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Seals Jones was pretty good last year. If Bryant is an upgrade to that, people will start buying a bunch of Bryant jerseys.

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I thought he said Roster, not Starter.

If he said Starter he's dead wrong.

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He said roster, but still I think the numbers don't Jive

The rest of the roster would have to be made up overwhemingly of 4th To 7th round picks to balance out the numbers he said.


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This was an a++ draft. We got all the way to the 6th round before I saw a pick that I hated.

I believe we got the #1 tackle, #1 safety, 3rd or 4th best dt. The rest are just core type players.

Loved the TE pick as well after watching some video on him. Not a great blocker but he has tremendous effort on every play and he can get iut and catch.

There is a few undrafted receivers I would love for us to take, u know one that can actually catch the ball.

Now go out get a Clowney and let's do this thing.

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We filled holes as well as any draft I can remember.
We got solid talent each pick.

I give it a A at best a B- at worst.


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I believe this was a really solid draft for the Browns.

Jedrick Wills was a no-brainer he will be a stud, very solid pass blocker and an absolute muller when run blocking. With Chubb, Hunt and the rebuild at the TE position, I see the Browns becoming a power running offense. Wills to me was the best run blocker of the T group. Conklin on the right end is going to help Chubb and Hunt become the best RD tandem in the league.
The Browns have needed an identity for many years so here it is, Chubb and Hunt running behind Wills, Bitonio, Tretter, Teller, Conklin.

I really like that the Browns went big in FA at T the turned around and used the 1st round pick on a T to solidify the ends of this line for a long time and I like just as much that they did the same at TE by bringing in Hooper in FA the drafted Bryant the 4th. Stefanski's high use of two TE formation would not have looked as good without the additions made in FA and this draft. Bryant was one of my favorite picks made in this draft.

I think by drafting WR Peoples-Jones so late shows that the Browns intend to keep Higgins around a bit longer, its a new coach and a new start for Higgins this year and I think he fits in well in this WR group.

I like the pick of C Harris which gives the Browns a legit backup behind Tretter.

Delpit was a value pick in the 2nd at a position of need and I can see him becoming a fan favorite once we see the difference he makes in the backfield. Not worried about any of the tackling issues that have been reported, he will be surrounded by Greedy Williamd and Denzel Ward who showed last year that they are not afraid of contact.

My other favorite pick in this draft was Elliott who I think is going to become the player that takessome of the pressure off of Myles Garrett. Elliott's ability to burst into the backfield at times is going to create problems opposing OL's. Think we will be seeing much more rotation on the DL than we did in the last few years. The addition of Billings in FA and the drafting of Elliott address some of the failure the Browns defense had stopping the run last year.

Last is the LB Phillips pick in the 3rd, many seem disappointed whit this selection and I really have no clue about the LB, but when you remember back to last year just how bad the tackling was with all the Browns LBs I can understand why he was drafted. The Browns desperately need a sure tackler at this position and I think they got him. I bet we will see him on the field for most plays two games a year when we play Baltimore and need his tackling ability to keep Lamar in check.

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Thanks for this post with our other teams. Happy to see it, read it, and be able to compare a bunch of these guys. Didn't know a number of them this year.

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eve, I think we improved ourselves every bit as much as the ravens did. we added a starting left tackle and a starting free safety. Even tho it does not affect this season I especially like taking a guy to be our future center when j.t. is done, and he will have a couple of seasons in the system to boot. the d lineman we took will strengthen our rotation with that group.

I am surprised that none of those reporters asked about the decision to pass on Malik Harrison for Phillips. They seemed pretty comparable in measureables but Malik is 20-25 lbs heavier. Ii would have liked to know what went into that call.

According to Andrew press conference nothing has come down from the nfl about resumption of team activities. I think they should start rookie camp at the normal time. Get every player tested before camp and isolate them in camp for the duration. When it comes time for the otas do the same thing with the entire team. There is no reason to delay things that are limited to a small testable group.

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Is it just me, or did this draft seem to be deeper than most?

Maybe it's just that some players didn't have a chance to have their flaws plastered all over the place?


