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I was so encouraged after Baker’s rookie year as well. Last year he just seemed like a totally different QB (and person) ... we’ll find out how much had to do with FK He looked an awful lot like the horrible rookie under Hue those first few weeks. Maybe the difference is as simple as the difference between a simplified offense and the normal, complicated NFL offense? I think Bake has a chip on his shoulder from last year ... i think he is working his arse off this off season and I expect a HUGE bounce back from him this season ... i am worried he may not be able to process NFL d’s quick enough but with our running game and the weapons we have ... we may just be able to overcome and deficiencies he has in that area ... i expect a very very affective play action passing game .... I expect a GREAT YEAR from us ... KJ left a GREAT FOUNDATION and Andy has done a very good IMO filling in the holes on O and even acquiring another weapon for us ... now it’s on Kev and Bake ... GOOD LUCK MEN ... LETS GOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo
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I *HOPE* he has a chip on his shoulder and I HOPE he shows up having done all the work one could do to destroy their weaknesses. It starts with recognizing what you have to work on and then accepting help in doing the work. That help is an unbiased observer (coach) that tells you whether or not you're doing it right.
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VanPelt said he has to change his foot positioning under center and in the shotgun ... lets hope thats just the start ... He needs to solve his issues with why he throws high too much also ... the man has all the arm talent in the world and can be as accurate as anyone at times ... if he can get his mechanics down and can learn how to read D’s ... he could be very very special ... GOOD LUCK BAKE ... we need U dawg ... 
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the high passes were a concern for sure .. exposing WRs and leading to INTs
I’m worried that he is mostly a 1 read QB ... I’ve seen that implication a few different places and I dont know enough about QB play to dissect it, but I hope he has the ability to grow his field vision
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I don't recall the high passes happening in his rookie year, but they were definitely a problem last year.
I suspect some other QB coach was messing him up; probably trying to change his release point or some whacky thing.
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I had also read something explaining that teams had really focused on applying (or at least showing) pressure over the C/G positions because of Baker’s height issues ... wanting to affect his release point in the pocket
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I don't know if that is the case, but given how poorly our RG play was as well as RT, getting hands up in his face wasn't terribly difficult to do.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Mayfield work under center much more this year. More 3-step drops and bang - the ball's out. More play action, which he is quite good at, and finally, more designed rollouts or even just a slide step left or right to help create throwing lanes and offset defenses pressure up the middle. Oh yeah, and take that stupid shovel pass play to the WR in motion, rip it into pieces, and throw it away (or burn it).
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I don't recall the high passes happening in his rookie year, but they were definitely a problem last year.
I suspect some other QB coach was messing him up; probably trying to change his release point or some whacky thing. Passes were high his rookie year, just not as much. That's probably going to always be a part of his game. It's due to his height. He feels like he needs to get a little more elevation on his passes to get them over the line.
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I agree ... I thought it was idiotic to have so many straight drop backs and plays that took so long to develop. It didnt fit him and it didn’t fit our OL
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Don’t be so sure its all his height .. Vers has pointed out footwork issues on some of his high throws ... Vers knows his stuff ... hopefully he can get that worked out also ... I’m writing last year off as an anomaly for Bake ... it was just a season to forget all the way around ... lets hope it was just an anomaly and not a sign of things to come ... 
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If you consider last year an anomaly, why do you think this is a make or break year for him?
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Year 3 is usually a make or break year for QB’s ... this is years 3 for him ... most qb’s show improvement from year 1 to year 2 .. he regressed big time ...
I said i was writing it off as an Anomaly ... i didn’t say i was forgetting how he regressed from year 1 to year 2 or i wasn’t holding him accountable for his part in it ...
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I have no doubt that his footwork has something to do with it. But compare how Baker throws to Drew Brees. Brees puts a lot of air under almost all his throws regardless of distance. That's how he gets the ball over the line. Baker likes to laser throw all intermediate to deep throws. The only way for him to make those laser throws on a line without much arc is to sail those passes high else they're getting batted down.
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T Passes were high his rookie year, just not as much.
