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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SCREW THIS

That's what I expected, Sean Jones wasn't going to get in over Troy and KWjr wasn't going to get votes outside of cleveland. The rest of the league thinks he is a punk that can't keep his mouth shut. He might of got more votes if everytime he play another Pro-Bowl TE he didn't jabbed his mouth to say he was better than them.

What did you expect?

I'm not saying the guys who got in don't deserve it.... but look at the positions where our best players play and then look at the "big names" that made it... K2 isn't going to get in just because his numbers are a bit better than Gates and Gonzolez... he's going to have to put up MUCH bigger numbers (which is almost impossible) and the team is going to have to win...

Look at safety.. what do you think it's going to take to unseat Polamalu or Ed Reed or John Lynch?

i was jus about to post this...

Yep no browns again.....r u really surprised tho? heh i did kind of think K2 n Sean Jones had a outside shot...but guess not...i bet K2 hurt his chances with the "best TE" comments earlier this year...o well tho he is pretty damn good in my book...just hope he gets better and becomes a complete player...

[color:"white"]*shrug* No player on this team is deserving.

The only that would be close is Winslow, and he blocks like a 12-year old girl, making him non-pro bowl worthy. [/color]

No surprise, I thought maybe Winslow might sneak in, but I wasn't expecting it.

Ryan Pontbriand gets screwed again <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes_devil.gif" alt="" />

Now there's a player I hadn't thought of...the guy has been flawless since being here..

i figured cribbs would get in but o well

Easily Butch's best draft pick. What other player can say they haven't made a mistake their entire career and actually be telling the truth? <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

I think it will take at least an 8-8 season from the team before any individual gets in.

Not a big problem for me, since one player shining on a lousy football team is like finding a piece of corn in a dawgpile. Not much of a "bright spot," is it?

Pro Bowl is the absolute least of our issues.

I think the fans should have made it for induring this team all season long! <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I have been pimping him since the day he was drafted. I even told everybody to buy Pontbriand jerseys because he would be on the team longer than anybody else drafted that year <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

If Sean Jones was a Free Safety he would have made it.... Maybe Lynch does have a name and history. But like others have said I'm not supprised, I stopped voting after the first Steelers game.

the fans vote for the pro bowl?

lame...

"" no one again ""

Oh please, you can't actually think that any member of the Browns is deserving to be on the Pro Bowl team.

here is the NFC...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2702583

NFC offense
Position Player Team
WR Anquan Boldin Cardinals
WR Donald Driver Packers
WR Steve Smith Panthers
WR Torry Holt Rams
OT Jammal Brown Saints
OT Walter Jones Seahawks
OT Chris Samuels Redskins
OG Shawn Andrews Eagles
OG Steve Hutchinson Vikings
OG Larry Allen 49ers
C Matt Birk Vikings
C Olin Kreutz Bears
TE Alge Crumpler Falcons
TE Jeremy Shockey Giants
QB Drew Brees Saints
QB Marc Bulger Rams
QB Tony Romo Cowboys
RB Tiki Barber Giants
RB Frank Gore 49ers
RB Steven Jackson Rams
FB Mack Strong Seahawks
NFC defense
Position Player Team
DE Aaron Kampman Packers
DE Julius Peppers Panthers
DE Will Smith Saints
DT Tommie Harris Bears
DT Kris Jenkins Panthers
DT Kevin Williams Vikings
OLB Lance Briggs Bears
OLB Julian Peterson Seahawks
OLB DeMarcus Ware Cowboys
MLB Lofa Tatupu Seahawks
MLB Brian Urlacher Bears
CB Ronde Barber Buccaneers
CB DeAngelo Hall Falcons
CB Lito Sheppard Eagles
SS Roy Williams Cowboys
SS Adrian Wilson Cardinals
FS Brian Dawkins Eagles
NFC special teams
Position Player Team
P Mat McBriar Cowboys
K Robbie Gould Bears
KR Devin Hester Bears
Special teams Brendon Ayanbadejo Bears


Shawn Andrews... man I really wanted that kid <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Sean Jones earned it this year.. Polamalu didnt even play the entire season.. and his stats are not all that..

I'd like to know how ROMO got in and didn't even play a full season...

4 teams make up 17 of the 21 offensive afc players.... (chiefs/bolts/colts/bengles)

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9880714
Pro Bowl voting gone wild: Brady leads top snubs
Dec. 19, 2006
By Pete Prisco
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Tell Pete your opinion!



Let's quit calling them the Pro Bowl teams, and instead call them what they are: The Popularity Teams.


Should John Lynch go the Hawaii ahead of Kerry Rhodes? Ah, no. (AP)
After scanning the AFC and NFC Pro Bowl rosters, it's quite evident, once again, that something has to be done to fix the way these teams are selected. Too many deserving players are being left off.

