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I'm pretty sure Dalton had more than a few winning seasons. They made the playoffs with him a couple times I think. Cincy dumped him for a new face. He is a good QB, no great, but good. I would say he is better than some of the starters for this coming year.

He is, and played for a pretty bad team.

I agree, he isn't a HOF guy or even a regular name for the pro-bowl, but Andy is a good QB.

Put him with a decent team and that team can win games. Put him on a good team and he isn't going to lose you games on a regular basis. You could win the Superbowl with the guy.


Phil Simms and Dilfer did.

Phil Simms is a good comparison with Dalton.

He’s also acted with class throughout his career.

He did. Both are class people.

Some people you can root for, some you can't. I did and will for both of them. Well, unless it somehow impacts the Browns in a negative way.

I have rooted for the Steelers, Bengals, and Ravens. They are in my conference. I root for them unless I need them to lose to help my team. I am a SEC guy.

I root for the SEC 100% of the time in Bowl games or out of conference when in season. That just makes my Gators better is the way I see it.

I grew up a OSU fan, and still root for the Bucs, well, until they play a SEC team. Beat the best, and OSU is up there every year. Kick some butt.


SEC, SEC, SEC


Sorry, I know I am on the wrong board for this.

Dalton reminds me more and more of Jaworski. Class act, spends a significant portion of his career performing to a level where most teams would proudly hang the "franchise" label on his back... Loses a long string of playoff games (Jaws lost five wildcards in succession as well), and stewards his team back into obscurity.

I think Dalton and BB are a perfect pair because it gives them both the "hey, we tried" window of patience - with fans and the media.

Total class act. He made the most of his ability
He will make a good bridge QB or mentor to young
QB. It's funny people act like he played for
Really porous franchise.
The Bengals have made the playoffs as many times
As the Cowboys since 2010. Mel Kiper said that.
Dalton took them to playoffs 5 years in a row
In a division ruled by the Ravens and Steelers
No small accomplishment

So smart.

Oh man, this will be interesting fodder for the Monday morning football talk shows.

How much are we paying Keenum?

Case Keenum signed a 3 year, $18,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $4,000,000 signing bonus, $10,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $6,000,000. In 2020, Keenum will earn a base salary of $1,500,000 and a signing bonus of $4,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $2,833,333 and a dead cap value of $8,000,000.

And Winston got 1 mil deal... smdh

So the Bengals franchise record holder for passing yards in a season, passing touchdowns in a season, and career passing touchdowns, AND led the Bengals to five consecutive playoffs is going to back up Dak. Oooo - K.

Well it is now Joe Burrow's team. When he was drafted, it indeed singled curtains for Mr Dalton!

I think it’s a good move by Dallas. Truth be told, Dalton probably isn’t good enough to carry a team to the title ... but he’s now probably the best backup in the NFL. And it’s for below the league average I’d say.

He’s probably not that much worse than Dak

Hmmm. Might be a bit of leverage gained by the cowboys in the “I want $35 million a season” talks.

Dalton needed a change of scenery. The Bengals are kind of a feast or famine franchise and when it turns ugly the whole town turns on them with a venom I never understood. I work with a Bengals fan and his constant bitching about Dalton was incredible.

The Cowboys are just one injury away from having to put him on the field. I predict he'll look OK when that eventually happens. He's a bargain as a backup.

j/c:

I still can't believe NE didn't go after him. Heck, he even signed on the cheap. What does Belichick know about his qb room that we don't? LOL...........probably a lot, but it sure seems odd.

I don't think NE had the cap space to even sign Dalton to reduced figure

We completely overpaid Case Keenum based on what Jameis Winston and Andy Dalton got paid. I understand why we signed him versus signing someone else but we gave him way too much money. Who else was trying to sign him? What was the rushing in signing him? If we let the market play out we could have signed Keenum for cheaper or have a better backup.

If Baker got hurt who would you rather have in the game, Keenum, Dalton, or Winston? I’m taking the other two before Keenum and it’s not close.

Dalton.


But, question: Had he been cut at the time we signed Keenum?

No. But what was the rush to sign Keenum?

If it was a good signing at the time - it is a bit of revisionist history to wait till now to start complaining. You can only deal with the situation in real time - not with hindsight and the benefit of seeing how all the other chips fall.

