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I like it. He seems to be more of a 2 down LB, but with more depth at S now we can afford it

Guess we spent a lot of time scouting the sec west....

Probably a 2 down guy who gets lost in pass defense. Not a fan of this pick.

Meh, would have drafted Trautman the TE or LB Harrison.

Good run defender. Fills gaps well. Pretty fast on tape. Poor coverage skills.

Would have been a great pick had we re-signed Joe. Considering we let Joe go and signed the stiff from GB, the pick is a bit of a head-scratchier.

Thought he was a 4th round guy...but late 3rd is reasonable...we obviously needed a LB, hoping he pans out.

Harrison goes to the Rats.

Baltimore is destroying my psyche

We shall see how it goes... I remember him standing out. I dont like really like the idea of 2 played on the same team drafted together playing together.

So, for that reason, Harrison would have been a good pick. Lol

Naturally!

I like the pick. Another SEC player.


Why not? Might as well go with the kids who play at the top of the chain.

I wonder if the already having some familiarity/communication factored into the pick with the strange offseason it looks like we're in for.

I like the pick. Would have preferred Harrison. Phillips ran a 4.66 at the combine at 229 lbs. Harrison also ran a 4.66 at the combine at 247 lbs. I would always takethe bigger guy when all things are even.

The Browns needed a MLB. And, against the run he is an upgrade. This defense needs that.

From the Athletic.

97. Cleveland Browns (from HOU): Jacob Phillips, LB, LSU
I have some concerns about what Phillips offers in coverage due to the tightness in his movements. But he has a quick trigger to read and go, tracking the ball and making stops. And he rarely misses tackles once he arrives at the ball carrier. This is a little earlier than I thought he would go, but I can understand the pick because of Phillips’ diagnose and finishing skills.

LB has become a 2 down position.

Minus players like Joe Schobert

Unless you have a guy like Joe Schobert. Too bad we had no chance at signing a guy like that.

Thanks Dorsey!

Yes. It is all Dorsey's fault. The new FO had absolutely no time to re-sign Joe. They were not allowed to talk to him before Jax was. Damn Dorsey. What an idiot!

Yes, Schobert was an until they score a touchdown LB. Or was it a there's another first down LB? Unfortunately, never leaving the field is kind of a double-edged sword at times.

Apparently it's late and I'm getting cranky. Joe wasn't that bad.

I'm thinking it might be the cerebral part of the game we liked about Phillips that set him apart a bit perhaps.

j/c

Everything I'm hearing about this player gives me the impression this is a mediocre pick. I'll be interested in what they say about their reasons for drafting him.

What a day 2! Lets sum things up.

We take a safety that can't tackle & takes poor angles, but played hurt & can cover.

We take a DT that can't finish & doesn't like to wear orange helmets. Looks like a project.

We take a light weight ILB that's a tackling machine, but can't cover.

We trade away a rush LB that can cover to NO.

We take the LSU LB & the very next pick the Ravens take MH a run stuffing MLB from OU.

Oh ya, we get a 3 next yr. that will be closer to a 4.

Can't wait for tomorrow!!!!!!

Should have taken Malik Harrison, no brainer.

Good to see you on board finally.

I’m not sure it was even mediocre. He supposedly doesn’t miss tackles but has trouble getting off blocks? We should have gone with Harrison.

Special teamer and backup for Mack Wilson?

I just hope he can get on the field.

We really should probably hurry up and sign him so we can cut him.

We haven't signed him yet?!?!?

This front office. . .

Amateurs.

That's OSU, Ohio State, OU is Ohio University, the bobcats.

#Browns Kevin Stefanski on LBs on roster: Youth is a good thing. We're a hungry group. We're going to roll a bunch of guys out there and see what we've got.

@ScottPetrak

Nick Rizzo Per Bucky Brooks (NFL Network)
“97) Jacob Phillips, LB, Cleveland Browns
An active linebacker with impressive athletic traits, Phillips flies around the field with reckless abandon but lacks the strength and take-on skills to be an immediate starter. The LSU product could develop into a starter in time with skill refinement.

98) Malik Harrison, LB, Baltimore Ravens (via Patriots)
The former high school QB has become quite the thumper as a second-level defender. Harrison is an explosive take-on defender in the running game with the length and strength to quickly discard blockers at the point of attack, before flowing to the ball. He is just as active as a pass defender with intriguing blitz skills and coverage ability.”

Big reach. Ravens get Malik Harrison. Oof.

Hopefully it works out.

Ahem, I’ve heard whispers of game.

Jarvis and Odell need to be the example, the template.

You vouch for them, it’s on you 2, accountability.

What’s interesting to me is that we can very easily judge Berry’s draft ... I mean basically EVERY time we made a pick, immediately after that pick someone was picked at the SAME position. I can’t remember the last time I felt this was so black and white:

- LT - Wills or Wirfs/Becton
- S - Delpit or Winfield
- ILB - Phillips or Harrison

I don't disagree.. He is good against the run, something Schobert wasn't all that good at.

I think it evident that Woods is going to employ nickle and even dime as our "base" a good portion of the time so somebody has to come off the field.

I liked Joe as well, but it seems clear that we made the decision as a coaching staff that having another safety or corner in coverage is better that having a backer in coverage.

In running downs, we want run stoppers, and Joe wasn't that.

That said, I agree, I would have probably gone Harrison with that pick. Then again, we don't know exactly what type of coverage we are going to ask this kid to play if called on to do so.

If the other team gets skinny and we are stuck in big, I suspect we are going to be in some sort of zone and not ask him to follow a TE or back around the field. Go in to your zone, then become a run stopper, something at which he excels.

You know that football is more and more a match-up game. You try to gain the advantage. When you can't or don't, get your players in the best position possible to do what they do best.

This kid is a tackler. Don't worry about breaking up the pass. Don't let the guy out of your zone in to the next for a gash play. Make the tackle.

That is doing your job as the player, or as a coach not asking someone to do things they can't. Sometimes you are going to give up yards.

Other coaches are pretty good. It's a game of chess. Sometimes you are going to get stuck in a bad spot.

Football is changing. On D, backers are the expendables.

You aren't going to eliminate the fatties up front. You are going to keep them to hope you kill the play before it happens. After that, being a passing game, you are going to put as many good cover guys on the field as you can in traditional passing downs.


It's why Simmons was so valued. After guys like that, you have to pick your poison. Give up yards on the ground or give them up in the air.

Since most running plays average less than completed passes, you give up ground yardage.

Pretty simple in my book.

I wonder what total yards per play attempted looks like? I am talking about total yards per running play v passing plays, completed or not. Even deduct yards lost via sack or tackled behind the LOS.

Depo probably knows. It would be a interesting stat. Do you or anybody else know? I don't.

Phillips sounds like he is good against the run, good tackler, hustles but isn't good in coverage. Good potential but I would have preferred Harrison. Time will tell. JMO

I like this pick. I was also a fan of Harrison, but I think Phillips has a much higher ceiling, in particular in pass coverage.

I think what everyone is seeing in Harrison, we already have here with Taki.