Of course. You also have to actually pick quality players at some point. But you are more likely to pick more quality players if you increase the amount of picks you have.

What are the odds of selecting those seven players if you have seven picks?

What are the odds of selecting those seven players if you have twelve picks?

Just clicking.

Drafting is obviously huge, but it also takes coaching, player development and a little luck. Maybe more than a little, considering how many picks fail.

It also helps to have a QB, on which we spent many years.... trying to find one. Hopefully Baker is that guy, then we don’t have to chase a QB, and can address other issues in the years ahead.

I'd rather have John Dorsey because he was good at drafting.

This conversation is so dumb.

Anyway.......reading the report about Miami moving up for an OT.

I have a different take. I have thought they were going to move up to 3 and maybe even 2 for a long time now. However, I think they grab Tua and not an OT.

The trades were good ... BS ...

We passed on Carson Wentz and then one Mr. Watson ...

We traded not one but two franchise qbs ... ya, the only reason they were bad trades was cause they weren’t good at drafting ... ..

And even he whiffed on a bunch picks! Imagine if he had more picks!

(We don’t have to imagine.)

I knew but you were bad at math, had no clue your reading comprehension was near the same level ...

Here’s a quote from your fellow sashiette ... its not parsed or pulled out of a post ... its the entire post ....

Because trading down gets you more value no matter who is available.

I see no qualifiers there ... guess i missed them ... *L* ...

I get that What duty said was ludicrous but its no more ludicrous than cfr’s original premise ... its always better value to trade down ... the man just trashed KC for the Mahommes trade ... he’s saying trading Watson for more picks was better value ...

His absolute is no better than Duty’s absolute ...

Diam, I gotta agree with CFRS, at least for the most part. He has clearly stated that you don’t trade back if you don’t have a QB. You are right about those two drafts but so was he.

So we could have had just (A) Carson Wentz. Or we could have had (B) DeShaun Watson along with Corey Coleman, Cody Kessler, Derrick Kindred, Ricardo Louis, Jordan Payton, and Spencer Drango. Or we could have (C) what we have now (Baker Mayfield, Denzel Ward, OBJ (who we got for Jabrill Peppers) etc.). Which choice would prefer, A, B, or C? Knowing the players skews the results.

I’d take any draft with Watson in it with the players u mentioned ...

I did?

So we agree?

It’s very obvious you haven’t been following along. Or you have been following along and just forgot what people have said.

I never liked u anyway ... *L* ...

Stay safe my friend ...

PS. I didn’t see him say that ... it appears I’m once again talking out my poop shoot ... ooops .... guess I’ll keep going down my rabbit hole and have some fun with it ..

It doesn’t make any sense for them to trade up for offensive tackle. They would probably get to pick the second tackle in the draft which might be their best one.

If they trade up it’s for a QB.

I didn’t read where u said basically QB’’s are exempt .... i don’t read that much .... i open my trap a lot and insert foot a lot ... u haven’t noticed that ... *L* ...

And no .. we don;t agree ... i still think your full of crap ...

Trading down does not always get u more value ...

lol! He only mentioned it twice so it was easy to miss.

He also clearly stated that trading back brings more value when I questioned device's assertion that trading back is the most logical move. I questioned it because I think blindly trading back before you even know who is going to be available is anything but logical.

I should clarify. When talking value of the picks themselves trading down gets you more value. Obviously I would rather have Julio Jones instead of Phil Taylor and a bunch of dookie. My argument is that you are more likely to select more quality players if you have more picks. That’s it. That’s the argument.

I have no argument with that ... u should have said that out of the gate and I’d have less foot in mouth ... *L* ...

I’ve literally said it like 20 times in this thread.

Next time say it to me ... then I’ll have a much better chance of reading it ...

I’m done ... I’ve ruined this enough all ready ...

I probably went a little overboard in saying “no matter who is in the board”. My bad. I would not trade down until I was on the clock that way if a video comes out of Chase Young with a bong mask on I could still take him at ten.

j/c:

I have been thinking about the Tua situation. Last year, the talk was about tanking for Tua. Dude has incredible accuracy. Great touch. Pretty good athlete. Humble kid who will be a good face to the franchise. Strong work ethic. Comes from a disciplined family.

Then he got hurt.

However, the medicals have been good. I really think that Miami moves up to 3 to get him. Maybe 2, but most likely 3. I think the OT thing was put out there to dissuade the Chargers from moving up, but then again, the Chargers must certainly realize that.

I think Tua can be an excellent qb in this league if he can stay healthy. I think he is worth the risk.

Okay, that's fair.

NO, you are more likely to pick quality players the higher you pick.

Depends where the 5 additional picks are.

If the picks are in rounds 5-7, not that much better.

What are the odds you draft a starter in top 10, then 2 picks in the 4th?

You only trade down when your team is not setup to win and needs multiple holes to fill.

We are not in that position.

My reading comprehension is fine - especially in this instance with regards understanding someone's intent. Especially when I read the guy's other posts too. But thanks for the insults. Par for the course.

j/c,

Peradventure what we might be able to add in the Draft with one more 2nd round selection?

I am on record as agreeing in principle ... there is a time for everything under the sun.

Nathan Zegura agrees too.

https://youtu.be/InIMjUzjGNU

I am looking forward to the draft because there is nothing else going on in the world of sports, but another part of me can't wait until it's over because of how much dumb crap is being reported.

Seriously.............trading down before you know who is available and your primary talent are all on their rookie contracts is smart????

Give me a break!

They are all based on assumptions of who will be on the board at this point, (what ifs) but no Draft has ever gone as expected.

So don't get your feathers ruffled before the storm. No trades have been made as of yet bro...