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I don't recall that at all. I'd be interested in seeing proof or hearing other posters correct my memory. He had a good rookie season but it wasn't perfect and I'm not trying to rewrite history.... i just don't recall apattern of balls sailing high.
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I do not recall that being an issue at all year 1.
I believe that a lot of his inaccuracy this past year were injury related. He got banged up pretty good early in the year and I think he had shoulder and hand injuries that caused some of that inaccuracy.
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My recollection is that we saw a lot more of him throwing off his back foot last year than the year before, which tends to lead to overthrows.
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Agreed. I don’t recall it being much of a problem his rookie year. Last season, it was more prevalent.
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And there will be a bunch of idiot fans on here and off of here advocating for it. Sometimes I think Browns fans get what they deserve. Great discussion starter. 
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j/c:
Did anyone see that Nick Chubb was on the Jim Rome show earlier this week and said that "we didn't actually put the work in?"
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j/c:
Did anyone see that Nick Chubb was on the Jim Rome show earlier this week and said that "we didn't actually put the work in?" yeah that was pretty telling. I like that he said “we” too ... the team
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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When he was off his rookie year it was high passes prolly 70% of the time his rookie year ... he was very accurate that year for the most part... but when he did struggle it was usually high ....
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The one game from his rookie year I remember Baker throwing high was the Denver game, especially in the first half. He wasn't too sharp that whole game, but it was enough to win.
It was definitely a bigger problem this year.
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Pretty safe bet. The streak continues. And With a First time Head Coach? Several brand new head coaches, Several season opening losses, strictly coincidence, no correlation whatsoever. Hmm.
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And there will be a bunch of idiot fans on here and off of here advocating for it. Sometimes I think Browns fans get what they deserve. Great discussion starter. I agree.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Of course you do. But, check the mirror, dude.
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Check the mirror for what? You gave me a compliment about posting a great conversation starter, and I agreed. What am I checking the mirror about?
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At Baltimore - LOSS Cincinnati - WIN Washington - WIN At Dallas - LOSS Indianapolis - WIN At Pittsburgh - LOSS At Cincinnati - WIN Las Vegas - WIN Houston - LOSS Philadelphia - LOSS At Jacksonville - WIN At Tennessee - LOSS Baltimore - LOSS At NY Giants - WIN At NY Jets - WIN Pittsburgh - WIN
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I was thinking about how to handle this about a month ago and I kept imagining a scenario where they have to bring in all the players, quarantine everyone separately for 14 days, then have them pass tests before they can bring them together as a group. Then, everyone - coaches, assistants, equipment people.... all would have to be part of it and it would have to be replicated by all 32 teams. A totally closed system. It would be like all of them being deployed for half a year, away from their families and friends. It's the only real way to guarantee anything, and even that isn't a guarantee.
Not doing that simply achieves the result of connecting all of those people and their families/households. Testing before the games merely tells you who has been sick already for a week or two which means that up to what.. eight entire teams could have been exposed and compromised during that time?
It is definitely going to be a strange season. It's why there probably won't be a season. If one player on one team catches it, the whole team has to quarantine, no? So then for 2 weeks you have one team who can't play their games. How is that going to work? As you said, the only way would be a totally closed system. That simply isn't realistic, plus, you have the issue of travel. How do you assure the hotel where teams stay is 100% virus free? How about the bus that gets them to the stadium? The airplane? College football is going to dictate this. I don't think colleges are going to be eager to re-open the campus anytime soon. I hope not. Putting students back in to dinky dorm rooms isn't a good idea. I can already see some are getting a bit slack in precautionary measures. I see another spike in this a few months down the road. Until we find a vaccine, I don't see this ending. How have we done in finding a vaccine for aids? That is harder to transmit than this crud. Just don't have unprotected sex solves about 99% of the problem. This is totally different. It's a different world. I am a old guy. I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon, but I have had my life. I could go next week and feel like it was full. For you folks in your 20's, 30's, 40's, if we can't defend against this, sooner or later it is going to catch you. I can see life expectancy's dropping in a dramatic way if we can't fix this. Right now, men can on average expect to live until the late 70's. Women maybe early 80's. I can see that becoming even closer with people, on average, not living much past 45, 20 years from now. Maybe even younger because children are now starting to die from this as it mutates. As 7 year old children start to die, the average age goes down in a hurry. I won't share what I really think about this stuff, but it is a bad deal unleashed on humanity. Yep, it came from a bat my ass.
