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Or it's about not needlessly exposing voters and election workers to a virus we can't sufficiently test for, don't have a vaccine for, and can't track. It's amazing that mail in voting has been fine for years until there is a pandemic and NOW people think it's a problem.

When tactics create dead people, yes, those tactics matter.

Yes, everything the right does is a tactical attempt to gain power and control... not like the left who is altruistic and compassionate in their motives.

Everything Trump is doing is about tactics and has nothing to do with safety. The numbers prove it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-hou...-election-trump

The Communist part of Democrats again trying to find ways to steal elections when other tactics don't seem to be working. Shameful! Our founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew what was happening to this Great Country.

Imagine being against Americans participating in democracy.

All of you against mail-in ballots are a disgrace.

Yes they would. They could have never of dreamed of a scenario where the people of this great nation would put a man like Trump in charge.

That is Balony. Everyone has the RIGHT to vote and that RIGHT remains.

You get anxiety whenever it's proposed that all Americans are mailed a ballot. It's why you keep replying to me about this subject

You don't want freedom and justice for all Americans. You only care about WASPs and the almighty dollar which your worship. If you cared about every American having a voice, you would support every American receiving a ballot in the mail.

Get your weak takes out of here and go kick rocks.

When you leave, you might want to dust off your photo of Ronnie Reagan and the orange haired adulterer who sit on top of your altar. I'd hate for you to lose sight of what your worship.

1- I don't get anxiety over anything.

2- I stand for the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I EXPECT freedom and justice for all Americans.

3- I do not care about WASP's, especially Chinese Murder Hornets!

4- My posts are not weak as I stand for truth. My truth however comes from the real world and you do not.

5- When I leave, you may want to dust off Biden's brain.

Awesome. So I expect you'll stand with me in trying to outlaw conversion therapy?

Can you get the Senate to release the Tara Reade records?

How about allowing transgender individuals to serve in the military?

What are your thoughts on allowing a stone statue of the Qur'an in-front of a public courthouse?

Or is this going to be another "I don't do interviews" type moments. If you dodge all of this, I'll know your answer that's quoted in here is a sham.



We come from the same world of privilege. Instead, I check mine and you just don't care to.



Only if you tell mitch to unseal the records he asked for. That should be easy as you stand for justice. Make it happen.

I never said I was a brain dead Lib.

By the way, I have been meaning to ask you, when is your beloved Science going to show up to the scene?

When will their bus arrive as we bury 10's of thousands of our dead while they tell us to stay in the house, wear a mask and wash our hands?

Trump could have told us that!

Science did show up on the scene. Trump force fed them disinfectant and is ignoring them all.

So Science provided 2 treatments that sometimes work and you are satisfied?

Pfft.

If Trump had not fired the response team, had taken early action, and had stepped up preparations early on we may have never needed to shut things down at all, because science could have been guiding us...

Do you have any idea how long it takes in most cases to develop a vaccine for a virus?

Let's put it this way, they are doing a far better job of finding things that help mitigate the symptoms than Mr. I'm Not A Doctor did. Hydroxychloroquine and disinfectant aren't the answer but they are looking into other things that seem to have a lot more potential.

Reading up on things may help you but that wouldn't be very Trump like.

Yes I have full knowledge of how long it takes science to get things done, if ever.

Just need to survive long enough for them to get done.

Gonna stay in your basement for years or decades?

In the meantime, we will take their sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, meds.

OR

We will live our lives to their fullest while practicing social distancing, washing our hands and wearing masks.

Being less self-centered and selfish will help you greatly.

Back to work time! We have a Nation to save for future generations!

That simply isn't true. Underage people can't vote. Felons can't vote. Dead people can't vote.

People have to prove their age and ID all the time.

I do understand why you don't want people to show documentation they are legal voters. You aren't fooling anybody.

You can't provide one sound reason why people shouldn't show legal ID when going to vote.

You can't cash checks at the bank without a ID.
You can't buy liquor without ID.
You can't buy a gun without ID.
You can't buy a car or drive without ID.

Face it man, you're nothing but bogus blabber. Everybody has ID, and if not, they are slackers who should have no more right to vote than a felon.

JMO.

I bought sudafed from a pharmicist a few months ago. A friend. I know her, and her husband, well. She called me by name when I walked in. She then told me I had to show her my i.d. For a pack of 12 sudafed pills.

