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I do 2-5,000 D3 a day. Cut it to 1 in the summer as I'm out alot. I've always been deficient. I'm glad I pump it in now!

Check out Dr. Eric Berg on YouTube. Chiropractic Dr and Nutritionist. He posted a video on D and Corona a few days ago. I follow his videos on nutrition and they've turned the health of my innards around 100%.

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Always a horror story about someone out there. I doubt there's anybody anywhere who doesn't have detractors online. I dont do anything I'd consider radical anyway nor do I think the guy ever proposes you should do so.

I do one meal a day and my body seems quite happy. So is my Doctor for that matter who has preached "diet is the key" during our 30 year doctor/patient relationship. He hated putting me on BP meds and took me off when my weight loss dictated it. He's NEVER given me an antibiotic in 30 years. I know people whose doctor passes them out like Skittles! Big pharma hates him I'm sure!

Seems like diet/health is beginning to play a bigger and bigger role in this Covid stuff. Pharmaceutical companies are looking for a payday so I'm sure we'll soon hear that there is nothing to this D thing. That's the real signal that it probably has at least some merit. Americans might want to rethink their lifestyles coming out of this. (That'll happen)

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New cluster emerges in Wuhan

South Korea reports covid case rise.

As I've said, we're loosening restrictions too soon.

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I'd say that those are expected events. There is no escaping this. There is only one direction to go, and that is through.

Infections are going to continue; it's just that simple. The only question is "is the rate manageable?"


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I tested positive for influenza A in december in the hospital. But the symptoms were a lot like COVID. With the new reports that this could have been here as early as November 2019, I would like to ask medical pros on the board if my test could have been mistaken because I never had a flu do to me what this thing did?

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I tested positive for influenza A in december in the hospital. But the symptoms were a lot like COVID. With the new reports that this could have been here as early as November 2019, I would like to ask medical pros on the board if my test could have been mistaken because I never had a flu do to me what this thing did?


The false positive rate for the flu test tends to be very low (though it is not impossible):
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/diagnosis/clinician_guidance_ridt.htm

Many reports indicate that the flu was particularly severe this year.

Finally, while there may have been some cases in the US much earlier than we thought - the evidence still points to a handful of cases at this time, while there were hundreds of thousands of cases of the flu per week.

You very very likely had the flu.


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Just my layman's thoughts on that... they are two entirely separate families of viruses, so if you had an actual positive for Influenza A, I'd think it nearly impossible that it was a potential positive for Sars-Cov-2.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
I tested positive for influenza A in december in the hospital. But the symptoms were a lot like COVID. With the new reports that this could have been here as early as November 2019, I would like to ask medical pros on the board if my test could have been mistaken because I never had a flu do to me what this thing did?


My buddy and I both came back from our Vegas superbowl trip with the flu.

I got over it on my own in a couple days. He on the other hand struggled, ended up going to urgent care and was laid up for a week.


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That's really pretty significant from the perspective of trying to project just how many REAL cases there are out there.

Give the R0 of this, how many people could it have spread to in that time before a single case showed up on hospital to get tested? Whatever that number is, and whatever that ratio is, can give us some increased insight into projecting just how many people may have already had this.


Of course, so would random antibody testing... but this could be done with some quick math.


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Makes you want to take a look at who died from what during January and February.

It's been out for awhile at this point in Ohio. I wonder if people have developed immunity to it?

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Given what has come out recently about phone activity around Wuhan in October and a confirmed case in France in December, it is very likely we are a good bit further down the road than any of us thought.


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NY is saying over 66% of the new cases are people who have been at home the whole time. Not on public transportation or the grocery but home. So much for social distancing apparently. Steadily, cautiously forward...

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I tested positive for influenza A in december in the hospital. But the symptoms were a lot like COVID. With the new reports that this could have been here as early as November 2019, I would like to ask medical pros on the board if my test could have been mistaken because I never had a flu do to me what this thing did?


If the medication worked and you were better in 3-4 days, you had the flu. I hit held on for a long time and meds did no good, it would more likely be COvid.


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Was sick for 5 weeks. Never been hit like that by the flu.

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So get an antibody test. Quest Diagnostics does them and you can order it online and go to their local office.

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Good tip, but $130 bucks and a 3.5 hour one way drive to the nearest facility outweighs my curiosity. lmao.

