DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus ‘trump the virus” Covid 19-Continued

Well Trump has been looking for a reason to fire him, here it is...

IMHO this research is dangerous but I see why they do it, trying to be ahead of disaster. But if this is from that lab, then the virus started with US money backing it... Should we now call it the US coronavirus?

I had no idea Fauci had the power to approve spending.

Under Trump? On Trump's watch? He's probably one of only a handful of scientists left with any input and a rubber stamp authority for financial management of research projects. #NoOversight

TODAY Trump is taking charge of the new vaccine process called 'warp speed' indicating that measure will be taken to speed the process... in other words, risk anything to get himself re-elected even more lives.

It's easy to predict that when you're backing the engineering of it.

Now there is a Republican that should be impeached!

Well maybe after the second wave there will still be enough of you Trumpians to get that done Maybe...

So now trump is blaming Obama for broke the test for a virus that didn’t exist yet.

Yea, that’s real leadership from trump right there.

And all these GOPer’s are now blaming China (human’s) for engineering a highly effective, contagious, virus that only could be engineered In the wild by Mother Nature. No proof. Make thinks up. No leadership, take no responsibility, blame others and point fingers, while watching people die by the thousands each day in the meantime. Leadership by lying and making things up .... Pfffft trump. Ya’ll keep supporting this pos I dare you.

Yeah saving lives isn’t a good look on GOPers is it?

BTW trump will be held solely responsible for the future rise of corona virus cases and deaths. Enjoy.

Dude, you're getting as wacky as spiral. I can't believe you are taking China over the country you claim to love.

j/c

East Bay politician under fire for saying let coronavirus kill the elderly, weak and homeless

Ken Turnage's social media post promoting survival of the fittest riles many

The chairman of Antioch’s planning commission is catching a lot of scorn for suggesting in a Facebook post that society should adopt a herd mentality by letting the coronavirus take nature’s course and kill the weak, elderly, homeless and others.

In a long post April 23 on Facebook, commission Chairman Ken Turnage II compared the spread of COVID-19 to a forest fire that burns off all the “old trees, fallen brush and scrub-shrub sucklings” that drain resources. The nation and planet “would strengthen when this is all settled,” he surmised.

“We would have significant loss of life, we would lose many elderly, that would reduce burdens in our defunct Social Security System, health care cost (once the wave subsided), make jobs available for others and it would also free up housing in which we are in dire need of,” Turnage wrote. “We would lose a large portion of the people with immune and other health complications. I know it would be loved ones as well. But that would once again reduce our impact on medical, jobs, and housing.”

The comments offended many people, including City Councilwoman Monica Wilson, who along with several residents called for Turnage’s resignation during Tuesday’s City Council meeting. They also drew some support.

“Except we are not trees, and dead human beings do not fertilize the living,” one person commented on Turnage’s Facebook post. “This is very callous and sad. Even still, I hope you and yours survive this, just as I hope we all do.”

“This was a favored position of the Nazis,” another wrote. “Getting rid of the ‘useless eaters’ they called it. Before the Nazis went after the Jews and Gypsies and the Polish they decided it would be a good idea to get rid of the useless eaters: the old, demented, disabled, mentally ill, physically ill and institutionalized.”

Others stuck up for Turnage: “See Ken when you go against the progressive talking points they cone after you,” one wrote. “Next they will try to shut your business down if you do not tow the line of the progressives. They make lying hit pieces on you. This is your communist progressives and they need to be stopped.”

Councilwoman Wilson said Turnage’s comments “undermine the great work our city is doing to protect our citizens,” noting that lifting shelter-in-place orders just for the benefit of the economy is “contrary to our shared values.”

“My ancestors already died for the sake of our economy through a marked period in our time called slavery,” said Wilson, who is black. “He is entitled to his opinion as I am to mine. However, as a member of the Planning Commission, his words are merely not consistent with what we are doing and how we are caring for our citizens.”

Wilson added that Turnage’s words do not reflect the values of the City Council or city administration, which will continue working with Contra Costa County public health officials to do what’s best to keep residents safe.

“Personally, I find his words disgusting, inappropriate, and extremely reckless. We do not have any place in public discourse for that,” Wilson said. She also chastised her council colleagues for not having responded earlier to his post.

“We value everyone’s life with dignity and respect no matter who they are in Antioch,” she said. “It took me a few days to really sit back and figure out what I want to say because I am so disgusted by this. Either he resigns or we as a council need to deal with that and take him off that commission.”

Reached after the meeting, Turnage, 47, said he has no intention of stepping down. The Antioch native is a general contractor who owns K2GC Inc. and ran unsuccessfully for City Council in 2016, finishing fourth. He was Antioch’s 2015 “Citizen of the Year with Most Impact.”