If a player has been selected to the game in the past, there will be a lot of sentiment for him to go back. Reputation means more than production.

The tale of two Johns best exemplifies what I mean. The first John is Jacksonville Jaguars defensive tackle John Henderson, the second is Denver Broncos safety John Lynch.

Henderson is the best defensive tackle in the league, period. He is a force against the run and improved as a pass rusher. Yet he isn't on the AFC team, despite being second in the fan voting. That means the players and the coaches flat out blew it.

Anybody who watches tape should know what Henderson means to the second-ranked run defense in the NFL.

Then there's Lynch. He has no business being on the AFC team, especially ahead of Kerry Rhodes of the New York Jets. Ask scouts or personnel directors who they would take and most would take Rhodes.

Rhodes has 71 tackles, four sacks and four interceptions; Lynch has 48 tackles, no sacks and no interceptions. Yet Rhodes isn't even on the team. Why? Lynch is popular -- this will be his eighth Pro Bowl -- and Rhodes isn't as he waits for his first.

So once again we've been reminded that the Pro Bowl teams are a big, giant joke. The Pro Bowl rosters really aren't the best players in the NFL, and that's a shame.

Here are 10 more Pro Bowl caliber players who instead got stiffed by the Popularity Teams:

Tom Brady, QB, Patriots: This one makes no sense, especially since he's one of the popular guys. Philip Rivers has had a nice season, but Brady should go ahead of him. He has more yards and more touchdown passes. His passer rating is lower, but Brady doesn't have L.T. behind him or Antonio Gates in front of him.

Al Harris, CB, Packers: He has played a lot of man coverage, matched against the other team's best receivers. He and Charles Woodson form a heck of a corner duo. He should be going ahead of Ronde Barber and DeAngelo Hall.

Sean Taylor, FS, Redskins: Cowboys safety Roy Williams has no business on this team, even though he's a strong safety and Taylor a free safety. Williams can't cover at all. Taylor is not only a big hitter, but he has range. There should be one strong safety (Adrian Wilson) and two free safeties (Taylor and Brian Dawkins).


Terence Newman, CB, Cowboys: This is the one Cowboys secondary player who should be in the game. I told Newman last Saturday after the Cowboys-Falcons game that he was on my Pro Bowl team. "You got it right then," Newman said. Too bad the fans, the coaches and the players didn't.

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Fred Robbins, DT, Giants: He has been a force in the middle of the Giants line. There's no way Carolina's Kris Jenkins should be in before Robbins. Even Pat Williams of the Vikings should be in before Jenkins.

Chris Snee, G, Giants: This guy is a mauler who should be in Hawaii. His spot is taken by San Francisco's Larry Allen. Wonder if reputation had anything to do with that one?

Marcus McNeil, T, Chargers: He has been as good as any left tackle in the league. Just because he's a rookie doesn't mean he shouldn't be in the Pro Bowl.

Keith Bulluck, LB, Titans: He's fourth in the league in tackles, has seven passes defensed and two sacks. His spot went to Terrell Suggs of the Ravens. Bulluck is having the better season.

Ray Lewis, LB, Ravens: Yes, he got robbed. Lewis is still one of the best linebackers and the Ravens have the best defense in the league. There's no way Zach Thomas should be in ahead of Lewis.

Chris Naeole, G, Jaguars: Brian Waters of the Chiefs deserves to be in the game, but Will Shields and Alan Faneca are going on reputation. Naeole had a better year than both of them and the Jaguars are the top rushing team in the AFC. That has to mean something.



I agree there needs to be a different way we go about voting like... who has the the best averages per position should be on the Pro Bowl... no who is a NFL favorite... ROMO... oooo that makes me so mad!

NFC just sucks that bad....McNabb is out..he def would have made the pro bowl..

Earlier in the year, I thought Winslow and Bodden might stand a chance. Winslow can't block and Bodden hasn't stayed healthy. K2 also didn't endear himself to many players, fans or coaches by running his mouth out of school.... Any new TE is in the AFC is going to be hurt by being in the same conference with Gates, Gonzales and Heap. Winslow also didn't do well against Gates and Gonzales head to head. A good performance head to head would have given Winslow some national exposure and may have gotten him on the team.

Recently, about the only ones I thought might sneak in were Cribbs on special teams and Zastudil as punter. Problem is, neither one of them have gotten much national exposure this year.....

Settle down Georgia homer....Sean Jones didn't earn it either. Until he catches the int's he drops and the browns secondary stops getting picked on...he doesn't deserve it either. It's a what have you done for me lately process anyways...Sean was good earlier in the year but hasn't been as much of an impact due to a number or things...not just necessarily him.