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I had a feeling PFF would like our draft. thumbsup


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I do not know which (if any) of the talking heads you like but I like Daniel Jeremiah. In the weeks leading up to the draft he mentioned several times that this was one of the deepest drafts he could remember.

bizarre small world thing. When I was a kid Daniel jeremiah’s grandfather was the pastor at my church in Dayton.

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It felt to me that this draft was good in rounds 2-3 .. lots of similar talent between picks 25-100.

I do think we got a top tier OT and 2-3 “good” prospects


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This was a big booty draft not much on top but a whole lot going on at th he bottom.

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Originally Posted By: Mourgrym
This was a big booty draft not much on top but a whole lot going on at th he bottom.


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Did anyone catch this yesterday?

65% of all NFL Rosters are comprised of Players drafted in Rounds 4 thru 7 and UDFA's.

Never thought about that. That's interesting. Salary Cap plays a role.

No wonder the CBA passed. Lol.


A good case for Contraction, Remove about 4 teams from the NFL by disbanding them, allowing their talent to be dispersed to the remaining teams.

And maybe a case they are getting paid too much.
Well.
I can't even believe that statement with what the owners make, how about:
The top 4 round players are getting paid too much in relation to the bottom other round players,
and that's why!

The top 4 round players don't make up more of the rosters, because the owners keep on cutting them for rookies,

And we see Bad Football as a result.
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Yeah C- C- Ytown!
They passed on JK Dobbins, if you believe he's going to be great,
They had Beckton at 360 lbs go to the Jets a pick after you had your choice of OT's and picked a smaller one, if you believe that matters,
They passed on Malik Harrisson in favor of the player they took Philips, if you believe the first one was better, one pick later

They watched Baun go, if you believed he was a fit, when he fell to your pick, for a "trade down" and he gets selected in the pick you gave up,
and the trade down was of poor value, I don't need to explain, picks gained for given up

The Texans, Jets, Titans, Steelers, and Ravens, had nice drafts, I,
I don't recall, but my memory is guessing at least 3 of those teams found solid DT's comparing favorably to the DT the Browns picked up, and at least marginaly matched with OT's the OT you picked up

IN a poker game of high card, you kept drawing 9s and Jacks, and watched your AFC rivals, division and otherwise pull out 9s and Jacks, to match you,
So you didn't get better vs. them, in improvement

As one might have hoped.

So that, even a very solid draft,
in the context of your rivals,
A slightly unfortunate case of C-

But of course, You can fix all of that, One simple way,

Stefanski, Berry, and the rest just need to be More Adept, at developing your young talent than the other teams in the AFC,
Texans, Titans, Jets, Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals,

Given the Browns track record: Of player development, and scheme, They got this! thumbsup


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First, i'm gonna post this. I put it in another thread, but it took me awhile to scroll with my ipad and find all these guys rankings.

So, for reference for anyone interested, here's where our guys were picked and rankings by Bruegler and Jordan Reed

Jordan Reed's Draft Guide
Wills (Round 1, 10): Pos. 1st. Overall 5.Early 1st
Delpit (Round 2, 44): Pos. 2nd. Overall 31. Early 2nd
Elliot (Round 3, 88): Pos. 8th. Overall: 79. Early Third
Philips (Round 3, 97): Unranked
Bryant(Round 4, 115): Pos. 5th. Overall: 122. Mid 4th
Harris (Round 5, 160): Pos. 11 (this includes all guards and centers). Overall 134. Early 5th.
Peoples-Jones (Round 6: 187): Pos. 16. Overall 99. Early 4th


Dane Bruegler's Draft Guide
Wills (Round 1, 10): Pos. 1st. Overall: 5th . 1st Round
Delpit (Round 2, 44): Pos. 4th. Overall: 46th . 2nd Round
Elliot (Round 3, 88): Pos. 6th. Overall: 68th. 2nd-3rd Round
Philips (Round 3, 97): Pos. 17. 5th Round
Bryant (Round 4, 115): Pos. 3rd. Overall: 85th . 3rd Round
Harris (Round 5, 160): Pos. 4 (this includes all guards and centers). Overall 92nd. 3rd Round
Peoples-Jones (Round 5, 160): Pos. 24 . 4th-5th Round