I wouldn't mind the money, but in combination with the 7 hour round trip drive... I'll have to pass. But I didn't know these were publically available for purchase and thought you had to have a Dr.'s referral to get tested, period. So I'm going to see what's available locally and maybe I will get that test. I'll update this later.

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Alaska stats:

39 Active Cases
334 recovered
10 deaths

We're under 40! I hope we keep this up.

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Might have to go get some new ink. Gotta get a sleeve finished, anyway,,, may as well do it now and support a local business smile



I wish they were doing much more antibody testing. Like, 10x as much. The larger the sample size, the better, right? 1,200 is pretty dang small.


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1200 is a smidgen above nothing a all.
We are not prepared for what's coming next.


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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
1200 is a smidgen above nothing a all.
We are not prepared for what's coming next.


We were not prepared for the first round;
we won't be prepared for the second round

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1200 is a smidgen above nothing a all.
We are not prepared for what's coming next.


We were not prepared for the first round;
we won't be prepared for the second round



Agreed.

We (USA) have never gotten in front of this thing since it dropped on our shores.

Being "Out-Front" means:

1. Universal (accurate) testing/rapid testing results turnaround
2. Contact tracing, once positives are detected
3. Quarantine/sequester on a mass scale, when pod cases are found.

Because we were caught flat-footed, we've never been able to get out-front of this thing, and will forever be chasing it, until a vaccine is ready. By then, the vax will be a day late/dollar short, and we'll be chasing some new mutation. Reports are now already surfacing that a new strain is cropping up, taking dominance over COVID-19, and reasserting itself into South Korea's population. Folks who survived Round One are now testing positive for Round Two.

We aren't anywhere near being able to contain/control/overcome this thing.

Most American people have never been trained/schooled to think in exponential terms. Because of that, they will never take this threat as seriously as they should. And they'll go right back to all their family gatherings, church services, club datess, mass gatherings, etc...

...while this monster continues to creep from of us to ten of us to 100 of us to... without so much as a single physical symptom- for up to TWO FREAKKING WEEKS. I'm sure you get my point.

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My deepest fear is that this infant nation learned nothing from the pandemic 100 years ago, and will do the same stupid s# we did back then: second wave, exponentially more deadly than Wave One.


1/20/2017: the famous "American Carnage" speech.
How prescient.
Oh, the bitter irony.

smdh.

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I'll trade you your bad news for more information or various bad/maybe okay news.
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Turns out the guy linked to the new outbreak in South Korea hasn't necessarily infected new people, but he went to a club while South Koreans were told to stay home.

Link

The other terrible part? He's gay and South Korea apparently has rampant homophobia.
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There has been a few mutations, but what scientists are concerned about are mutations on the spike protein.

So far, they haven't identified any significant mutations on the spike protein, the crown like part of covid, that lets the virus slip into the cell to replicate. Here's a report about the one mutation involving the spike protein but it doesn't impact the region many potential vaccines are trying to kill. The vaccine is designed to neutralize the spike.

There is speculation this mutation could make the disease more transmissible but not much is really known, The mutation seems to have the same lethality.

There is another mutation discovered in Arizona that's showing it's mutating sort of like SARS did, and this mutation caused SARS to die out. However, the mutation seems to currently be just an isolated case.

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Thanks for the update.
More to keep track of.

I'm exhausted, Dawg. Worn tf out.


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My anxious self has been through the wringer on this. Imagine being on vacation in a place SWARMED with people (40K or so) every day while this was starting to explode in the US. Our Disney trip was the week DeWine and the rest of the country shut everything down.

Sorta hard to fully enjoy vacation wondering if the person helping you build your lightsaber is carrying covid...

I've stayed abreast of this since January. I benefit from a similar contact of yours, and my own curiosity has helped me educate myself (with the right sources).

My contact was in south of Hubei in China when this started. We asked them about traveling, as they would be joining us for part of our trip in Orlando, and they said we should be fine. Unfortunately they didn't (along with most of us) expect us to respond the way we did to let it get to where it did.

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Originally Posted By: northlima dawg
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1200 is a smidgen above nothing a all.
We are not prepared for what's coming next.


We were not prepared for the first round;
we won't be prepared for the second round


Aside from stockpiling gear, there isn't much prep to be done.
Hopefully, all of these new manufacturing contracts will be kept working all summer long. By August, any and all talk of insufficient PPE and ventilators should be nonexistent.