He said his post was “not malicious, or racist” and had “nothing to do with money or business.” Rather, he was simply stating what he believed was happening to the Earth through the global pandemic.

Councilman Lamar Thorpe meanwhile said he shared Wilson’s concerns and called Turnage’s comments “inexcusable.”

Mayor Sean Wright, who appointed Turnage in 2017, called the commissioner’s comments “abhorrent,” though he noted everyone has a right to speak his mind.

“We do and need to hold ourselves to high standards as councilmen and commissioners who represent the city, so there is a discussion to be had as far as that goes,” he added.

Mayor Pro Tem Joy Motts agreed that city leaders need to “act with professionalism.”

“It’s absurd to think that one person’s life is more valuable than another’s,” she said. “I am sure this staff and this City Council is doing everything it can do to save as many lives as it possibly can.”

Turnage later said his comments were misunderstood.

“I believe in ecological balance,” he said. “Our species is out of symbiosis with the rest of the planet. We have a disease … a virus, that if it ran its course, it would bring us back into a closer balance. I didn’t say people should go out and get infected.

“It’s our world’s way of balancing itself. It’s like a volcano going off,” he added. “It brings the temperature of the Earth down.”

Turnage also said that while he does value life, he does not do so over the greater good of the planet, country and species. He noted that if unchecked, the virus would run rampant through the homeless community.

“I’m not saying let’s kill the homeless, but because of what this virus is attacking, these are the sectors that it would affect the most. … I’m sorry but that would be one of the side effects,” he said. “Yes, that’s a harsh way of looking at it — I know people aren’t going to like this — but this is just reality.”

Although he disagrees with the need for sheltering in place, Turnage said he is honoring the order and does not encourage people to disobey the rules.

“People need to protect themselves,” he said. “… (But) it is my belief that when something is out of balance, there will be something that brings the balance back (possibly a virus) or the scales may tip and then there is no return.”

Reached Wednesday, Wilson said she stands by her call for Turnage to resign or for the council to consider ousting him.

“I am looking out for the best interests of everyone in my community,” she said. “Who is he to decide who lives or dies? “All of us are vulnerable at this time. We all need to look out for each other.

“You have a right to post, but sometimes there are consequences to what you post.”

https://www.timesheraldonline.com/2020/0...virus-comments/

Government orders 100,000 new body bags as Trump minimizes death toll

Federal coronavirus response documents obtained by NBC News suggest that the president's optimism about "Opening Up America" is at odds with dire warnings from inside his administration.

WASHINGTON — The federal government placed orders for well over 100,000 new body bags to hold victims of COVID-19 in April, according to internal administration documents obtained by NBC News, as well as public records. The biggest set was earmarked for purchase the day after President Donald Trump projected that the U.S. death toll from the coronavirus might not exceed 50,000 or 60,000 people.

That batch is a pending $5.1 million purchase order placed by the Department of Homeland Security on April 21 with E.M. Oil Transport Inc. of Montebello, California, which advertises construction vehicles, building materials and electronics on its website. The "human remains pouches" have not been paid for or shipped to the Federal Emergency Management Agency yet, according to the company's marketing manager, Mike Pryor.

"I hope to God that they don't need my order and that they cancel it," Pryor said in a text message exchange with NBC News.

Body bag contracts bid by Homeland Security and the Veterans Affairs Department are just one illustration of how Trump's sunny confidence about the nation's readiness to reopen is in conflict with the views of officials in his own administration who are quietly preparing for a far worse outcome.

Around the same time it wrote the contract for the body bags, FEMA opened up bidding to provide about 200 rented refrigerated trailers for locations around the country. The request for proposals specifies a preference for 53-foot trailers, which, at 3,600 cubic feet, are the largest in their class.

The cache of internal documents obtained by NBC News includes an April 25 "pre-decisional draft" of the coronavirus task force's "incident outlook" for the response, a summary of the task force leaders' meeting the same day and various communications among officials at several agencies. The documents show that task force members remain worried about several major risks ahead, including insufficient availability of coronavirus tests, the absence of a vaccine or proven treatments for the coronavirus, and the possibility of a "catastrophic resurgence" of COVID-19.

When asked in the past about the contrast between his assessments and those of senior officials on his task force, Trump has described his role as "cheerleader" for the country. "I want to give people in this country hope," he said in March.

The president has also said testing "is not going to be a problem at all." But officials from FEMA and the Department of Health and Human Services clearly disagree. They flagged concerns with the testing plan in the draft of the incident outlook report, which was circulated to task force members along with a summary of the meeting.