Anyway, I really only knew two of the guys. I'd heard the name Harrison Bryant thrown around. Maybe SeniorBowl Coverage or something. Maybe a Podcast. Obviously I knew Jedrick Wills and Grant Delpit


Jedrick Wills was the guy i've touted all along. I took a good look into two groups of players. First the tackles. I knew i wanted one in the first round, so i did a heavy amount of research on 5 of them (Wills, Thomas, Wirfs, Becton, Jones, Cleveland), a bit on the 6th (Austin Jackson). Not going into the rest of them, Wills was hands down the top guy on my board for tackles. He was my number 2 guy for the Browns on the Browns Draft Board (Chase Young being number 1).

Wills was an easy A+ pick to me. We stayed calm, stood our ground, let the draft come to us, and we got my guy. First, Wills moves like a tackle. He moves side to side very fluidly, and he has great technique. I don't know much about the fundamentals of football. Never played it, only have watched it. But it became clear to me, early on, that Wills was very technically sound. His passblocking was his strongest asset, but he also was a real tough runblocker. He also seems to play the game with a mean streak. When he gets his hands on you, he hits you. He tosses guys to the ground (pass blocking and runblocking). Dude is ferocious. He has all the athleticism to play the part, and he just seems smooth out there.

From the beginning, i had him as our number 1 tackle on our board. And for everyone that tried to convince me that making the switch to LT would be more difficult for him than all the LT's that switch to right, no one ever gave me any real concrete evidence why it's any different. Later on Andrew Berry and Joe Thomas relayed my point. Plus, we've got a coach who's done it before in Tyronne Smith.

I don't think i've ever been happier about a Browns draft pick (since Joe Thomas) than i was with Jedrick Wills. That name was called, i hopped around, said thank god, and breathed relief.



Grant Delpit: I had Grant Delpit as my 2nd safety (and close with Winfield). I'd have liked to trade up for McKinney, no idea if that was an option, he was the 4th pick of the 2nd round. I think McKinney is a better all-around player and a stud for Alabama. But Delpit is great for our defense and I think he'll immediately be our starting FS. He's a great athlete and he finds his way to the ball/makes plays. He does need to work on his tackling (lots of missed tackles), but it's not like he's unwilling to do it. I think he just needs to clear up some fundamentals. He also played last year with the High Ankle Sprain (hopefully that doesn't become a re-occuring issue). As a FS/Centerfielder, he flies to the ball. He's in the action. He'll be making interceptions and making big stops. Hopefully, we can get the missed tackles figured out, because often the FS is the last line of defense, and he can stop a 25 yard gain from becoming a TD.

I prefered him over Winfield, because i was nervous, in today's TE NFL, that Winfield would have TE's catching jump balls over him in the endzone.


Elliot: Looks like an exciting penetrating defensive linemen. Hope that he works out here. Maybe he can find himself in a 3rd down/backup spot. With Richardson (so underrated for us last year), Larry Ogunjobi (who i like, but didn't seem as great last season), and Andrew Billings (run-stopper), i think Elliot will be the fourth man in the rotation for passing downs. I hope he can make a difference. I'm excited to see where he goes. I also hope that this doesn't spell the end of plans with Larry Ogunjobi (or Richardson, who as i said, i love)


Philips: Obviously, very few of us no much about him. Seems to be a tackling machine though. From what i read, he is great at getting to the ball. Not great at dropping into coverage/zone. We'll see how he fits. Played on the best team in the country, so there's that. Sometimes guys get lost in the mix when they're around a bunch of other studs.


Harrison Bryant: This guy i had heard of. From looking into it, he's a good blocker too. That makes me excited. While many don't seem to, I like Njoku. I'm very excited about Hooper too. I'm not sure what the plans are for Njoku after this year, but i do think he's too talented to forget about just because of the mess that was last season.