If anyone safety got snubbed it was the fellow who stepped in for Williams in Cinci...Kasvaharn (sp?) ...anyways he doesn't drop int's and is all over the field. Even the two safeties on Buffalo have played well and they are both rookies i believe

I have seen enough of Marcus McNiell to officially declare him a stud LT.

The majority of LT's big gaines are coming from the left side. They put Malumaluma (sp) out there as a TE and they just plow through other teams.

He is on the radio out here every other week or so, he says the disinformation about him before the draft regarding the back stenosis was unbelievable. He also said that some people had him listed with a "basket weaving" major when he graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering. That really irked him.

I wanted the Browns to pick him... sheesh.

snubs happen, thats to be expected as few watch enough of the other 31 teams out there to know where the real talent is. but what really irks me is that merriman is in there. its a complete joke that somebody that played half the season jacked up on roids and missed four games because he was caught red handed doing it gets honored in hawaii. what kind of message does that send?

Here is an article I figured most would like:

The Pro Bowl teams were announced Tuesday afternoon, and in the interest of full disclosure, you should know that I think the selection process is mostly a crock. Far too often, it's the reputation that wins the votes rather than the results of Weeks 1-15 of the regular season.

Nothing new there, I know, but the popularity contest syndrome inherent in the Pro Bowl voting doesn't just extend to the fans who comprise one-third of the selection process. It also includes the league's players, the majority of whom sadly fall under the heading of uninformed voters. Over the years, I've heard story after story from team public relations officials who say players routinely fill out their Pro Bowl ballots based solely on name recognition and reputation, or ask a particular teammate whom they should vote for.

"Even though you're not allowed to vote for your own teammates, plenty of guys do every year and have their votes discounted,'' one club PR official told me recently. "They don't even know the rules. It's a bit of a joke.''

Well, this year was just as big a joke as ever. Here are eight players who should be making the trip to Hawaii in February, but won't.


8. Sean Jones, Cleveland, safety -- Good players stuck on bad teams routinely get the short end of the stick in terms of Pro Bowl voting. That's where Jones finds himself, in an AFC where big-name safeties such as Ed Reed, John Lynch and Troy Polamalu have well-established Pro Bowl r?sum?s. But Jones' play has made a decent case for itself, with five interceptions, 11 passes defended and 91 tackles. The Browns are getting solid production from Jones, and head coach Romeo Crennel considers the second-round '04 pick one of his building blocks for the future.

Linky: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/12/19/pro.bowl/index.html

darn right he's a building block <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

This happens every year, it's not who's best it's who's popular,

Sad thing is fans get 33 %, of the vote, coachs 33& players 33%, last 1% who knows..so it's not just the fans <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

We dont play for the pro bowl <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

I just assume not have guys in the Pro Bowl and risk injury.

It's a popularity contest and a game that is really only watched by the die hard football fans out of desperation to see one last NFL game before the 6 month drought.

j/c

Does anyone have a link to the fan's voting results. I have been to nfl.com but they only have the rosters and the top vote getters in certain categories. One for example has Brady listed in the top 10 Offensive Players and 2nd AFC QB in fan voting, but he was not selected.

I would be interested in seeing just exactly where players ended up with the fan vote, players vote, and coaches.

j/c

i wonder if leaving it to the media to vote on this would turn out better. you gotta figure they at least have a broader picture than the local team

but then you'd think that announcers and/or writers would actually know the names of guys on your team.... which happens to not be case sooo often that it's silly.

If you want to leave it to anyone, leave it to just the players & coaches. THEY are the ones that really know, leave it up to them.

Listened to a Tampa Bay radio football show today and they were talking with an x player[name escapes me-Altheimers] who described how the players/team chooses players.

He said they gather in a large room with a fistfull of stats and the coach in charge gives the position and the players just name who they are familiar with... like Ronde Barber. Nice player but not the best at his position.

When cornerbacks are choosing the best O-linemen and vice versa you have to expect some uninformed results.

Any way it is done, it doesn't really matter to me.

I would just as soon not have any of my teams good players playing in that meaningless game.

You stand nothing to gain and much to lose.

All of this is fine with me.

No one on this team has earned any Pro Bowl clause bonus in my eyes anyway. This team has a long way to go. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

From Loki's Article Post:
Nothing new there, I know, but the popularity contest syndrome inherent in the Pro Bowl voting doesn't just extend to the fans who comprise one-third of the selection process. It also includes the league's players, the majority of whom sadly fall under the heading of uninformed voters. Over the years, I've heard story after story from team public relations officials who say players routinely fill out their Pro Bowl ballots based solely on name recognition and reputation, or ask a particular teammate whom they should vote for.