The list of testing problems includes: "Limited number of diagnostic supplies. Limited capacity of test facilities. Limited trained response personnel to administer the tests. Unknown epidemiological information regarding COVID-19. Access to testing sites by underserved areas and at risk populations. Effective vaccines and therapeutics will not be available in sufficient quantities to meet the need. PPE is required by [medical countermeasures] developers and manufacturers."

Task force officials raised those possibilities as they developed the "incident outlook" two days before Trump unveiled his "Reopening America Again" plan Monday. That strategy is designed to hand off more responsibility for the response to governors and local officials.

The documents show that the White House and its coronavirus task force are making a quick transition toward an advisory role in public health decisions made by states while maintaining the power to acquire goods and allocate them. Simultaneously, the administration is preparing for many more casualties.

The body bag order, confirmed by internal administration communications obtained by NBC News, is in addition to shipments of several thousand more body bags from vendors for the General Services Administration and the Defense Logistics Agency.

The VA, meanwhile, paid the supply distributor ISO Group $293,780 for an unknown number of body bags to be fully delivered Thursday. The contract states that the purchase is "in response to COVID-19." ISO notes on its website that the federal government has awarded eight contracts for that specific body bag in the past 90 days for a total of $12.1 million.

The VA and ISO did not respond to NBC News' inquiries about the contracts. A senior White House official declined to comment on the body bags.

Sam Imbriale, a senior aide at Health and Human Services, told members of the federal response team over the weekend that all resource request forms used by state, local and private-sector officials to seek federal supplies and other assistance must now be routed to the White House, according to a person who heard his remark to dozens of people on a phone conference.

NBC News' request to HHS for an interview with Imbriale was routed to FEMA's media relations team, which did not respond, and the senior White House official did not reply to a question about the remark.

The senior White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Trump is taking into account the dangers associated with loosening stay-at-home restrictions and is following the advice of the coronavirus response coordinator, Dr. Deborah Birx, and other doctors on his task force in moving forward.

"At each of the three phases, they make recommendations for what needs to be done to safely begin reopening, while keeping in place mitigation efforts like social distancing," the official said in an email. "Dr. Birx, for example, has been in consultation with states, on behalf of the White House, to advise if they are ready to move toward reopening based on a number of factors, one of which is testing capacity."

Trump and his top advisers have long said more widespread testing is the predicate for resuming commercial activities paused by efforts to prevent the spread of the disease.

"We want to reopen, and the testing is not going to be a problem at all," he declared Monday, adding later that "the fact that people aren't allowed to have their freedom causes a tremendous amount of problems, including death."

The White House official said the federal government is "ramping up" testing capacity rather than "slowing down" and noted a new deal with the Maine-based company Puritan to produce an additional 40 million testing swabs. The administration says 5 million tests have been administered so far — a number equal to about 1.5 percent of the national population — and that the goal for states to be ready to reopen is the ability to test 2 percent of their populations per month.

The push to kick-start an economy that is hemorrhaging workers as it shrinks has drawn little public criticism from within the administration, even as many health experts say loosening stay-at-home rules could greatly increase the number of casualties from a pandemic that has already claimed more than 62,000 lives. But similar concerns were flagged in the preliminary version of the document supporting his strategy that was developed by sub-units of the coronavirus task force made up of employees of FEMA, the Defense Department, HHS and other federal agencies.

The interagency teams concluded that governors, mayors, community leaders and individual Americans may resist Trump's pressure precisely because they believe it will lead to more death.

"Late indicators and human decision making may delay mitigation to prevent catastrophic resurgence," the "incident outlook" report developed by FEMA and HHS says in a subsection titled "risks/limiting factors" for the objective of "minimizing transmission & risks to public health."

The other listed reasons demonstrate federal officials' fears that reversing stay-at-home rules and social distancing guidelines could have fatal consequences.

"States may not be following the recommended 'gating' process to make community mitigation adjustments," the document says. "Individual mitigation measures (e.g. hand washing) are often easy to support, but stricter community mitigation measures (e.g. social distancing) can be disruptive making them difficult to sustain. Individuals travelling from high impact areas to low impact areas may have contracted COVID-19 but are asymptomatic. Mitigation fatigue. Community mitigation measures may not have the desired impact. Insufficient [state and local] staff to implement moderate mitigation measures."

The president is aware of the worries and shares concerns about the potential for a resurgence, the White House official said.

"Our guidelines are based on strong public health science and have been vetted through the interagency," the official said. "But we also understand the novel nature of this virus and that nothing is foolproof. We are encouraging extensive mitigation efforts in the public space to ensure health and safety."

Some of Trump's advisers have put more emphasis on health risks and less on immediate economic peril. Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Tuesday that there could be "a bad fall" if states and cities reopen too early.

