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I don't know how his draft stock is trending. I'm not sure how you would determine that, especially in the present circumstances. I think he could play deep for the Browns and his skill set is better than most for FS.

Unless there is a run on Safeties in the second round and Delpit Mckinney and Winfield are all off the board I think pick 41 is too high for Davis.

No way he is BPA at pick 41. That's a reach for need.

Like I said, I had him as 3rd or 4th round pick initially. I was just responding to a post that said he was mocked to us in the second.

Ashtyn Davis PFF big board #33

https://youtu.be/-1DkaQQUjac

Thanks.

My statement wasn't meant as a shot at you. A lot of posters emphasize BPA all over the board. I also stated that given a run on Safeties I could understand taking him in round 2. I like him. But objectively he's not top 50.

I realize that different draft analysts will have him rated on their particular criteria.

I didn't take it as a shot, bro. It's cool. Just conversing.

I'd like to have Davis on the Browns. Stopping the run is a greater importance to me. So I look to strengthen the IDL before addressing the secondary. Won't be long we'll see how it plays out.

I don't know enough about the safeties we signed to know how big a need safety is ... and of the two I don't know if FS or SS is the greater concern.

That said - my preference for any secondary player is instincts over measurables ... nice to have both and I don't know which do and do not have either or both in this year's draft class. But I am always a little leary of track speed guys ... a mis-step on an initial read negates nearly all the benefit of a fast 40 time. The CB's and Safeties who have enough burst and speed to recover from those mis-steps are very few and far between. A wrong angle to an open field ball carrier is catastrophic (see Peppers when he was asked to play deep) and a missed tackle is the same.

Not sure about him being related to Dave, but he is the son of Antoine Winfield Sr.

Very true and I tried to bring that up in my OP.

There are a ton of guys who can play well in the box. A true FS who has great range, makes great reads, and can break on the ball is extremely hard to find.

I like to browse ProFootballReference.com and I was surprised to see that Eric Turner - maybe the best Browns' FS of all time - played SS his first two years in the league. He went to 2 Pro Bowls as a FS in the middle of his career, but then went back to SS in his last two years.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TurnEr00.htm

Not that its a common occurrence, but its at least possible to find a SS with physical skills to convert to FS. Also, as someone else posted recently, I'm surprised some of the larger, more physical CB's don't convert to FS in their later career.

I like to get ahead of my mistakes. After my post yesterday ironically I saw several rankings rating Davis as a second-round selection.

I also agree with EO, that he is ideally suited to play FS which is a more rare skillset particularly in this draft. I also feel Joseph will man the SS this year and possibly is a long-term option at the position lessening but not eliminating the need to draft another SS prospect.

Yes, Joseph is a SS only. And I'm not that high on him in coverage. But, that's what you get w/a ton of SS types.

Myles Dorn seems intriguing - someone who can play both positions and is versatile would offer a lot of flexibility in scheme -

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/myles-dorn-has-pedigree-and-potential-to-be-nfl-starter

Great thread by the way.

That was good. Thanks.

Although, he better correct ducking that head while tackling. I like how he gets low, but keep the head up.

After reading a lot of posts I didnt see this guy mentioned anywhere. He is a really interesting case and maybe a huge sleeper.

Kenny Robinson, Jr. | S | West Virginia/XFL
Elevator Pitch
Robinson’s unconventional route to the NFL draft is unproven and makes him somewhat of a risk, but the talent is there for him to blow everyone’s expectations of him out of the water. He’s a rangy, athletic and intelligent safety with the potential to be a steal later in the draft.

Vitals
Height | 6-1

Weight | 202

College Bio Page

Career Stats

XFL Stats

Strengths
If you like safeties who fit that centerfielder mold, then Robinson is a prospect you should get to know.

Robinson has crazy good range and has the lateral quickness and hip fluidity to be a reliable defender covering in single-high formations. He is a quick processor who is able to read the eyes of quarterbacks and diagnose the play before it comes to fruition. Once he makes that read, he is aggressive and quick in charging to close in on the ball and make a play. He can dominate in underneath coverage, as that allows him to accelerate downhill and jump a receiver’s route. The St. Louis Battlehawks star has very good ball skills too, as he can track down the ball and make difficult adjustments to it.

