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Yeah, and they also have Kittle.

Both options don't seem all that legit. But, who knows...

I think teams are looking to go with two tight ends a lot more next year. I think the 49ers were, lightly, in on Hooper.

I don't really believe SF is a player for OJ Howard, but obviously, I could be wrong. I think the report is not very accurate.

I admire the thought process you guys have on here. Some nice and some not so nice - LOL.

Today is the day that the Browns have to make their moves. A trade back is highly likely that will most likely be combined with a trade of some sort in my opinion. There's multiple items the Browns need to address that clearly will determine how they draft. It would seem to be extremely risky to think the Browns would be going into this draft with the idea that afterwards they would address positions, contracts and personal with FA's. It's common knowledge that it does happen but I don't think you go into a draft thinking that afterwards you'll address those items.

Items on the table:
1. LT - biggest need and at this point a make or break item for the front office. Is the 4th, 5th or even lower OT selected at #10 or lower getting the BPA? After spending multi millions of dollars to improve your offense for 2020 and still having the #3 valued position on the team still open warrant taking the perceived 4th or 5th option at the position or worse yet drafting with the idea of addressing it after the draft? I don't believe the FO can or will take that risk. This is a high risk game of chicken that the Browns will fell the effect of for years if they are wrong.

2. Njoku - the Browns have to exercise the 5th option by May 3rd. The Browns went out and signed Hooper. That certainly doesn't make it look like the Browns are expecting to open up the wallet on the 5th year or a future long term contract. Does it make sense for the Browns to keep Njoku at this point knowing he will be a FA next year. He's not in the future plans so expect him to be moved soon.

3. Vernon - in his final year with a 17-million price with bonuses this year but no dead money. He hasn't lived up to expectations and highly unlikely to take a team discount to stay and not in the Browns best interest moving forward. Do the Browns come out of the draft not addressing Vernon or the position or are they gambling they will get Clowney afterwards. This is another high risk game of chicken that the Browns could lose big time on.

4. Trent Williams - Browns want a discount but other suitors may drive up the price. The question remains: Untested rookie, older vet in Peters or others, effect on the offense if the FO is wrong in their decision. Missing at LT will cripple the team - the FO can't swing and miss here.

5. Clowney, Ngakoue, or Griffin - high dollar decision. Do the Browns invest here and leave LT open to questions. Is this the draft position the Browns are focused on? Where's the higher risk and the best value? DE will be addressed - where's it stand in the pecking order?

6 LB and Safety - can the Browns survive with what they have? Are late round picks the answer or after draft lower level FA moves? Positions of high concern but where do they fit in the entire plan? Can the Browns address the above and these areas too? Trading back will help a lot but does that make the above a higher need?

Today will answer a lot of those questions.

I am guessing Howard. The article seems to be about TB trading Howard.

TRENT WILLIAMS
T, WASHINGTON REDSKINS

ESPN's Josina Anderson reports "everything is still open at this point" between the Browns and Redskins LT Trent Williams.

Meanwhile, Mike Florio reports there is "zero truth" to the Eagles' interest in Williams. Clearly the Browns are the No. 1 team in the market for the Redskins' long-time stud tackle. It remains to be seen if anything gets done before the draft. Left tackle remains the most-glaring hole on the Browns offense, as they're quietly fairly loaded elsewhere. With better protection Baker Mayfield should have a solid chance to bounce back in year three.

SOURCE: Josina Anderson on Twitter
Apr 23, 2020, 8:39 AM ET

Diam: We need a few more seats on the boat as it's draft day and we have a catch to haul on board for the trip to the Isle...

Last year, I didn't think we should trade for Williams because I thought the cost would be too high. I am assuming that the cost has gone down and thus, I am warming up to the trade.

I think all of the LTs in the draft have question marks. I am not saying they won't be good. I'm just saying it's hard to tell who will perform well and who won't. Williams is a proven player. His refusal to play w/Washington concerns me. So does his possible contract demands. I would not doubt that the two are related. That's scary.

However, I would be in favor of trading our 2nd rounder for Williams and a 3rd or maybe a 4th. Something like that. I think that trade would favor us, but Washington is probably running out of options. I don't know that for a fact and that is why I said "probably." Btw...........all of this is my opinion and don't want to be called out for posting BS by 888.

Would it not be a 'sign-and-trade' deal? Perhaps why this seems to be taking so long...

If the picks we have to give up are small enough that we wouldn't care if he was a one year rental, we'd likely just trade for him as-is and work out a new contract later.

If we have to give up significant draft capital, then there is no way the deal happens without a new deal in place that the trade is contingent upon.

What that threshold is would be anyone's guess, but I'd draw the line at a 4th. 4th or lower... be happy to view it a one year rental. Anything more than that and we'd need a new deal to keep him for a few years.


