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Redskins might be hoping Dorsey was still here and they took his weekly call offer of a first rounder.

Most certainly not. That ship sailed last year. I think teams will look at it as a complete picture. One has to look at it as the overall price tag and not just the draft capital.

When you combine what he will demand in terms of a contract along with the draft capital, I would be amazed if they even receive a second round pick for Williams.

If a trade including a first round pick could have been made, I think that deal would have been done before now.

well, we could have told them that in February.

I could see the Vikings stealthily being interested. The Jets are totally interested. Philly, definitely not.

The Vikings don't have the cap space, currently, to make it happen. They'd have to trade a player as part of it to make it even remotely work, and then they'd still be in a quandry for signing rookies.

Its to bad KJ left us in such a ”mess” or maybe we could be in the mix for him ... ...

I read somewhere that a lot of NFL Execs are saying that Trent would be the highest rated LT in this class even at age 31. That is nuts and speaks to the potentially overhyped media portrayal of the Tackles in this class.

Give up a 3 and don't look back. He have the cap space, the need, and the draft capital.

The smoke is all saying we land Trent Williams today for a third round pick (or later). That is good news.

Let's suppose they are correct about Williams being better than any LT in this draft class. By most accounts he is a top five LT in the league.

So what are the odds that any of these LT's will be a top four LT in the NFL and why would drafting a top 10 or 15 LT in the NFL at #10 be a bad thing?

If that would be the price tag I'm all for it.

I'm not going to really be excited until i find out what kind of contract they agree to with him

What we really care about is that the one we potentially pick becomes a quality player. The chances of that are not great especially considering we will be picking the third or fourth tackle in the draft.

If we give up a fourth round pick or less then I could care less what the contract is. That is insane value.

The argument could be made that Williams is the best LT in the league - not a top 5. Second, the success rate of a first round pick is about 55%. Outside of that though, there will be a run on tackles in the draft in front of the Browns. If that is true, then that would mean the Browns would be using that #10 pick on the 4th or 5th rated tackle or worse. There's also that possibility that the tackle available is not a LT.

LT is the 3rd most valued position on the team after QB and Edge Rusher. Would you be satisfied with the 15th rated QB or Edge Rusher? Williams will give the Browns 3-4 years of solid play in my opinion. Any rookie we draft will never get to Williams level in the next 2-3 years. You have to ask yourself, is that acceptable?

Money, to be paid the top rate of LT the money is going to be around 17-18 million per year. The Browns could front end load it with bonuses where they would have no dead money in years 3-4 if Williams needed to be released. However, when people talk about giving a Clowney (who'd be the off side edge rated as #7 in team value) 18-19 million but are hedging on Williams is a little mind numbing. Top rated QB's are making close to 30-million. Top end edge rushers are in the low 20's. Top end LT's are in the 16-18 bracket. If you want the best then you have to pay the price.

Now the Browns could go cheap and get an old FA or a 2nd or 3rd tier player. Or the Browns could take a chance on an unproven rookie. Or the Browns could trade for a proven commodity that has value and addresses the LT opening with value.

What the Browns do with the LT position will have a huge bearing on the success of the team this year. If you do not believe the LT is of that great of an importance, wait and see what happens if the FO makes the wrong decision on the position. The Browns have suffered offensively since Joe Thomas retired and there's a reason for that - LT is a critical position to the team. If the Browns go cheap it will reflect in the offense this year and all the other moves will have been a waste. It happened last year and if not addressed will happen again this year.

To me it's more about where have the remaining LT's slotted on our board than whether it's the third or fourth LT selected.

As an example. Now I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with me on how I have the LT's rated. But I'm simply using this as an example.

I have Thomas as the top rated LT. Then I have Wills as my second rated LT. To me, I have both of those LT's ranked as a top 10 pick.

If per say the top two LT's taken are Wills and Whirfs taken in the draft, Thomas would still be there at #10. In that case I would select Thomas.

So to me it all boils down to where our FO has these LT's ranked on their big board far more than it is which ones are selected before our pick. I believe each team has their own boards and their ranking won't all be the same. I don't think our team or any other team should abandon their big board based on the selection of other teams.

Hopefully I laid that out in manner that makes sense.

The caveat I have in your scenario is how will the cap hit of Williams impact the re-signing and future of our roster? You don't build a team on FA's.

Every draft pick comes with risks. And yes, I think a LT that ranks in the top half of the league would do just fine at a fraction of the cost. I would certainly love having Williams here. But to me it's not an all or nothing proposition as some seems to feel it is.

JT was right; Manziel was a great QB, in college!!

I'm beginning to wonder what if there has been a deal and it's being a close held for different reasons?

I took a break about an hour ago and checked on my ipad and there was a story on CNN about a "possible" Trent Williams trade shaking up the top half of the first round.
King said there have been a couple suitors all along and he guessed that a late comer could be Seattle and Tampa Bay.

I then checked the twitter sphere and there was a tweet from a blogger with the skins who said that there was a good source that said that the trade to the Browns heated back up in the last few days and was basically done. He also said they would wait till later tonight and the comp was either third or fourth from tonight and a second from next year.
I would in that scenario make this year a 4 and make next year contingent on Williams making x number of starts or the pro bowl.

And with that being said, if it were true...I still think i would see what it takes to move from 10 to 7 if Simmons is still on the board.

Like other negotiations with other clubs?

Hope that is not true. I wouldn't give up anything more then our late 3rd this year for the guy, adding next years 2nd rnd pick is way to much Williams.

Hmm.. damn wish I was a fly on the wall listening in..

yep!

I would still bet that half of that is last minute pre-draft hype and the other half is the Skins trying to drum up interest because their window to get something worthwhile in this draft is closing rapidly.

No bet.

I'm keeping busy..

I just organized the table in my den in front of the TV with my laptop so I can ZOOM my tailgating buddies.. my draft magazines and the Big Board Top 150 list and a 4 color pen with a ruler to line out taken picks.

Oh, and a shot glass filled with tequila for our pick.

Also, just ordered 3 Grateful Dead face masks.

Can't help it. Draft Day is the biggest day of the year for Browns fans.

Not anymore ,,,

I don't why he would publicly hint to what the Browns were thinking ahead of the draft. What is the point of making anything public?

If Washington trades out of #2, say with Miami, I believe that could be an indicator will trade Trent to us and select the best OT at #5. Could be...

I think picks one and two are locked in.

I didn’t get much out of what he said.

Agreed.Probably more likely than not.

JC

Hearing the Raiders wanna trade Gabe Jackson for cap reasons .. late rounder might do it?

pit, I do not know much about contracts, but if we got williams and could load his dollars into the first two years, we could have money available in two years for what we hope is a franchise qb’s second contract and maybe also an elite corner’s second contract. These would be on top of Myles contract next year.we would need to be free of the big money. we need to draft one o f the other tackles this year to allow him to spend two years developing.

If we gget Trent, then draft Terrance Steele, Texas Tech, with one of our 3rd round picks. (I believe I've said this before...lol).

Who are you hearing this from?

Not sure he fits the scheme we want to run and according to PFF he was their 40th ranked OG last year plus he's making $10 mill a year.

Thanks