In addition to his athleticism, Robinson also possesses very good length for the safety position. His height and his long arms give him value if ever placed into man coverage or jump-ball situations. Regardless of the level he plays at, he is a rock-solid producer: he had 7 interceptions in his two seasons at West Virginia, and he had two picks in the five games he played in the XFL before the season shut down due to the novel coronavirus (COVID-19). In a league that’s pass-heavy, a ball-hawking safety like Robinson comes at a premium, so there will likely be a team who takes a chance on him due to his high ceiling. He also can lower the boom as a tackler and isn’t afraid to deliver a powerful hit to a ball-carrier.

Weaknesses
What makes Robinson a unique case is that nobody has ever followed his exact route to the NFL before. This version of the XFL is still brand-new, and he is the only player who has left the college ranks to play in the league. While other draft prospect were participating in the Combine and practicing for their Pro Days, Robinson was playing in games and intercepting former NFL players like Matt McGloin and Cardale Jones. He hasn’t had the benefit of having his 2019-20 tape out there for as long as college players have, which has made him a bit of a sleeper in this year’s class.

On the field, Robinson is still a work in progress as a tackler. The diagnosing abilities are there, but he’s inconsistent in his effort and the angles he takes in pursuit as a run defender. When he’s facing a ball-carrier head-on, he’s a bit of a catch tackler who waits for the ball-carriers to come to him, instead of him going to chase a defender down. From an angle, his form isn’t all that great, as he relies too much on his arms as a tackler, and he doesn’t always play at full speed. His underneath instincts are still developing, and the communication of duties between him and his teammates at cornerback is still a bit of a work in progress.

Projection: Day 3
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Kenny is my favorite 6th round pick.

Worse thing that could happen is we cut him if his character becomes a concern, setting a precident that whether or not you are drafted does not matter once you're on the team.

Besides, what other guy is going to be available with his skill set?

Sets up perfectly for us tomorrow

Hopefully no safeties are drafted in the first nine picks today then we can take who we like the best like we did at LT

I agree. I’m rooting for OL and WR to be selected early

Xavier McKinney.

There are some very good RB's to be had too - could see 1 or 2 going before our pick.

Good point

Unless there is quite a run on Safeties the Browns should be able to get a really decent one if they choose to.

Ashtyon Davis is a very fast true free safety. Probably tghe best center-fielder of the bunch. While playing deep he has more int and pass break ups than allowed catches.

Jeremy Chinn is a very physical safety but probably more of a strong safety than a free safety. Can line up as a linebacker when needed. Could come in handy playing the Ravens

Antonie Winfield is also a very good safety. Smart and instinctive. Had injury issues but was healthy last year. Huge reason why Minnesota was so much better on defense last year. Probably more of a free safety.

Xavier McCinney a versatile safety that can play either free or strong. No as fast as the other safeties listed but is safe.

Grant Dilpit - Best cover safety in the draft. He is worthy of a trade up to get in my opinion. He is special. I do not see him there when we pick but at the same time Greedy fell to us last year so anything can happen.

j/c:

Okay, I asked this on another thread..........but, why isn't anyone mentioning Stone. Dude is excellent in coverage. What am I missing that no one is even talking about him on here?

Btw----I don't want a SS. I want a true FS who can patrol the deep parts of the field. A dude w/range. Also, a guy who we can cover slot receivers when need be. Say no to SS types.

I know this guy is projected to be available in round 3 but I doubt that is true —- I hope we grab him

#41 - Chinn S -- Safety prospect with compelling size, speed and athletic ability. He has man cover skills. Very willing and able as a tackler

BUT —- if we can get Ashtyn Davis then we could wait until round 3

Yeah, getting Davis in round 3 would be great

Davis probably has the best chance at being avalible in the 3rd round, because of medical questions ... a victim perhaps of the CCP virus.

And he has the best range of the deep Safety's in the Draft at the expense of physical attributes for the position.

The knock on Dilpit is that he misses a bunch of tackles.

I would like one of each

Help me out, what school does Stone go to?

Iowa. He’s projected as a ss

He avoids tackles , lol ... this kid takes himself out of the game a bunch of times for looks like really minor stuff. PASS