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You're going to take an honesty stance on something that is completely your opinion? Come on.

Opinions should at least be based on some type of substance in one direction or the other. Nothing the guy said gave anyone an insight to our drat plans.

If you're going to choose to be disingenuous in your assertation of a situation based on nothing more than whether or not you like his in-laws, then yes, I absolutely am going to call you out for dishonesty.

We have a difference of opinion and you're having a hard time with that. That's a you thing, not me being disingenuous.

There's basically two sides here. There's a side that doesn't think it was a good idea for him to speak on it, to say anything at all. There's another side that says it was no big deal. Both sides are opinions. Yet the side that says it was no big deal is coming back with takes calling the other side dishonest and disingenuous. That doesn't make any sense when it boils down to a difference of opinion.

Adding Reiff to the mix definitely makes a whole bunch of sense for both teams.

When you say you hold the opinion of how he said nothing based on the family he married into, that is a You thing. The Me thing is simply pointing out the absurdity in that.

Why are you talking about trades in this thread?

Ha! You right. My bad. :-p

That's not a very intelligent take away based on what I said, considering the long lineage of dysfunction under the Haslams. And I am not calling you unintelligent. I don't believe you are unintelligent. But you are crafting your own narrative to support your emotional response to a difference of opinion. You are having a hard time with this difference of opinion. Maybe we should chalk it up to a bad day.

No, I'm not having any problem at all, I'm just having a conversation.

That said, I'm ending it here because this is PF and our conversation definitely isn't PF, nor Trades.

Washington played out this scenario about as bad as they could have.

They screwed the pooch alright.

Well, you are a fly. I guess you are on the wrong wall.




LOL....just poking a finger buddy, you know I love ya.

A funny moment in my life...I was up at the lot and you called me for some reason to tell me the gianormous van had a flat and you told me you were waiting for AAA to show up.

I relayed the message to Brian, who was wondering where you guys were, he was counting on you to be there to help....LOL...I am really laughing right now....he looked at me with this look of combined shock and rage and said, "What are they doing? Standing on the side of the road like a bunch of dummies staring at tire? Change the friggen thing!" LOL...seriously, it was hilarious. "None of them know how to change a tire!!??" "Waiting on AAA???!!" LOL...I swear, I am laughing my guts out right now.

Oh Man, I had to compose myself.....funny stuff.


Brian, I don't know if you'll see this, but you without question provided me with one on the funniest memories of my lifetime. Thank-you.


LOL, that was classic. Hey, I was just the messenger, but damn glad I was....LOL

That’s what I thought. Minny took Cleveland, correct? So us, Tampa and Minny, who were the ones supposedly interested in Williams, all drafted OT.

Well played by the Skins, indeed

He'll probably wind up being cut if he continues to voice his opposition to staying in DC. Well played by the Skins indeed. I can't remember a team mis-handling a top tier veteran like this. We laugh at BOB in Houston .... but at least he gets something .....

I agree about Washington, but I think Trent didn't play this well, either. He made some really odd comments early about the medical situation. He also didn't change his stance even after the HC and GM were fired. I think most folks w/a clue knew that he was after a big contract and I think that demand along w/his odd behavior scared some teams off.

That could very well be part of the case as well.

I don't know for certain, but it seems like both the team and the player didn't handle the situation properly.

I would agree.

I think his wanting 20 million per year scared everybody off.

IF this is true Williams appears to be a douche ...


TRENT WILLIAMS
T, WASHINGTON REDSKINS

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Redskins LT Trent Williams declined the team's proposed trade to the Vikings.

Vikings added a first-round talent, Ezra Cleveland, to shore up Kirk Cousins' blindside in the second round of Saturday's festivities, leading Williams to reportedly nix any movement to Minnesota in the process. Whether the Vikings have done well in the draft (and they have through two nights) is a moot point as their organization was realistically one of the last remaining suitors for 31-year-old Williams to land with. At this point, it can't be completely thrown out that he steps away from football entirely in 2020. There's no conclusion to report as long as Williams refuses to play for Washington and, on the other end of the spectrum, other franchises refuse to give in to his lucrative demands. He remains up for grabs as one of the best left tackles in all of football.

RELATED: Ezra Cleveland, Minnesota Vikings
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Apr 25, 2020, 1:32 AM ET

He is obviously not looking to do the Skins any favors.

Was Williams worried a out the compitition from Cleveland?

I think he wants to go somewhere warm. Probably also somewhere without state income taxes.

At this point I wouldn’t touch Williams at all ... too much drama, money, unknowns, etc

I think each side blew this up. The poor screwed pooch is overworked. TW has the bar too high and a reputation for baggage or sideshow or whatever. The Skins didn't help themselves. So while I am sharing the "blame" for what may be an entire season blown for TW, I also am really wondering about the agent in this. Did he blow up client's ego to "rightfully" expect and demand more? Refuse to bend? Posture more than bargain? Or owners stonewalled to "reward" some announcements. Not a two-sided pyramid, the go-between has some kind of presence.

