DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns re-sign Rashard Higgins

2019- yes
2018- No
2020- Who knows.

I never said Higgs wasn’t good for Bake dawg .... i don’t believe he was his go to guy ... i can get on board with security blanket ...

Selective stats paint a pretty picture ..... heck i could make Sashi look like a good gm and hue look like a good HC if all i did was pull out 3 or 4 stats that made my case and forget about all the others being relevant ...

Its not like targets/catches/yards would matter for this discussion ... td’s and then u had to sink to using 3 percentages to make your case ... thats not good dawg ... some on here only understand #’s ... you know more than that so i am surprised u went that route ...

U usually don’t reach like this to make your point ... thats the reason u were spared my sole reply being to let u know who stats are for ... ..

You may wish to look again. Higgins was fifth in catches and playing time in 2018.

haha you know I went that route hoping you would say STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!

Stay safe my man

OH MY GOD!!!

I blew it .... my set up man did an OUTSTANDING job and I missed it ... guess i need to loosen my sphincter too ... *L* ...

Thanks for the set up ... sorry to disappoint ...

Stay safe also Dawg ...

Struggles to get off the ball in press, lacks short area quickness and has 4.64 speed. Not sure how that doesn't fit, it is a very accurate description of his weaknesses. Out of spot and out of position aren't what I was describing. I am simply talking about his physical limitations. It would not surprise me one bit to see someone with elite athleticism like Peoples-Jones beat him out for WR3 in camp.

Higgins wins on route running and QB chemistry. He can't beat NFL corners on a regular basis with his athleticism. I think his film for the first 4 years of his career pretty much prove that to be accurate.

It doesn't matter how you win your route, as long as you win your route.

U speled it wrong, menza ... STATS R 4 LOOSERS!!

The only "chemistry" anyone can point to is how much they worked together before Baker was the named starter. That was in 2018 when neither one of them were on the first team.

Since that time Baker has had an entire pre season with both OBJ and Vice Grips as well as two entire seasons with far more playing time with Vice Grips and one entire season with OBJ.

The entire "chemistry" think is no longer an advantage and if anything is a disadvantage compared to our two staring WR's.

*L* ...

Been a long time since i had this much fun on here ... lots of yuks today ...

Thanks for the *L* ... spelling “insults” and a menZa shot all in one post ... great job ...

I think, if everything goes as planned, and Landry and OBJ play all 16 games, then Higgins won't see much playing time.

However, the chances are small that neither of them miss any time. So, it is nice to have a back-up option available that already has a rapport with Baker.

A nice, cheap back-up option for 1 year. Good signing.

j/c,

Isn't nice to have Higgins back so that we'll have somthing to talk about by continuing this debate.
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Carry on...

Higgins was Tom Selleck's go-to guy on Magnum, along with TC and Rick.

and nobody can argue with that impeccably trimmed mustache.

I always let my wife think I believed her when she said she liked watching Magnum so much because of Higgins and "the lads" (his Dobermans, Zeus and Apollo).

Why not? If it it got her in the mood who cares?

Magnum was like her form of porn.


Just saying, nothing wrong with that. You could even watch it with her. We can't say that about some of the things we have watched. LOL….Hey Honey, come here and watch this. It's instructional.

Actually, I was just saying she thought Tom Selleck was handsome.

Hey, everybody knew that, even us guys.


I am just giving you something else to think about.

My mother used to make what I now view as highly inappropriate comments about his pants when Magnum PI was a thing in the early 80s.

Read the board my man.




Take your pick then. There are a lot of good football players unsigned.




I don't think it's relevant at all given the circumstances and where it appears Higgins wants to be.




I don't think this is a fair assessment. Higgins was on the field less than 17% of the time. Of the 172 snaps Higgins played, how many were run plays? And what was the game situation?

In your assessment, how much better of a receiver is Ratley than Higgins? And do you think injuries played a role in his playing time?

I was not arguing w/you. I actually thought your first post was fair and reasonable. I was just stating my opinions on the things you said.

I won't rehash those opinions/stances, but I'll try and address your new questions.

I have no idea how many run plays were called or what the game situations were. I just know that he was not targeted very often last year. Wait, I can find that stat. I'm back. He had 11 targets last year. That doesn't seem like many out of the 172 snaps.

I don't know if Ratley is better than Higgins. I think Higgins has an opportunity to battle for the 3rd or 4th WR spot on this team. Bull and Diam mentioned special teams. Higgs better be able to contribute there if wants job security.

I think injuries played a significant role last year. I also think he was in the dog house. I get the feeling that most folks on here automatically blame Freddie, but I would like to have more information before assigning blame. Perhaps Higgins earned his place in the dog house? Perhaps not? None of us know for sure.

Hey, I made that video

Been too busy to make vids for this past season..

Dude ... Clowney is asking for a wee bit more than 910k ... he wants more than that per game ... *L* ... so in what world are they comparable ... not in any world with math in it ... *L* ..

Throwing Clowney & Higgs in the “good football players” bin like there equal in any way shape or form in there talent level is like saying Tom Brady and Jamie’s Winston are both good QB’s ...

Its a horse crap comparison on its best day ...