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Right. A lot of this falls on the head coach. I mean, you had a head coach who told his second year QB to take time away from football. The HC thought it would be a lot easier than it was. The GM thought it would be a lot easier than it was. Glad that's all behind us now.
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I was thinking about how to handle this about a month ago and I kept imagining a scenario where they have to bring in all the players, quarantine everyone separately for 14 days, then have them pass tests before they can bring them together as a group. Then, everyone - coaches, assistants, equipment people.... all would have to be part of it and it would have to be replicated by all 32 teams. A totally closed system. It would be like all of them being deployed for half a year, away from their families and friends. It's the only real way to guarantee anything, and even that isn't a guarantee.
Not doing that simply achieves the result of connecting all of those people and their families/households. Testing before the games merely tells you who has been sick already for a week or two which means that up to what.. eight entire teams could have been exposed and compromised during that time?
It is definitely going to be a strange season. It's why there probably won't be a season. If one player on one team catches it, the whole team has to quarantine, no? So then for 2 weeks you have one team who can't play their games. How is that going to work? As you said, the only way would be a totally closed system. That simply isn't realistic, plus, you have the issue of travel. How do you assure the hotel where teams stay is 100% virus free? How about the bus that gets them to the stadium? The airplane? College football is going to dictate this. I don't think colleges are going to be eager to re-open the campus anytime soon. I hope not. Putting students back in to dinky dorm rooms isn't a good idea. I can already see some are getting a bit slack in precautionary measures. I see another spike in this a few months down the road. Until we find a vaccine, I don't see this ending. How have we done in finding a vaccine for aids? That is harder to transmit than this crud. Just don't have unprotected sex solves about 99% of the problem. This is totally different. It's a different world. I am a old guy. I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon, but I have had my life. I could go next week and feel like it was full. For you folks in your 20's, 30's, 40's, if we can't defend against this, sooner or later it is going to catch you. I can see life expectancy's dropping in a dramatic way if we can't fix this. Right now, men can on average expect to live until the late 70's. Women maybe early 80's. I can see that becoming even closer with people, on average, not living much past 45, 20 years from now. Maybe even younger because children are now starting to die from this as it mutates. As 7 year old children start to die, the average age goes down in a hurry. I won't share what I really think about this stuff, but it is a bad deal unleashed on humanity. Yep, it came from a bat my ass. I agreed with you ... right up until the very end. Lol But yes, football in 2020 is a pipe dream. It sucks but it’s realistic.
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Not going to touch the wider conversation you’re introducing but as it pertains to football I agree. I keep wondering what happens when (not if) 2, 3, 6, 10 guys on one team come down with it? They test the whole team and find half the guys have it and 1 or 2 are in serious condition? I feel like it’s inevitable. Then what?
So either the collective psychology of the world suddenly changes about this disease and our reactions to it are seriously modified, which is 100% not going to happen unless some kind of antivirus or effective treatment is hit upon, which doesn’t sound likely in the short enough term.
OR we’re in a similar psychological place and we have some players and staff refusing to show up, others claiming they’re not loyal/real men/whatever and the bickering in the wider culture gets even louder about all aspects of how to handle this and the games are played amidst tremendous distraction and strife and might grind to halt anyway.
OR the season is seriously delayed and/or cancelled before the start and we still have all the wonderful society-wide bickering, resentment and conflict but not the problem of teams and stadiums and traveling exposure. It’s a s$1t show any way you go. There is no scenario where something resembling a normal season takes place without an effective treatment coming online IMO.
At the end of the day, the bean counters will decide. Does the insurance cover the exposure? Do they have insurance against the loss of revenue? Is the exposure to lawsuits from players, staff, & fans greater or less than the potential loss of revenue? Is there less loss in writing down the whole season vs some awkward modified season where income might disrupt the ability to write it down? Etc etc.