Did we pay a back up very good money? Yes. Was a quality back up and mentor a high need? Yes? I wouldn't trust Winston in that role - and who new what Dalton's situation would be and if he'd have a chance to start somewhere or choose a back up role?

I have zero issue with the Keenum signing.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1742768/browns-sign-qb-case-keenum#Post1742768

Good thing I didn’t like it at the time either.

Purely going off memory here.

Keenum was available. At the time, and again, my memory here, the bengals were wanting to TRADE dalton. If I'm mistaken in that, well, it is what it is. If I'm not mistaken, I just have to assume the Browns looked at qb's that would serve as back ups, and they signed what they felt was best at the time, not knowing the Bengals would cut Dalton at a later date.

Most liked it at the time - even it came at a higher price than ideal. It doesn't get better or worse based on cheap contracts this late in the off season. jmo

If you buy something for $100 and then something similar but better is available for $10, you got a bad deal.

It's nice how some people have crystal balls to know that teams will release other QB's in the future when QB needy teams have already signed those on the open market. Which causes the price to go down.

Looks like you would do well in the futures market. I mean everyone who bought oil at 35 dollars a gallon were idiots because the cost went to zero only a few weeks later. You could have made a FORTUNE!

I think if the team gambled on who might / might not be available and hadn't signed a QB and delayed and delayed ... we might have gone into the season with nothing behind Baker and folks would have rightly been concerned. I'd take Dalton as a backup all day - but I really thought he'd end up going some place as a starter. Jags or NE. Winston ... as stated, I would not want to rely on or be a "mentor" for Baker.

After Ryan Finley's disastrous performances after being named the starter last year, I thought the Bengals would keep Dalton as insurance behind Burrows. Now who is the 2nd QB at Cincinnati? If Burrows goes down, the Bengals will probably be drafting 1st again next year.

If Burrows goes down that would give them the perfect excuse to lose. I doubt they plan to make the playoffs with e rookie QB anyway. So between having a mediocre season with a back up QB, having a high draft pick next year may be seen as the best of those two options.

Everyone knew the QB market was going to be flooded.



This has literally nothing to do with anything I was talking about.

The front office made a mistake in signing Case Keenum for what they did as early as they did. Everyone team makes mistakes on the free agents, let's hope we don't continue to overpay for lesser players in the future.

I have no problem with signing Case Keenum. I have a problem with paying him as much as we did.

They don't. According to overthecap.com the Patriots have $1,732,375 in cap space as of right now (https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-england-patriots/). I would guess they trade Joe Thuney before the season starts to gain some more cap space. I don't think they anticipated him signing his franchise tender.

I also think that Belichick wants to see what he has with Jarrett Stidham. If he stinks the Patriots can potentially draft their QB in 2021 and if he's even average they can a huge value at the position.

The last time the Bengals started a rookie QB they made the playoffs
History might repeat itself. Stranger things have happened. They say Burrow is that kind of QB
who can change a culture. I don't think he would be so happy to lose every year
One thing it seemed about Dalton....losing never really bothered him

The only QB I've seen come out in the last decade who met that criteria is Mahomes. Sure, there have been some pretty good QB's but not to the extent you described.

Losing sure didn't seem to bother him last year. And that kind of bothers me. Neither did terrible QB play. I'm not so sure we didn't end up with the better of the two QB's at this stage of their careers.

He definitely did that at Ohio State. LOL

Hmmmm, I was thinking Keenum.

Keenum has much more value to the Browns because of his familiarity with the offense that will be put in place by KS.

..when you're shopping, the thing you are buying doesn't have to pick you back.

Dalton is a Texas guy. Jameis allegedly had offers for more money elsewhere.

If you're going to be a backup, there are other factors than getting top dollar at play.

Baker's young and was pick 1-1. He's not about to retire like Brees. Dak still isn't signed long term.

In an ideal world would it have been nice to get Keenum for less? Of course. There was more competition for his services before the draft. Post draft, most of the slots were filled.

Just pretend we used our 1st round pick on a backup QB... without actually using our first round pick on a backup QB.

It'll be nice to have a competent backup if we need one for once. The Stefanski connection is also likely going to be useful in these strange times.

This is, objectively, the wrong answer.