Either way, I still think the only way we trade for him is if we end up with Simmons and don't have a future LT candidate by the end of Round 2. I *hate* making generalizations in the vein of "this FO doesn't like ...", BUT - this FO doesn't like bringing in guys over the age of 30. Be it free agents or in trade. I think we may have brought in a couple already this offseason, but they are bit role players, not major cogs. The thing is, if we want a veteran LT, there aren't any other options, and the only remaining variable for a veteran LT is whether we are looking at someone to hold the spot for 3-4 years or if we are looking for a one year rental.

If we come away from the Draft with even a Round 2 LT, I could see us not pursuing a veteran LT at all, at least not until we see him - whomever it ends up being - in a practice. Like, as soon as we can do 1-on-1's, have him go against Myles and Vernon for a couple of hours and get a feel for whether or not we think he might be able to hold his own before we look at bringing in a veteran because frankly, time is on our side. The guys that are out there, nobody else is talking to. We're the only player in the ring for Trent... there's no hurry. Actually, the longer we wait, the more likely they are to just release him and the additional $12 million cap hit he will be to them.

JC

Offer a 3rd for Williams
Draft Simmons or Brown at 10 .. or trade down if they aren’t there

I wouldn’t give up more than a 3rd

Trade a 3rd for Trent Williams to fix the OLine. Then offer all of our remaining picks and next years 1st and 3rd to Washington and get Chase Young DE. Far and away the best player in this years draft. With him and Garrett coming off the edges. Look out.

Now I know this will not happen. But, That would be my dream draft day trade scenario today.

I struggle to figure out what the passage of time has done to William's cost of acquisition (in terms of compensation to the 'skins). They could just be doing their Redskins thing and have decided to be stubborn. I dunno. Such a crazy situation.

I think I saw a poll on Twitter asking if you would trade OBJ and #10 to the Redskins for #2. I said yes. Thoughts?

Why?

Washington wants a lot, the Browns aren't willing to meet that price or this would be done by now. 97 feels right at his age and salary expectations (or someone suggested swapping 74 and their 4th which equates to a late 3rd).

Per salary, spotrac says 3 yrs, $46,407,427 is his market value - that's 15.4/year and would be 4th highest tackle. That feels a little high to me based on his age, but it provides a number.

j/c:

That's a possibility. However, if we can believe the rumors that are out there, there's still a line of communications between the Browns and Skins. To me that would indicate that the price the Skins are now asking is more closely aligned to what the Browns are willing to pay. If the asking price was too far out of line, there would be nothing there to negotiate about.

No chance in Hell.
Chase Young is NOT worth OBJ + whomever we'd get at #10.
The kid is good, but nobody is THAT good.

I wonder if Trent is the contingency plan if the top Tackles on the board aren't there. Quite a few teams in front of us need tackles ,so if they're gone, then maybe we pull the trigger.

Trent Williams trade rumors: Four teams in pursuit of Pro Bowl left tackle, including Browns, per report
The Eagles, Jets, and Vikings have also shown the most interest in Williams

3 hrs ago

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/trent...wns-per-report/

The Washington Redskins appear to be on the verge of trading Trent Williams and have plenty of teams vying for his services. The Cleveland Browns have been the team linked to Williams for quite some time, but the Washington Post is reporting the Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles and New York Jets are also among the teams showing the most interest in the seven-time Pro Bowl left tackle.

Cleveland, the fourth team that has shown significant interest, has competition for Williams. Washington has been asking for a second-round pick, but has been willing to compromise with teams that are offering the Redskins picks in the mid-to-late rounds. The Redskins haven't been able to deal Williams to this point because teams haven't been able to reach a new deal with the offensive tackle, who has one-year and $14.5 million remaining on his contract.

The Eagles are considered a surprise suitor for Williams, considering they are in the same division as the Redskins and have a left tackle they traded up for in the first round of last year's draft in Andre Dillard. Pro Football Talk has reported there is "zero truth" in the Eagles' interest in Williams.

Could Washington be using Philadelphia in an attempt to drive up the trade price? There's some merit to that theory, but it's worth noting Eagles general manager Howie Roseman never had a face-to-face interview with Dillard prior to last year's draft and Philadelphia thought he would never be on the board at No. 22 when the franchise traded up to select him. Per Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Dillard struggled to adapt to the city of Philadelphia and the NFL locker room. That could play a factor if the Eagles did inquire about Williams.

Cleveland has been interested in a trade for Williams for some time and former Redskins head coach Bill Callahan is the Browns' offensive line coach. Callahan was the Redskins' offensive line coach from 2015 to 2018, helping Williams earn four consecutive Pro Bowl selections and establishing him as one of the best left tackles in the game. So it appears Williams would be a natural fit to join the Browns. ESPN's Josina Anderson has reported "everything is still open at this point" regarding Williams and the Browns.

The Jets have committed toward revamping their offensive line this offseason, signing Greg Van Roten, Connor McGovern, George Fant, Alex Lewis and Josh Andrews tin free agency. Williams would complete the revamp as the protector of Sam Darnold's blind side.