IF People’s develops fast enough and Hodges is a good special teaser Higgs could very well find himself in a battle for a roster spot, I’m pretty sure there’s no scenario where Clowney isn’t a starter ... *L* ...

I would agree 11 out 172 isn't very many. The 172 snaps could have all come during "garbage time." I don't recall all 172 snaps but I don't recall seeing Higgins playing any significant plays with the game on the line. I recall one time either OBJ or Landry was ailing and it was Ratley and Hodge getting the playing time.

I would agree with your assessment of Higgins being in the doghouse. Or, it's quite possible Freddie and Dorsey wanted to see "his" players on the field. You may discredit that, and I'm not saying it's true but the possibility is there.

At any rate, I don't think Higgins lack of playing time is because he's not very good. That seems to be the premise many are making.

I still don't know what the big deal way with Higgins.. Why was he in Kitchens dog house?

I hated putting this together.. but this is what Freddie did to Higgins last season.. smh

j/c...

I don't think any "leader" is keen on a guy who refuses to go into a game and makes negative comments about the HC to the media.

I completely forgot about him refusing to go into the game against Seattle until I read it in another thread earlier today. Sorry Hollywood, you'll get no sympathy from me.

Ya ... i said earlier its easy to root for guys like Higgs ... not so much anymore ... thats a douche move ...

Yeah, I have repeatedly said I like the guy, but I'm sorry......as a former player, I can't imagine refusing to go into a game. I was not wired that way. And as a former coach, I never had a player refuse to go into a game, but if it happened, that player would be dead to me. You don't win w/guys like that!

I wonder if that had anything to do with why he basically got a vet minimum contract ... who knows ... i don’t imagine to many coaches were thrilled about that type of behavior ...

It probably goes a lot further than the other reasons that have been discussed on why he wasn't coveted by other teams. Bro...........no coach ever would want a guy who refuses to play in the game. He might have to accept it if it is a great talent like Antonio Brown...........but Rashard Higgins? LMAO. Nah, not going to happen.

I don’t know if I remember this or not but I thought he disagreed with the coaches about his injury diagnosis and still felt he was hurt. That changes things somewhat.

It appears it was the opposite. Here is the post that Grateful posted earlier today.



You--and others--may disagree, but I can't excuse Hollywood's stance on this one. I think he deserved to be in the dog house if that is true.

I will go a step further. If that story is true, I would have no problem if we cut the dude tomorrow. I did want the Browns to draft him. I have said he was better than guys like Louis and Payton. I have said I was glad we re-signed him, but man......I don't think you win w/guys like that.

There's GOT to be more to it than just that. Has to be...

But we'll probably never know.

Why?

I am not being confrontational and I like you as a poster. But why do you think there has to be more to it than that? Bro, I was a coach and a player............I am telling you that if I had a teammate who refused to go in the game or if I had a player I was coaching go into the game...........I would be done w/him. Sorry, you just lost all respect from me as a teammate and/or a player.

I get that it's cool to blame Freddie for everything. I think the dude sucked, but if that story is true...........I don't blame him for putting Hollywood in the dog house. Just my opinion.

Just to throw my two-cents in on this:

Freddie sucked at controlling the locker room. Though I don't have access or information on every locker room, I highly doubt that NEP, PIT, DAL or BAL has issues with players being late for meetings violating league rules by wearing watches, unapproved shoes, and off style uniform additions like the Browns experienced last year. This Higgins thing is just another nail in that coffin. There were many other such antics going on in that locker room.

Maybe it's just me but you don't win games when the pregame show and early game analysis is focused on the color of shoes a player is wearing or a watch he has on. I don't think it's a good thing to be talking about a player having to change his shoes at half time or he doesn't play when you're getting your azz kicked on the field.

These are distractions and personally I don't give a care how good a player you are or are supposed to be. It's a job and your actions has an effect on the team as a whole. Wearing a dress to the post game news conference (not the Browns) is not being a representative of your employer, it's a freaking look at me ploy.

As soon as you allow players to play the look at me game you have lost the team. Not only that but now those players are getting more attention for their actions rather than their on the field play.

What's the top three items talked about OBJ in 2019? His injury - No! His spectacular catches - NO. His late game touchdown catch for a victory - NO. OBJ had 3 memorable moments in 2019 - wearing a $250,000 watch, wearing unapproved shoes, and complaining that Baker missed him on a potential TD play when the Browns were driving and Baker threw to Landry on a crossing route that was wide open until Njoku faded toward the middle when running a seam route allowing his defender to break off and break up a clear first down pass to Landry but failed because Njoku wasn't disciplined enough to run his route properly.

In fact, not a single thing was talked about considering the Browns failed on the play and the reason. Instead the cameras were all focused on OBJ throwing his helmet and screaming on the sidelines where in fact he was a 3rd option on the play at best and the 1st option had clearly beat his defender.

You show me a team that allows this kind of crap and I'll show you a team that does not win consistently. That said, OBJ and Landry are rare talents that could turn this franchise around. I want them to show me on the field with team play. I want to see wins, TD's, and talk about the team and it's wins - not about a watch, shoes or I was open - you don't win with those type of attitudes.

...about Higgins refusing to go into the game. He should have been cut as soon as the game was over. That said, I don't see a player having the gall to do that with a good coach that the team respects...unless he actually wants to be let go or traded.