So this guy seems like a good all-around athlete, but most importantly, a good blocker. A balanced TE. I think that pretty much sets our TE Group with Hooper, Njoku, Bryant, Carlson


Harris: I don't know much about him, i'll have to look into him to really give my opinion. We just re-signed JC Tretter to an extension. I guess it's good to have a depth signing for Center. JC just turned 29, so it's good to have an insurance policy. Losing a Center can be a disaster as we saw Brian Hoyer's season (when we lost Alex Mack). Seems easier to slip a different position player in at guard, than it is to just put someone in at Center or Tackle. So i've got no problem with a Center Specialist on the team.


Peoples-Jones: Don't know much about him. Guess he's a very good athlete with a lot of talent, who just hasn't produced. Maybe a switch will turn on. I'm not that concerned. I wish we'd just re-sign Rashard Higgins and call that it.

As long as Beckham and Landry are healthy, i don't think any other WRs are going to get much work. Looking at our roster, i just don't see a lot of three WR sets. I'm not interested in Taywan Taylor or Damian Ratley at this point (good special teamers, but i don't expect any substantial production).


Trade Down: I thought we got good value in the trade down, although i'm not sure what the value of 2021 picks are with the college football season in question. Undoubtably, Andrew Berry has thought of this. Some folks get angry because of players on the board, but we dunno where they were on the Brown's Board and we don't know how they fit into our defense

To sum up all my feelings as a whole, I can't really grade it but i'm excited about all the new players. Free Agents and Draftees. I'm ecstatic that we got our two biggest needs covered with great/good players (Wills and Delpit), and i think we can look toward one more LB at some point being added to the roster. We'll keep 5, and i think we'll have a competition of 6. The main five right now i can think of would be Mack, Takitaki, Goodson, Philips. We'll bring in a FA, and there'll be an UDFA pushing guys like Philips and Takitaki. I mean, get on the phone with Michael (however he spells it) Kendricks. That'd be the best thing we could do


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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Browns are going to have a tough time competeing against the Ravens


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I do not think the gap between us and then increased at all. Not sure if it decreased but it did not increase imo. The gap last year was predominantly qb play. If baker returns to his old self that gap will go away. Those are going to be two very competitive games.

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Originally Posted By: keithfromxenia
I do not think the gap between us and then increased at all. Not sure if it decreased but it did not increase imo. The gap last year was predominantly qb play. If baker returns to his old self that gap will go away. Those are going to be two very competitive games.


I agree keithfromxenia, these 2 games are going to be very competitive, we are 2-2 against them in the last 2 years and we are much better now, with a much much improved OL, and Baker done with his sophamore slump, I think we see the Baker from year 1, these 2 teams IMO are close and IMO Pittsburgh's hopes lay with Rothlessburger, but overall are 3rd in this division and I think the gap is bigger now than last year, the Bengals will be improved, how can they not be, but 5 wins would be great for them ... JMHO


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Seals Jones was pretty good last year. If Bryant is an upgrade to that, people will start buying a bunch of Bryant jerseys.


I think Bryant is more of a TE/HBack than RSJ. Much better blocker than RSJ. Might not be as dynamic of a receiver, but a quality guy to have. Reminds me a little more of Barnidge and Steve Heiden than a F Tight End.


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The draft is only part of the battle. Now we've got to get them ready and develop them.

It's the development side of things that we've stunk at as much as the drafting. Some of it was guys that were drafted in the past (Manziel,Gilbert, etc) not putting in the work. Some of it was just not having good plans for players (Erving, Corbett, etc).

One thing about the Wills interview that stuck with me is they talked a good bit about how he prepared and his process. I think they tried to draft "professionals" more than just athletes. Good athletes, certainly, but not just good athletes. Grinders that like getting into the film.

Hopefully the plans the staff have come to fruition.

I can see the fits with what they have talked about as far as scheme. Values seemed to line up well with the PFFs of the world.


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My greatest thought is this:

I love that the Eagles depth chart at QB now reads: Wentz Hurts. rofl


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
My greatest thought is this:

I love that the Eagles depth chart at QB now reads: Wentz Hurts. rofl
they better not sign a 3rd stringer with the last name Nutz


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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"I don't know if it is some mystery, but I think Andrew & I see this thing very similarly," Stefanski said. "When we are talking about this draft, we have some cultural non-negotiables and then we have some schematic non-negotiables."