"If by that time we have put into place all of the countermeasures that you need to address this, we should do reasonably well," Fauci said in remarks to the Economic Club of Washington, D.C. "If we don't do that successfully, we could be in for a bad fall and a bad winter."

The April 25 meeting was attended by, among others, FEMA Director Pete Gaynor; Brett Giroir, the assistant secretary of health and human services for health; Rear Adm. John Polowczyk, vice director for logistics of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is the supply-chain lead for the coronavirus task force; and staff from the White House's National Security Council. The NSC staff members dialed in by videoconference, according to the summary of the session.

The preliminary incident outlook draft also laid out challenges to stabilizing the medical supply chain and health care systems — including the risk of disasters on top of the COVID-19 crisis — as Trump tries to reduce the federal role in the response and put more responsibility on state and local governments.

"Food/water or other large commodity mission resulting from an additional disaster declaration would reduce response capabilities for COVID-19," the document says.

The resiliency of the U.S. health care system faces hurdles, too, according to the incident outlook draft.

"Additional disasters may further stress the healthcare system," the document says. "Lack of [personal protective equipment] will decrease effectiveness of proposed strategies. Essential pharmaceutical supply shortages. Infection rate and absenteeism of workforce. Non-pharmaceutical interventions may not have the desired impact."

The primary complication for communications during the period of transition to more localized control of the response, according to the incident outlook report, is "lack of trust in government messaging."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-h...dr-wMuN44SvoetA

Maybe they just found a great buy in bulk deal on Amazon? That can't be it. They would never buy anything from Bezos.

Bad move Mr.Turnage.
One should always toe the company line,and never let your true feelings be known.

I'm glad he let his feelings out. I mean if someone is a disgusting human being I'd like to know up front.

I see it as more pragmatic than disgusting.
I believe what he said is going to happen,and there is nothing that can be done about it.
Having said that,I don't wish for people to die,or suffer,or be harmed in any way.
Unfortunately,I am one of the elderly.If I get it,I'm probably dead.So be it.

The way he stated it made it hard for me to see that as his intent.

I assumed there was a large quantity of alcohol involved with the soon to be ex-politician's statement.

I have no idea. That's certainly a possibility. He spells pretty well for being drunk.

Life is a Death Sentence but then again, only the body dies.

On another note the press secretary has promised never to lie!
I will go out on a limb here and assume that is her first lie.

Kayleigh McEnany promised that she'd "never lie" to the reporters in the room.
"I will never lie to you. You have my word on that," she said.

And then she turned around and lied to us all. Said the trump admin has saved lives. Americans have saved lives, trump has cost US lives....Pffft ... another lying GOP pos.

Why even ask that stupid ass question.
That is what got her the job.

Who asked a question?

jc

Colorado governor cut 183 million from medicaid. I thought democrats cared about the poor.

Jill Colvin AP White House Reporter. Thanks for asking

There is no such thing as a stupid question

Have you ever even talked to a Trumpian?

I’m curious as to, what % of the top 100 medical professionals, would approve of Trump’s handling of this?

I’m going to guess 5%. Don’t talk about your rights, use your medicinal war powers.

They better order a lot more because they are going to need them.

Just to chime in, thise saying Trump is wrong about China creating the virus is comical.

Let me give you a newsflash, Trump has access to more information than you, the news media or even Congress.

The CIA reports directly to the President and the National Security Council\ Joints Chiefs of Staff. Only the highest levels of government clearance of the executive branch know the TRUTH. Don't belive the news telling you it is natural made, the CIA PURPOSESLY feeds the news disinformation all the time, its part of the US National Security Plan the world never knows if what is reported is true.

President Trump probably should not have let it out to the public that we know they created it, but Trump beats to his own drum. The news media doesn't know its are from a hole in the ground on this issue.

I'm 100% certain our CIA has intercepted communication or has moles in the Chinese government that fed them information that is very reliable that the Chinese made this damn virus.

Trump actually slipped up and told us Top Secret Classified information, he probably feels the American people deserve to know the truth about this...how novel, yet people continue to ***** yet the continue to believe a news media that has been caught lying so many times the past 20 years they have the credibility of the National Enquirer

Says the guy that believes the biggest liar to ever step to the podium in a Whitehouse briefing.

Its obvious that they never watched the most unvetted Pres ever Barry the LIAR.

The problem, as we've seen, is that Trump creates his own answers that are often not based on facts or intel.

Trump lies every day, over and over again. That's a proven fact. And you have the nerve to call Obama the liar? You are supporting the biggest liar to ever sit in the oval office.

Are you saying Obama was not a liar? If you are, then you lose massive credibility.

Here's a book that was written about the whooper teller. 598 pages!

trump does that in a week

If you really want to know, here's the data.

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