A 2nd wave is pretty much a given and it will start from a significantly larger base than the first wave which had to invade and establish its beachhead, but I don't think it will be as catastrophically horrific as fear would have people jump to thinking. Opening back up and increasing the rate of spread during these summer months actually helps decrease the autumn second wave. A steady, sustainable, and manageable increase now is fewer potential places for it to jump to in September, October, and November.


What we REALLY need right now is a boatload of widespread antibody testing to get as clear and realistic a picture as possible of the TRUE infection levels thus far. That will give us an idea of how many "unknown" cases there really are for each one that shows up at the hospital, which then gives us the ability to better estimate and model where we are in the race to 70%. Even if immunity isn't permanent, it is likely it lasts several months, at least... so every case before then is like 1.3 less in the autumn.


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As I understand it, there have been a dozen or more (dozen and a half... trying to recall) mutations discovered, but there are still only the same two strains we've had pretty much the entire time.

If South Korea is getting hit by a 2nd strain, it is actually likely that it is just the one we are dealing with now. They were hit early, so most of theirs would have been the first strain. Then again, we have probably had both circulating here for a while, I'd guess.

I recall when reading about the cases in Washington being tied to the very first case by mutations that marked it that the number was that dozen to a dozen and a half back then. If it was that large then, I'm sure it's probably close to double that two months later. Interestingly, if they are tracking that information, we could actually build a map showing the spread of each mutation separately, which should also allow us to track which mutations came from which. I don't know how useful that might be, but it would be interesting to look at.

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The peer review data on the strains and severity is still limited at best. Initial data in Wuhan said there were two main strains. One strain stayed practically in Wuhan and died out due to the lethality, and the other strain escaped as it was more transmissible, and that's the one traveling around the world. There was speculation the strain on the east coast was worse, but there hasn't been much said other than armchair hypothesis and such.

I think the east coast severity is mainly due to population density; look at how spread out people are on the west coast. Sure, you have large areas such as LA county, San Francisco/Sacramento, and Seattle...but they've done a little better. Not many people cramped in tiny areas such as NYC. Then again, this is partly my own speculation.

There's a site, that catalogues the mutations on a rolling basis. I don't bother with the site as it's beyond my level of comprehension with viral genetics, yet I find it great scientific work as the strains are being mapped and traced. It does exactly what you describe.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

As long as the spike protein doesn't mutate away from the vaccine trial targets, we should theoretically be fine. Let's just hope the vaccine performs the same function it did in labs and test animals to us as the intended subjects.

I also hope the mutations go the way of SARS and burn out, but this doesn't look to be the widespread case.

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The following link is a researcher who has been studying the strains and mutations.

Solid scientific work.

https://twitter.com/trvrb?lang=en

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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
1200 is a smidgen above nothing a all.
We are not prepared for what's coming next.


We were not prepared for the first round;
we won't be prepared for the second round



Agreed.

We (USA) have never gotten in front of this thing since it dropped on our shores.

Being "Out-Front" means:

1. Universal (accurate) testing/rapid testing results turnaround
2. Contact tracing, once positives are detected
3. Quarantine/sequester on a mass scale, when pod cases are found.

Because we were caught flat-footed, we've never been able to get out-front of this thing, and will forever be chasing it, until a vaccine is ready. By then, the vax will be a day late/dollar short, and we'll be chasing some new mutation. Reports are now already surfacing that a new strain is cropping up, taking dominance over COVID-19, and reasserting itself into South Korea's population. Folks who survived Round One are now testing positive for Round Two.

We aren't anywhere near being able to contain/control/overcome this thing.

Most American people have never been trained/schooled to think in exponential terms. Because of that, they will never take this threat as seriously as they should. And they'll go right back to all their family gatherings, church services, club datess, mass gatherings, etc...

...while this monster continues to creep from of us to ten of us to 100 of us to... without so much as a single physical symptom- for up to TWO FREAKKING WEEKS. I'm sure you get my point.

_____________

My deepest fear is that this infant nation learned nothing from the pandemic 100 years ago, and will do the same stupid s# we did back then: second wave, exponentially more deadly than Wave One.


1/20/2017: the famous "American Carnage" speech.
How prescient.
Oh, the bitter irony.

smdh.


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Today's stats in Alaska:

338 recovered
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