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ballpeen and purple, I may not understand the testing , but I do not agree with what you are saying. Purple I do not think you would need to isolate the team for two weeks. If they do the viral test, not the antibody test, on everyone it will tell you if anyone has the virus. This test has a very high specificity ( I think that is the right term ) which means if the test is negative it is accurate 99.9 % of the time. So if the test says you are negative you do not have the virus.
If the test says the player is positive, it is not as accurate. The sensitivity of the test is the % of positive results that are accurate. This test is about 65% accurate with positive results. So if a player tests positive we would retest. It would be very unlikely to get two consecutive false positives. If a player is positive he cannot play and would need to be isolated and treated.
This can be done, inconvenient, but it can be done.
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Corona virus discussions pretty much dominating the EE and PP forums - do they have to take over PF too? Since it has a direct impact and implications to the NFL season, I'd say most see it as relative.
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ballpeen and purple, I may not understand the testing , but I do not agree with what you are saying. Purple I do not think you would need to isolate the team for two weeks. If they do the viral test, not the antibody test, on everyone it will tell you if anyone has the virus. This test has a very high specificity ( I think that is the right term ) which means if the test is negative it is accurate 99.9 % of the time. So if the test says you are negative you do not have the virus.
If the test says the player is positive, it is not as accurate. The sensitivity of the test is the % of positive results that are accurate. This test is about 65% accurate with positive results. So if a player tests positive we would retest. It would be very unlikely to get two consecutive false positives. If a player is positive he cannot play and would need to be isolated and treated.
This can be done, inconvenient, but it can be done. So if it’s your starting QB that’s sick you’re basically without him for two games minimum. That could derail a team’s playoff picture quickly.
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ballpeen and purple, I may not understand the testing , but I do not agree with what you are saying. Purple I do not think you would need to isolate the team for two weeks. If they do the viral test, not the antibody test, on everyone it will tell you if anyone has the virus. This test has a very high specificity ( I think that is the right term ) which means if the test is negative it is accurate 99.9 % of the time. So if the test says you are negative you do not have the virus.
If the test says the player is positive, it is not as accurate. The sensitivity of the test is the % of positive results that are accurate. This test is about 65% accurate with positive results. So if a player tests positive we would retest. It would be very unlikely to get two consecutive false positives. If a player is positive he cannot play and would need to be isolated and treated.
This can be done, inconvenient, but it can be done. Unless the tests can correctly show an infection within a day or two of becoming infected, but BEFORE the person becomes contagious, it won't work. Additionally, this testing would have to happen on EVERYONE that enters ANY related facility.... every time they enter. This also means that test results need to be had within minutes, not hours. Lastly, it was my understanding that there was 30% false negative possibility. Secondary re-tests would have to come from a separate batch to ensure you aren't testing from a bad batch. It CAN be done, but not currently. The rapid tests need to become widely available in sufficient quantity to test every employee of all 32 teams plus stadium personnel on a daily basis. Plus Referees and their crews, TV crews, etc...
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ballpeen and purple, I may not understand the testing , but I do not agree with what you are saying. Purple I do not think you would need to isolate the team for two weeks. If they do the viral test, not the antibody test, on everyone it will tell you if anyone has the virus. This test has a very high specificity ( I think that is the right term ) which means if the test is negative it is accurate 99.9 % of the time. So if the test says you are negative you do not have the virus.
If the test says the player is positive, it is not as accurate. The sensitivity of the test is the % of positive results that are accurate. This test is about 65% accurate with positive results. So if a player tests positive we would retest. It would be very unlikely to get two consecutive false positives. If a player is positive he cannot play and would need to be isolated and treated.
This can be done, inconvenient, but it can be done. So if it’s your starting QB that’s sick you’re basically without him for two games minimum. That could derail a team’s playoff picture quickly. Seems to me if 1 player on a team tested positive, the entire team would have to lock down for 2 weeks. You can't play out a season if teams can't play.
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