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I give our draft an A. I think Andrew Berry and our staff worked well together and did a very good job!

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Originally Posted By: PastorMarc
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Browns are going to have a tough time competeing against the Ravens


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I took a quick read on the R's draft, their paper didn't like it, but I did learn one thing, and it hit me

The Browns havent'(seemed to have) done this in 20 years why does it seem like something the Ravens always would.

The Paper was complaining the R's Ot they took was going to have to transition to the middle guard positions.

I dunno, Seems like OT's are far and away the better linemen, more sought after, and Drafting true OT's to transition to a guard spot would give you better toughness on your line.
Than drafting centers, and Guards, which aren't able to transition to the outside because needing more speed and agility.


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throw, I think we do that some. Wasn’t bitonio a tackle at unlv? And Corbett? And I think Forbes was too tho not sure. So we do draft tackles and move them inside.

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Originally Posted By: keithfromxenia
throw, I think we do that some. Wasn’t bitonio a tackle at unlv? And Corbett? And I think Forbes was too tho not sure. So we do draft tackles and move them inside.


Yeah, Forbes played LT at SW Missouri State


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Works for me. If we add in a roster grade for FA, we are sitting as well as we have. Especially seeing, Kizer, JFF, and such in the mirror. The double-barrel of Hue and Freddy. Yeah, this draft and roster look pretty good.

We are undefeated. Play on!


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GM Andrew Berry’s first Browns draft allays fears of Sashi Brown rerun

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Posted Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM

If Alabama's Jedrick Wills can't make the switch from right to left tackle, Andrew Berry's first NFL Draft will lose much of its luster.

If LSU's Grant Delpit doesn't prove to be a playmaking safety at least on par with the University of Minnesota's Antoine Winfield Jr., the afterglow of what Berry oversaw will dim.

The afterglow is real, but Northeast Ohioans have experienced that before. All must remind themselves it might take years to assess what the seven rounds Thursday through Saturday brought the Browns.

But after the draft wrapped up, the youngest general manager in league history showed through his actions and words — at least those heard via Zoom — that he was poised and in control. Berry, 33, allayed some of the fears fans and observers had when he returned to the team in late January.


At that point, some wondered if Sashi Brown 2.0 was in store. Berry was the vice president of player personnel under Brown, who rose from his role as a salary cap and contract manager to become executive vice president of football operations as the Browns went 1-31 over two seasons. Only three players — Myles Garrett, David Njoku and Larry Ogunjobi — from Brown's two drafts remain.

With Berry back after spending 2019 with the Philadelphia Eagles and a more high-profile role for Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta came the worry that analytics would once again reign in Berea.

When GM John Dorsey, assistant GM Eliot Wolf and vice president of player personnel Alonzo Highsmith walked out the door in the front office reshuffling, there was a sense that the football men had left the building.

But Berry and new coach Kevin Stefanski sounded like a leadership team in sync, with Berry praising Stefanski's insight, calmness and intelligence and calling him "a great thought partner in terms of strategy," and not just in terms of Xs nd Os. Considering some of the bad coach-GM marriages of the past (Mike Pettine-Ray Farmer, anyone?) that in itself sounds like progress for a team that hasn't reached the playoffs since 2002.


The Browns did not make the predictable analytics-driven move and trade down in the first round. They stayed at No. 10 and selected Wills, the highest-rated offensive tackle on their board, sparing fans the horrific freefall to No. 30 orchestrated by former coach Bill Belichick and Mike Lombardi in 1995.

They saved their maneuvering for day two, when moving down from 41st to 44th in a deal with the Indianapolis Colts netted them a fifth-round pick used on University of Washington center Nick Harris. The Browns also traded Nos. 74 and 244 to the Saints, sliding to 88th to select Missouri defensive tackle Jordan Elliott. They picked up a 2021 third-rounder in that deal.

That set the Browns up with 10 picks in the 2021 draft, their own in the first six rounds and four more (a third, fourth, fifth and seventh) via trades, three of those coming on Dorsey's watch.