"Even though you're not allowed to vote for your own teammates, plenty of guys do every year and have their votes discounted,'' one club PR official told me recently. "They don't even know the rules. It's a bit of a joke.''

<img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

-New post-
Adam Schein / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 11 minutes ago



Let me get this out of the way right now. I don't watch the Pro Bowl. I wouldn't watch the Pro Bowl if you paid me.

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But it is an honor to be selected. And every year, (watch it happen again around Super Bowl time), media types and fans will reference Pro Bowl appearances when breaking down whether or not a player deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Thus, the process should have some teeth. And imagine this concept ? the best players should get to go to Hawaii. As Tiki Barber might say, this isn't rocket science.

I would scrap the entire process. Fans shouldn't vote, as they often see things through team colored glasses. Players shouldn't vote. They often vote for guys they were teammates with in college, or share the division with or share an agent with. Or they just vote for players who went to the Pro Bowl last year (and this is from talking to players).

I'd like to see media types, analysts and writers, comprise a committee and vote. I don't care about the game, but the process should have some merit.

Now for the part you are really looking for: who got robbed in 2006. Plus, guys who made the team and didn't deserve it.

1. London Fletcher: What does he have to do to get recognized? He is third in the NFL in tackles, his eighth straight year of 100 or more tackles. Fletcher has dominated games for the Bills this season and is seemingly in the middle of every big play, just look at the enormous victory against the Jets. When pressed on the issue last week, Fletcher theorized that he gets overlooked because he went to school at John Carroll and the Bills play in a small market. It is a horrendous mistake that Fletcher isn't in the Pro Bowl.


2. Kerry Rhodes: The Jets safety has been the king of the game-changing play for Eric Mangini's hard-charging defense. Rhodes has four picks, four sacks and has forced three fumbles. John Lynch is a great player and a great guy, but Rhodes deserves the nod.

3. Asante Samuel: The Patriots cornerback has eight picks this season, good for second in the NFL. I thought he was more worthy than Chris McAlister.

4. Pat Williams: I have no idea how anyone could deem Kris Jenkins as an all-star this year. With the way Minnesota has stopped the run, Williams deserved to be headed to Hawaii with teammate Kevin Williams. "Big Pat" is the main reason you cannot move the ball north-south on the Vikings.

5. Bart Scott: I was thrilled to see Adalius Thomas get the honor. But his partner in crime has also had a great year and both deserved to go. And how exactly does Terrell Suggs make it as a linebacker when he is a defensive end? Scott has 93 tackles and 9.5 sacks. Thomas has 75 tackles and 10.5 sacks. I cannot believe Scott isn't a Pro Bowler.

6. John Henderson: The big guy up front has anchored the Jaguars defense all season. Richard Seymour in the Pro Bowl is a joke. I love Seymour, but his playing time has been severely reduced while he's been bit with the injury bug and been relatively ineffective. Plus, Seymour is an end, not a tackle.

7. Antonio Pierce: I had him on my ballot as opposed to Lofa Tatupu. Pierce has 117 tackles; Tatupu has 104.

8. Keith Bulluck: The unquestioned team leader for the 7-7 Titans is fourth in the NFL in tackles. And Bulluck has had his stamp on enormous wins this year -- the touchdown in Philadelphia, the goal-line tackle with minutes to go against the Colts, the pick of Peyton Manning and the clutch sack against the Jags last week.

9. Kellen Winslow: It's truly splitting hairs, but I said on my FOXSports.com video report last week that I thought the Browns tight end deserved it. Winslow has more catches than Tony Gonzalez and would've been my choice.

10. Roy Williams: When a receiver has five 100-yard receiving games, that's domination. Williams also has 1,127 receiving yards and four touchdowns. Williams was one of five NFC receivers clearly having better seasons than Terrell Owens.


Good stuff
With all that said, I was thrilled to see some selections develop. Adrian Wilson and Aaron Schobel are unsung stars and it was great to see their names on the list. I was glad San Diego center Nick Hardwick made it. Reggie Wayne is a first-timer and he deserved the honor. This won't be the last time Eagles guard Shaun Andrews goes to Hawaii. Packers Donald Driver and Aaron Kampman faced competition at their positions but were on my list and more than worthy. And I was glad the Saints defense got some love with Will Smith. It was also good to see Michael Vick not get in on name alone.

Adam Schein hosts the Afternoon Blitz on Sirius NFL Radio with Solomon Wilcots and Jim Miller from 3-7 ET. He also hosts the Sirius NFL Tailgate Show every NFL Sunday from 9-noon ET. Schein is the NFL insider for Sports Net New York. Email him at aschein@siriusradio.com

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At least with Samual not making the Pro Powl, he might be a cheaper FA pickup.

bulluck and fletcher may have been the biggest snubs