I have to show my i.d. when I go to vote, even though the poll workers call me by name when I walk in.

Hell, at well over 50, I get carded at some local gas stations when buying beer.

I can't go to the doctor without showing my i.d.

Just filled out the fafsa yesterday with my daughter - had to enter her state i.d., as well as mine.

You can't function in this country without an i.d., unless it comes to voting - then, some think anyone and everyone can vote.

And those people that can't afford a state i.d. because they are too poor? Somehow, without an i.d., they qualify for medicare.






But I get told by some on here that it isn't fair to require i.d. to vote because some people can't afford the $5 to $15 it takes to get a simple state i.d., valid for 4-6 years.

Hey, I'm responding to you in good faith here. You bring up some good points and I'd like your take on this.



What's the reason for this? Is it an added punishment for committing a felony?

While I understand, education research shows that zero tolerance really goes nowhere. Research shows that interventions actually help, and people can become rehabilitated. I know Florida is letting felons vote, and I hope the rest of the country takes the same initiatives.



We've talked a bit since 2011 about how voter ID can disenfranchise people. I'm all for voting with ID, yet I want to see us make it happen so all of our voters can easily obtain ID.

Wouldn't it be wonderful to see a 60-80% of eligible voters participate in democracy.



You actually didn't ask what my position was. I beliee people should establish who they are. I want it done in a method to where all American can establish their eligibility. The current system, not getting into the whole by design/they're too lazy discussion, has it so that's it's hard for a considerable amount of minorities to not participate in democracy. Some of that involves identification.

I'd actually like for election day to be on a Saturday or to be considered a national holiday. It'd be great to see full participation with as many barriers lowered as possible.

You're the one assuming. All you have to do is ask to clarify my positions.

You can't provide one sound reason why people shouldn't show legal ID when going to vote.



Who are we to judge why someone is doing something?

It'd be easy for me as a teacher to say "huh, this kid is failing and didn't turn in work. His fault" and wash my hands of it. However, it's my job to make sure I do everything I can to put a child in a position to succeed. I throw away any potential negative thought and do everything I can to try and get the student to a positive frame of motivation. We can do this with society as a whole, too!

We may be of different ideologies, but I know you're a thinker on this. Let's keep this discussion going.

The DMV's are closed right now. I got a letter from the state I have to carry extending my license in to November as I need to renew it.

I need to get the new license so I can fly when I choose to do so. Not sure I will do that anytime soon.

To do so I have to have a birth certificate, which I have. A social security card, which I have, and proof of residence. I have to bring a couple of recent mailings with my name and address.

No, it isn't easy. If I want to fly I have to do the things necessary to participate.

As to voting, I want everybody eligible to be able to vote. I am more concerned with people voting who aren't eligible.

Well this is actually a non issue for mail in voting because in order to receive that mail in ballot you still have to be registered to vote. States have requirements for registration and if need be can make tweaks to their registration processes. If it's important that somebody show proof of citizenship or an ID of some sort, they could just do it then. And ID numbers can be transmitted verbally, electronically, or even scanned into picture form and mailed. There is no need to show up at a physical place to present this ID. Even the IRS does not require that and they send refunds out in vast sums all based on mail in and electronic submissions.

There are also many other ways to verify people who are they claim. Credit bureaus ask questions about your credit report items. Tax
return information is personally identifiable. Bank accounts, debit cards, and credit cards are personally identifiable. Bills in your name, SSNs, service records, health records, birth certs, titles, deeds, leases, loans, state/fed benefits/assistance, etc. are all personally identifiable documentation that states could use in any combination to prove you are eligible to vote.

The excuses and tired argument that you need to show a physical ID in a physical location to a temporary party employee with zero fraud training is just a ruse to suppress voter rights. I can literally buy or sell anything online, by mail, or with electronically transmitted documentation with nothing more than a notary witnessing OR electronic verification processes IF I even need that much verification. So I'm sure we can figure out mail in ballots if we put our big boy pants on and get to work on the issue.

I understand why you see it that way.. others see it as a way to ensure voters rights.

I agree with much of what you said regarding the variety of ways to ensure fraud doesn't happen.. so to help me reconcile this, if we are able to ensure 150 million Americans can vote remotely and still be safe and fraud free, even though many of them lack access to the technology to "scan things" or have a secure wifi connection, etc... then why couldn't congress vote remotely? A much smaller group of people with access to the very best technology and security...