May need to be a bargain to play. Or just retire after what today may represent. I assume his stock is dropping.

Or maybe he’s not a douche ... *L* ...

TRENT WILLIAMS
T, WASHINGTON REDSKINS

Agent Vincent Taylor, speaking for Redskins LT Trent Williams, said "there has been false reporting that Trent and I objected to particular trades."

Taylor added, "I will continue to respect the Redskins' right to negotiate a trade, and hope that the negotiations quickly lead to a trade that is in the Redskins' interest, Trent's interest, and the interest of the other team." This dispels a previous report from NFL Network's Ian Rapoport that Williams declined a trade to the Vikings. This situation just keeps getting worse for Washington. Waiting this long to attempt to get a trade done was curious enough, and now they're seemingly leaking false information in an attempt to swing the public. It remains to be seen who Williams will suit up for in 2020, but it almost certainly won't be the Redskins.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Apr 25, 2020, 11:08 AM ET

Trent just got traded to the 49ers for a 5 today and a 3 next year

And Joe Staley is retiring, so that makes sense

Brent Sobleski Retweeted

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
1m
49ers are trading RB Matt Breida to Dolphins for fifth-round pick, per source.

Nice get for the Dolphins.

To be fair, did the skins lie to him about a tumor? I wouldnt be too keen on being nice to them either.

Also, if they would lie to a player about his medical conditions, I wouldnt put past the team for leaking fake rumors about him either.

Wow, I can't believe how cheap Williams ended up going for!

Seems like teams always hold out on the Browns and the rich get richer lol. Garropollo also went to the 49ers when the Pats wouldn't trade with us, at least that one was to prevent in conference competition, this one just seems like typical Cleveland luck.

We will see how Williams plays and how much he costs ... I really wanted to acquire him, I'll be hoping he isn't as good as I imagined or continues to be a drama queen! Shany pulling the trigger and knowing him makes you think he's going to be good though ... Shany and Lynch were getting all sorts of props from the media and this board day 1 of the draft.

Well it would appear that all the rumors were false and Trent Williams was not as expensive as what people assumed.

Now people can go blindly along and think the Browns made the right choice or you can question their decision. As of now, none of us know exactly what the contract is for Williams so that still might be a "no go" on the trade but on the surface it looks like we missed the boat.

Now Joe Staley LT for SFO announced his retirement so they had a huge need. They also appear to believe that Williams will fill that need and keep them as Super Bowl contenders again in 2020 and so on. It would also appear that SFO didn't believe all of the OT's in the draft would fill their need since they had a shot at one and turned it down by trading out of the pick and allowing TBB to get that player. Now SFO did draft an LT in the 5th round but he's surely a project player with Williams inked in as the 49ers starter as of now.

Now the Browns drafted their plug and play LT at #10 in Wills. Wills has a huge upside but the question still remains about the switch. Having never played LT in high school or college, can Wills make the move to such a valued position? On paper, it would appear that player for player, It could be said that Cleveland has a higher or equal level of talent at every position except LT, RG & QB when compared to SFO today. The Browns would have fixed 2 of those positions by pulling the trigger on Williams and moving Wills to RG. That would only leave QB which would also change if Mayfield returns to 2018 levels.

I wish the Browns the best in their decision making for the team. I certainly hope that the decision was right. For Wills, I think he has a difficult road ahead switching to a position he has never played. Unfortunately, I also think his play will be compared to Williams play in SFO and what could have been. Fair or not, the Browns FO put this added scrutiny on Wills. Whether you agree with that or not, Wills will receive the comparison. Good move or not, my hope is that Wills lives up to the hype. Go Browns!

Or the Browns made an offer and Washington refused. Only to get desperate later. I am sure the cost for Williams went down as the draft went along. Once we drafted Wills and the first round ended, the market dried up.

Value or not? I would like to see him here for that, but the contract terms of the package could have been deal breakers for me and perhaps it was for our FO. Just hope TW is healthy. Suddenly needed out there, but, for us, here, not that much. Hope our new folks mesh and play.

Trent is now just another guy to beat.

Go, Browns!

I think the rumors were true.

It's just the fact that no team wanted to pay what the Redskins wanted each step of the way and they had to settle for such a piss poor return because they seemingly didn't consider that this was a deep class for OT and should have lessened their asking price and made a deal before the draft---not the third day of it.

Wouldn't it occur to someone in the Redskins FO that the pond had dried up and his stock had been going down? Maybe they see this as a huge and acceptable return for a problem, that being rid of it was reward enough. But many issues on the 'Skins and TW's sides seem to be all over this race to the bottom. Song lyric comes to mind: "Too much, too little, too late."

I had figured higher price tag at the closer, less asking price, and that earlier, before draft maybe? They stood by their guns and by God showed each other. Well deserved praise all around.

Depressed price, and California taxes to boot! Poor Trent.