The Vikings have Riley Reiff at left tackle, but Williams would be an immediate upgrade there. Minnesota could move Reiff to right tackle (where he played in 2016 with the Detroit Lions). Reiff has two years and $27.15 million remaining on his contract, but Minnesota could save $8.8 million in cap space if the Vikings were to release him.

The market is heating up for Williams, as the seven-time Pro Bowler appears close to finding a new home. Williams' saga with the Redskins may have finally reached its conclusion.

I had heard yesterday somewhere that the skins are now just trying to get maybe a 2 or a couple lower round picks bundled together-because they say we are still the odds on to get Williams but they noted that there are 3 other teams still in the hunt. One of those teams-Philly said nope-not in the hunt.
I would throw a 3 out there or a contingent couple of picks-probably one from next year and tell the skins to take it or leave it-and i would want to know by #7 pick if it is a deal or not and also have a plan in place because the lions at 3 (cost too much) and the Panthers and Arizona are both looking to trade down. I would trade for Trent and then move up 3 spots for Simmons

That’s what i was wondering ...

Are we gonna wait til after our pick at 10 and see if the tackle we want is there ... if not we make the trade ..

Who knows what the plan is ... we’ll know soon enough ...

I'd give our 3rd if we got their 4th back... and that contract would be acceptable. I would do this deal, though I still think we can get him as a free agent in a few weeks.

Aside from that, there is no way I give up more than a 4th.
They have no leverage at all and have stuck to their guns way past the point where they had any. They completely missed the boat on selling high and now they will eventually realize that they are in the boat of just trying to get anything.

I think, but am not certain, that the passage of time has decreased the asking price because no team offered the king's ransom that Washington was reportedly asking for. The season is approaching [hopefully] and I doubt Washington wants to go into another year of just keeping him in limbo. It's kind of like the supply and demand thing.

Of course, I could be dead wrong. Just speculating.

I actually do not believe there are four LT's in this draft worthy of the #10 pick. I highly doubt we have more than two of them targeted with that #10 pick. So to me it's more than likely that we'll be trying to make a trade for Williams than not.

I agree, Pit. I think we continue to try to trade for him up until our pick. I think if we try after the pick at 10 (if we don't take an OT there), then the price goes up. The perception at that point could be that we didn't get who we wanted, so now we're desperate and have to pay more.

Actually having four teams looking at a deal for Williams makes a lot of sense to me. With Miami at #5 and the Jets at #11, I think it bolsters my opinion that a lot of teams do not see as many top LT prospects as the media is telling us.

I don't believe this article for one second. The Eagle's interest has already been debunked.

I suspect that this is just the Skins talking to writers to try to bump up the appearance of interest.
The Jets are literally the only other possibility of the teams listed because the Eagles are not in it and the Vikings would have to be trying a player-for-player trade in order to take on his salary and still be able to sign rookies; not likely.


Since we're picking at 10 and they are at 11, one of us two will likely end up with him, but I'd venture a guess that we're both sitting tight to see what players fall to us in the Draft.

While it seems some others disagree, I do agree with you. Of course some people feel we are the only team looking at trading for Williams. There are a lot of teams in need of a LT and to think there are a lot of them in the draft who are just "plug and play" I think would be fooling ones self. Landing him before our #10 pick would certainly be an advantage in terms of leverage.

I totally discount the possibility that Williams will just be released if the skins don't take a deal now. At any point over the first few rounds of the draft he could be traded at any point and the demand far outweighs the supply.

Do you think the asking price is the same as it was during last year's regular season? We were looking at reports of a first rounder and more.

I could be wrong, but I don't think they will receive that much right now.

This is where my head is as well Purp, although ideally I would like to have this done before the draft. I think it could change our strategy a bit and help us come away with better players that are ranked higher on our board as opposed to drafting for need.

That is assuming we don't have any of these OT ranked in the top 10..which I am reading more and more of, that the media is hyping these guys more than team actually view them.

Yep, I agree this is how it works. Washington has no leverage right now. Once tackles start coming off the board, we lose some leverage. Once we make our pick, if it isn't a tackle, we lose our leverage....though we still have the option of Peters as a last resort.

Washington, by waiting, could see Trent's value go up. But, they also risk getting stuck with him and having no leverage if he is still on their roster after the draft. Also, any compensation at that point would have to come in the form of a player or next year's draft pick.

The Skins have precious few hours left to get something for him in this Draft. If it happens at all during the Draft, it would likely be tomorrow before things resume; maybe Saturday. The pressure to get something done is all on them; not us.

I just don't see us panic buying, and I don't see us not having him changing our strategy. I think our strategy is a constant and whether or not we get him depends on what comes to us. I think we are BPA all-the-way unless we have two equally ranked players sitting there and one fills a higher need. If following that leaves us still needing a LT, then we'll circle back. Just my feelings on things and how I'd approach it.

One thing I absolutely will never worry about is Berry & Depo losing a battle of wits with, or getting taken by, Dan Snyder.