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I’m so excited we extended Njoku ... rolleyes ...

Dudes more overrated on here than Higgs ... thumbsup




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I hope they have open communications about an extension or renegotiation for Myles. For Njoku, does that 5th year trade?


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
I’m so excited we extended Njoku ... rolleyes ...

Dudes more overrated on here than Higgs ... thumbsup


No one got extended.

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Have we ever had the opportunity to use the fifth year option on one of our own picks?

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Joe Thomas might have been the last, and only, one.


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Maybe Haden, but maybe we locked him up first

Or Bitonio?


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Not Bitonio because you only get the 5th year options on 1st rounder... and I think maybe only the top 15 or so picks of the 1st round


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5th option is for all 1st rounders. That is why you see a lot of teams trading up into the end of the 1st for QBs


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We didn’t even want to pick up the 5th month option on some of our past 1st round picks


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Joe Thomas might have been the last, and only, one.


It wasn’t around when he was entering his fifth year.

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So, this is probably the first time we've ever done it. Wow.


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
So, this is probably the first time we've ever done it. Wow.


Damarious Randall played on his fifth year option last year but we obviously didn’t draft him.

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j/c

It is not my intention to derail this thread with the observation I'm making here. I'm also not naive to the point that this means that the contrary could or would never happen.

The public statements that the FO have made about players and their status on the team have been born out by their actions. Berry was asked at the top of his post-draft presser whether Njoku's future of the team was altered by the drafting of Harrison. He did not answer with a one-word "no", but he said in an Ivy-league sort of way, it was not affected by the Bryant selection. Berry stated that Njoku remained a part of their current and long-term plans.

He made statements about Vernon that indicated there were no plans to release him. So did Stefanski. They didn't say they would resign him but they both stated he is in their plan for the 2020 season.

I'm sure there will be times when we get a non-answer answer and there could come a time when a lie gets told, it's business after all. I don't get the sense they are inclined to be deceptive just because they can be.

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The fifth year option came out of the last CBA in 2011. That means players drafted in the first round of draft from 2011 have been eligible for the fifth year option. None of the guys we have drafted since then have gotten the fifth year option. I don’t think any of them even finished their rookie contract with the team. Danny Shelton was the closest. These are the picks:

Phil Taylor
Trent Richardson
Brandon Weeden
Barkevious Mingo
Justin Gilbert
Johnny Manziel
Danny Shelton
Cam Erving
Corey Coleman

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Off the top of my head, I think Shelton, Erving and Mingo were the only ones that even made it 5 years in the league (not just with the Browns). Right?


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Phil Taylor lasted a little while I think. Didn't he go to New England for a bit?


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Phil Taylor lasted a little while I think. Didn't he go to New England for a bit?


Not sure. He did play for the Skins.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
The fifth year option came out of the last CBA in 2011. That means players drafted in the first round of draft from 2011 have been eligible for the fifth year option. None of the guys we have drafted since then have gotten the fifth year option. I don’t think any of them even finished their rookie contract with the team. Danny Shelton was the closest. These are the picks:

Phil Taylor
Trent Richardson
Brandon Weeden
Barkevious Mingo
Justin Gilbert
Johnny Manziel
Danny Shelton
Cam Erving
Corey Coleman


Good stuff, awesome, terrific talent we assembled.


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Looking at that list ... it might be some of the worst consecutive drafting I’ve ever seen. Some years we even had multiple 1st round picks


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Looking at that list ... it might be some of the worst consecutive drafting I’ve ever seen. Some years we even had multiple 1st round picks


I'm pretty sure we could go back ten years in the forum and find similar things being said about the first ten years of the team being back, too.

We might not be the Bungles, but we've kinda redefined what it means to be bad at drafting over the years.


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Actually, didn't Phil Taylor leave the NFL for a while and then come back for a year or two?


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IIRC Taylor played for Washington for a bit


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Good news to wake up to this morning. Far and away, I am more excited about MG. Njoku, not nearly as much, but hope he has a year, which should easily pass last year. Still waiting for his light to come on. But quite a specimen, and, I think, considerable unrealized upside.

Tear it up, guys! Go, Browns!