Day two is also where the Browns' moves deserve second-guessing. They chose Delpit over Winfield, the son of the former Garfield High School and Ohio State star lauded for his professional habits and nose for the ball. They passed on Wisconsin linebacker Zack Baun to boost a position of need at No. 74 and selected LSU linebacker Jacob Phillips at 97. The ninth linebacker taken, Phillips was ranked 17th at the position by The Athletic's Dane Brugler. Adding to the teeth-gnashing was the fact that the Baltimore Ravens pounced on Ohio State linebacker Malik Harrison (Brugler's No. 8) with the next pick.


Phillips, the Tigers' leading tackler in 2019 and No. 2 in that category in 2018, was the most head-scratching selection over the three days.

But it didh't feel like Harvard graduates Berry and DePodesta and Stefanski, a Penn product, were trying to prove they were smarter than everyone else by reaching for players or taking several from smaller schools. Their first four picks came from the Southeastern Conference, two from national champion LSU. Three-time All-Ivy League cornerback Berry and Stefanski, a defensive back in college, seemed to find athletes to fit the "smart, tough, accountable mantra" that West Coast scout Adam Al-Khayyal said they have continued to preach.

Of course, it may be four or five years before we know for sure.

The Browns' mystifying avoidance of Ohio State players continued, but that's an indictment of every regime. Since 1977, they have chosen only five Buckeyes. At least Michigan receiver Donovan Peoples-Jones, a sixth-round pick hampered by poor quarterback play during his days with the Wolverines, was heavily recruited by former OSU coach Urban Meyer. If Peoples-Jones sheds the underachiever label, he could be the steal of the draft.


Analytics was obviously in play for the Browns, but it did not overshadow their selections. Pro Football Focus loved their draft, as Cleveland was the only team to choose three of PFF's top 25 — Wills (11, taken 10th), Delpit (15, 44th) and Elliott (23, 88th). PFF had Phillips ranked 184th (taken 97th), Bryant 147th (115th), Harris 93rd (160th) and Peoples-Jones 159th (187th).

The throwback nature of the virtual draft during the coronavirus pandemic eliminated pro days and the 30 pre-draft visits allowed in Berea. Face-to-face interviews were conducted at postseason all-star games, the Senior Bowl and the NFL Combine, but relegated to Skype, Zoom and other remote platforms after that.

Small-school prospects were most affected, according to Glenn Cook, the Browns' assistant director of scouting, but the Browns chose only one, Bryant.

"It was (a challenge), but I'll say this was probably one of the funner times for the pure scout, right?" Cook said Saturday. "It's one of those moments where you have to rely on the tape and leverage that as much as you can.


"I wouldn't say we watched any more tape. To a degree it could become a little bit of an issue if you just second-guessed yourself too much. You had time here and there to say, 'Let me take just one extra look at this particular player.'"

COVID-19 may have forced the Browns to turn back the clock in how they evaluated players, but Berry, Stefanski and their staffs seemed to have a handle on it. Perhaps the football men have not left the building after all.

Marla Ridenour can be reached at mridenour@thebeaconjournal.com. Read more about the Browns at www.beaconjournal.com/browns. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/MRidenourABJ.

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We filled holes as well as any draft I can remember.
We got solid talent each pick.

I give it a A at best a B- at worst.


This is how I feel... overall it felt like a smart/solid draft... several needs addressed... we should get several starters out of this draft.


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I like the fact that we addressed needs. Time will tell how good we did.

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Very happy with the Wills pick, but Delpit is a pick that I like the most after that. I’m liking what I read about him. We haven’t had a true great safety since Eric Turner, so I hope he studs out.


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I agree. We haven’t had a true safety ... especially for numerous years. It’d be awfully nice to have someone back there that teams had to game plan to work around, not work towards


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One never knows. Wills is a great pick. He may end up having trouble moving to the left side. I don't think he will, but if so, we still have a good O-lineman. The guy can block, both pass block and mauling people at the line in run blocking. Just look at the guy. He is about as wide as the desk at which I am typing. He's a big boy. I hope his Mama was a wide hipped woman because I don't think she dropped a 7 pounder when she birther that kid.