J\C
I love how the flim flam lefties always use the suppression issue when it comes to having to be a legally registered voter . The real suppression is when I can get my LEGAL vote negated by an illegal voter ,come lefties at least try to be honest.

1. Felons
I'm actually a little on the fence regarding letting felons vote. I'm also of the opinion that we imprison more people than we should. I agree with your stance on rehabilitation. I would be ok w/ keeping the 'felons can't vote' rule so long as the pool of people affected by this rule is boiled down to the worst of the worst.

2. People have to prove their age/ID all the time
I agree with you on your last point. I would love to see that high of a turnout. Unfortunately, I don't think figuring out this whole ID thing would be even a drop in the bucket to getting us there. Way bigger reasons why people don't vote.

3. You aren't fooling anybody (These titles are just so I can respond to each of your sections, line by line, and clearly show which is which)
Making voting day a national holiday is a fantastic idea. That, or implement the practice of getting paid excused time in order to go and vote, and providing proof.
You mentioned lowering barriers. I'm all for lowering barriers... as long as the barriers are well-defined and enforced. Establish your rules, and follow them. If they suck, then fix them.

4. Slackers
I did want to mention one thing about your teacher comment. The big difference between you and your students... and local/state/fed govt and the citizens is that it's not the governments job to teach/hold their hands. I think voters should be treated as adults, where them voting is their responsibility. I think there's a fine line between giving sufficient guidance/help and absolving the voter from responsiblity.

I believe once you pay your debt to society, you should be allowed to vote. Several states have already began to allow it. You either paid you debt to society or you haven't. Holding it over their heads for their entire life isn't justice.

https://legalbeagle.com/6500867-states-allow-convicted-felons-vote.html

I think it's ridiculous that congress can't work and vote remotely. I also understand your concern with a lack of access to technology for making copies and such. Most of these are more publically available than quick transportation to a polling station though, for those lacking that. The benefit of verification at registration electronically or via mail would allow people many options and more time to qualify as well.

Another thing I would point out is that in Ohio if you do not have proper ID or you can not be found on the voter rolls, you still have the option to vote on a supplemental ballot. This flies in the face of needing an ID to vote, although these ballots are rarely counted unless the race is very close... sometimes not even then.

I thought most Republicans are for State's Rights? You know the mail in voting is a State's choice, right? So which is it?

Like I said in a previous post, mail in voting has been happening for years, and Trump admits he did it, yet opposes others doing it. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

J\C
Hypocrisy to the lying left maybe but VOTER FRAUD to Republicans for sure, The left hypocrisy at its finest, right.

What the heck does that even mean?

Give it a minute. The line about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor is most likely coming next. He hasn't figured out that Trump has lied more than any other elected official in history. I had no idea Trump was on the left.

ok Pit, i need you to stop being fake. you know damn well we had to defend our Servers from hillary and the germans back in 1865, at the same time Fredrick douglas was drafting our constitution. Trump wouldnt lie to us!

This is fake news. Our planes during the revolutionary war evolved in time to stop the hacking then!

If it's about "state's rights", then why is pelosi pushing it on her coronovirus stimulus for the entire country? Why would anyone want anonymous voters in an election?

There's ways you can make sure people aren't doing this the wrong way.

Yet, I'm quite certain you're against expanding democracy to all Americans. Your "nope, can't do this!" attitude speaks volumes.

What are these ways you speak of? They'd have to stick poll workers in everyone's house to make sure the voter on the ballot is that person. What happens when the usps loses a bag of ballots? What happens if someone steals your ballot from your mailbox? How long before people are selling their ballots?

I'd rather the lazy stay home like they always do. I'd also prefer those citizens show their ID at the polls.

Let the experts figure it out.

Neither you or me are experts in figuring out how to do this. It's worth a look.

Brenda Snipes or Susan Bucher might be available for advice.

Flashback:
The corruption of Brenda Snipes

"Brenda Snipes, the woman in charge of the ballot counting in Broward, is refusing to answer questions regarding why the ballots have yet to be counted".

To commit voter FRAUD as usual... What else is new for the libs.

So much for, "We, the people". Is pelosi one of your experts?