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
I’m so excited we extended Njoku ... rolleyes ... Dudes more overrated on here than Higgs ... thumbsup


The kid is still just 23 years old. He was getting better each year and in a new offense each year - until he broke his wrist. He can go up and get the ball hopefully he will continue to go up with reckless abandon. And not have fear cause of the break. I'm sure it hurt a lot when he tried coming back.

So was this done with Ski's approval or just a Berry thing?

I got a feeling Ski looking at the tape realized the kid has talent and again still just 23 an age of many rookies.

Has anyone notice these Steeler fan journalists have not mentioned Garrett's name at all in comparing players like Young and other or in any conversation about Defense. So they are ignoring him cause their wussy Steeler influence tells them to. flamingmad


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Improving every year? ... his best “streak” as a pro was in his rookie year ... and that was about a 4 game stretch or so if i recall correctly ...

Hope he finally does turn the corner and learns to catch better making him more consistent ... thumbsup




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Improving every year? ... his best “streak” as a pro was in his rookie year ... and that was about a 4 game stretch or so if i recall correctly ...

Hope he finally does turn the corner and learns to catch better making him more consistent ... thumbsup


IIRC, that magical half-year after the removal of Hue and Haley, Chief really played well. I remember reading he had 0 drops in that stretch. I would really like to see if he can return to that.


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Improving every year? ... his best “streak” as a pro was in his rookie year ... and that was about a 4 game stretch or so if i recall correctly ...

Hope he finally does turn the corner and learns to catch better making him more consistent ... thumbsup


IIRC, that magical half-year after the removal of Hue and Haley, Chief really played well. I remember reading he had 0 drops in that stretch. I would really like to see if he can return to that.

Yes. And some very tough catches as well...



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I always hope that a Browns player can shake a negative rep that they've picked up, and from what I know Stefanski could be the one to tease that upside out of him. I think Njoku is a very potent #2 TE. He just isn't well-rounded enough to be an effective #1. No defense is going to believe us when we try to show that we're leaving him in to block. Dude is 100% route-runner/pass-catcher.... and along those lines, he tends to battle with loss of focus (leading to drops) now and then.

As he is, Njoku is a nice to have. Not a core guy.


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I do like picking up a rookie option for Njoku because it’s a prove it deal. It’s probably the best way to motivate him


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I do like picking up a rookie option for Njoku because it’s a prove it deal. It’s probably the best way to motivate him


I suppose. Technically, it's two prove-it years now. But I guess they could always cut him in 2021 if he completely flops. However, I don't think that will be the case.


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I do like picking up a rookie option for Njoku because it’s a prove it deal. It’s probably the best way to motivate him


I suppose. Technically, it's two prove-it years now. But I guess they could always cut him in 2021 if he completely flops. However, I don't think that will be the case.
Yeah, i mean with Hooper in the fold, I think Njoku will actually excel too. I think he’ll have a decent two years


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I do like picking up a rookie option for Njoku because it’s a prove it deal. It’s probably the best way to motivate him


I suppose. Technically, it's two prove-it years now. But I guess they could always cut him in 2021 if he completely flops. However, I don't think that will be the case.


The fifth year option is not guaranteed unless Njoku gets injured to the point where he can’t pass a physical. If we cut him before it vests it is not guaranteed.

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OBJ, VG, Hoop, Hunt ....

There oughta be a ton of targets for Njoku .. rolleyes ...

I hope I’m wrong ... much rather he be good and not the over hyped TE he’s proven to be so i far ...

Good Luck David ... thumbsup




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I don't think so either, but I could see defenses losing track of him a play or two per game and him going for big chunks of yards.


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I don't think so either, but I could see defenses losing track of him a play or two per game and him going for big chunks of yards.


I can see defenses losing track of lots of our guys regularly.... the only question will be can we see it in time to get the ball there?


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I don't really care if Baker gets dubbed a one read QB - hopefully they do what needs to be done to help him find the mismatch/open receiver. Whether that's flooding one side, whether that's giving Baker a post read decision to read only one side of the field ... whatever it takes. I think Stefanski will find a way to let Baker be successful or not based on Baker's ability. Can't wait to see.


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I don't care what he gets called or classified as long as it's competent and effective in running that offense.

I've never seen an offense so loaded... if it doesn't roar, it's on him.


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Jabrill Peppers had his option pick up too. 3/3

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