Delpit….solid player

I like the Phillips pick, backer from LSU. I watch a lot of SEC football and that guy while not flashy always was around the ball. He is a run stopper. They say his coverage skills lack. I don't know. I don't think guys like Butkus or Lambert were all that good at covering guys. I know they were good at putting running backs on the ground in a hurry.

He might be the opposite of Shobert. Sho was good at covering people, this kid is good at meeting people at the LOS. All things being equal, I'd rather have a tackling machine at backer over a slightly upsized safety who can cover. JMO

Like I said, you don't watch Butkus highlights to see his coverage skills. You watch to see him put people in to the dirt.

Phillips is a dirt player.


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Thoughts on the draft?

Well for starters it sort of reminded me of a Dorsey draft - I remember when Dorsey took over and our drafts went from having an air of panic to them and reacting to what was going on ... to seeming like we had a plan and contingency and knew who we were targeting without fear. And that's how it felt this year with Berry at 32 or 33 as the youngest GM in football. So that was a plus.

Generally I thought we made picks that made a lot of sense - but that doesn't count for squat. We find out about our draft picks through how they play. I will agree that on paper we improved the team significantly.

Regarding the final 3 draft picks - all on Offense - seems to scream to me that they went BPA instead of drafting for need. That's important when you consider we traded out of being able to draft Baun and we didn't take Harrison. Clearly they weren't BPA on the Browns draft board ... commendable that they went with their board, lets hope they were correct!


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I was impressed by Berry and Company's first draft. They had a plan, let the draft come to them, and executed. That was shown by how quickly they had most of their picks in.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Simmons or Brown fell to the Browns at 10. We will never know now.

It seems like the drafted to fill needs, but still got good value. The biggest question mark was the LB, but we'll see how it plays out.

Too early to grade the draft, but I'll just say I was pleased to see how well it looked like everyone was working together (at least on the surface), and how prepared they were. It bodes well for the future. That was my biggest take-away.

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Once again I was told Columbus Ohio had the highest television ratings for the NFL Draft, nationaly.
Maybe local radio just "tells" us this every year.

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I'll try not to comment too much on the picks themselves. We haven't even seen them on a Browns field yet.

I was happy to see we weren't trade-down-happy. I think that proves that this regime isn't Sashi 2.0, which makes me very happy. I think this FO group has done everything they need to do in order to shake that characterization. I will do my best to stop putting that moniker on them.

I don't know if I'm off-base here, but I feel like we were a little too "locked-in" on certain players. It felt like a couple times we were targeting a very specific player, and once that guy was gone, we bailed on the pick and traded down. Conversely, other teams had no problem picking a player from the same position group as we had just picked. This stuck out to me.
I'm not sure if I'm noticing something that wasn't actually there, or did notice something but am making a mountain out of a molehill. I think if we had been a little more open-minded on who we wanted, we would've stayed at one or more of our trade-downs, and gotten a possible-impact-player at a position of need (I'm worried about LB position).

I think we did a great job, overall, of picking players that were projected to go much higher. Projecting draft spots is an extremely subjective process, so I understand that's a "take it for what it's worth" thing, but at the same time, this was a recurring theme throughout our draft (all the way down to a couple of our UDFAs), and I think that's very encouraging (really can't take it any other way).

I definitely got a strong BPA vibe from our draft. We can argue the actual picks themselves, and I already argued above about not landing that impact LB, but that was said with the perspective of what we did is far better than swinging in the other direction. I definitely prefer our approach over the opposite. I also need to keep reminding myself that the LB issue is a FA-problem... not a 2020 draft problem.... in that the problem was created via FA (not re-signing Schobert and not filling that need prior to the draft).


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Originally Posted By: Rottweiller
EO, I loved everything you said, it keeps me from having to type it all out.
1 thing , we drafted Harrison Bryant, TE, FAU, not Hunter from Wash. Our guy is 6'5 the guy you mentioned is the 6'2 guy. Sorry to point that out , but our guy is better. Go Browns


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