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1. LSU (65) 6-0 1,625
2. California 5-0 1,538
3. Ohio State 6-0 1,511
4. Boston College 6-0 1,346
5. South Florida 5-0 1,339
6. Oklahoma 5-1 1,221
7. South Carolina 5-1 1,183
8. West Virginia 5-1 1,059
9. Oregon 4-1 1,047
10. USC 4-1 1,024
11. Missouri 5-0 966
12. Virginia Tech 5-1 910
13. Florida 4-2 822
14. Arizona State 6-0 752
15. Cincinnati 6-0 705
16. Hawaii 6-0 634
17. Kentucky 5-1 612
18. Illinois 5-1 595
19. Wisconsin 5-1 551
20. Kansas 5-0 336
21. Florida State 4-1 307
22. Auburn 4-2 248
23. Texas 4-2 136
24. Georgia 4-2 131
25. Tennessee 3-2 90
And the USA Today poll:
1. LSU (58) 6-0 1,498
2. California 5-0 1,416
3. Ohio State (2) 6-0 1,399
4. Boston College 6-0 1,283
5. Oklahoma 5-1 1,145
5. South Florida 5-0 1,145
7. USC 4-1 1,000
8. Oregon 4-1 936
9. West Virginia 5-1 931
10. Virginia Tech 5-1 913
11. Missouri 5-0 897
12. South Carolina 5-1 823
13. Arizona State 6-0 763
14. Florida 4-2 714
15. Wisconsin 5-1 689
16. Hawaii 6-0 632
17. Cincinnati 6-0 578
18. Kentucky 5-1 493
19. Illinois 5-1 425
20. Kansas 5-0 390
21. Florida State 4-1 213
22. Texas 4-2 195
23. Georgia 4-2 188
24. Purdue 5-1 149
25. Auburn 4-2 143
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Ohio State got a couple of first place votes in the USA Today poll but all of the AP votes went to LSU.......
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If only LSU lost...... plenty of season to go to make our statement though! 
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USC deff should have dropped farther IMO.
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Agreed How does Wisconsin drop form 5 to 19 and USC only drops 5-6 spots?
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I did my part in rooting them down.....didn't work though! 
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Plenty of time for everyone to "take a hit" yet,....the only question that remains will it be, LSU, OSU or Cal ?? I was staying with LSU last nite;...the Gators are OUT !!!
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I think USC beats Cal at the end because it's that kind of year........ I'd love to see an LSU/OSU matchup, not just because I'm a Buck fan but because I'm a football fan.....I think that would be one helluva battle that would come down to the end, even better than OSU/Miami in 2002.....
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Could`nt you have added this to the exisiting thread..... ...Sorry Shep...Had to do that.....
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Could`nt you have added this to the exisiting thread..... ...Sorry Shep...Had to do that.....
No need to be sorry, I expected it at some point.....  (hence my smiley in the title)
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There's also nothing yet that says all 3 might lose,....but I think at least one will be lucky and survive.
Of these 3, I believe LSU is the strongest bet to get a shot with one loss,...
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There's also nothing yet that says all 3 might lose,....but I think at least one will be lucky and survive.
Of these 3, I believe LSU is the strongest bet to get a shot with one loss,...
In the last few weeks we've observed that anything can happen.......not to mention the first coupla weeks with Appy State etal......
I dare say the Bucks team this year is better on the D side of the ball overall then they were last year, so I think they can can run the table and git r done.
The Fighting Illini scare me more than any other team.....on the schedule OR in a bowl game.
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OSU needs to just keep winning... polls mean nothing until November... win the big Ten first... then worry about a National Championship
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USC loses to a TERRIBlE, and I mean, awful Stanford team, and drops 9 spots. Kentucky loses to a team ranked 3 spots below them, and a Top 10 team and drops 9 spots. I don't understand that 
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This is exactly why I put no credence in ANY "poll." At least the BCS makes a determination based on some semblance of order and decorum, and the matter is decided ont he field,... However, you really didn't think Kentucky would be ranked # 1 after running the SEC table did you,....?? 
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This is exactly why I put no credence in ANY "poll." At least the BCS makes a determination based on some semblance of order and decorum, and the matter is decided ont he field,..
So you don't put any credence on a poll... but you put credence on the BCS which is based on the polls....  Just messin with ya.
I personally wish they woudl do away with the polls until midseason... just have them come out in Oct.
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This is exactly why I put no credence in ANY "poll." At least the BCS makes a determination based on some semblance of order and decorum, and the matter is decided ont he field,..
So you don't put any credence on a poll... but you put credence on the BCS which is based on the polls.... Just messin with ya.
I personally wish they woudl do away with the polls until midseason... just have them come out in Oct.
Exactly......
There should be no polls whatsoever until week 5 of the season at the earliest.
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This is exactly why I put no credence in ANY "poll." At least the BCS makes a determination based on some semblance of order and decorum, and the matter is decided ont he field,..
So you don't put any credence on a poll... but you put credence on the BCS which is based on the polls.... Just messin with ya.
I personally wish they woudl do away with the polls until midseason... just have them come out in Oct.
Like the BCS does,...you're right, it's partially based on polls, but the computers have their say too. And the BCS doesn't count the AP (directly),...that's the part I like.
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This is exactly why I put no credence in ANY "poll." At least the BCS makes a determination based on some semblance of order and decorum, and the matter is decided ont he field,..
So you don't put any credence on a poll... but you put credence on the BCS which is based on the polls.... Just messin with ya.
I personally wish they woudl do away with the polls until midseason... just have them come out in Oct.
Like the BCS does,...you're right, it's partially based on polls, but the computers have their say too. And the BCS doesn't count the AP (directly),...that's the part I like.
Cus the AP decided that it was a stupid system.... which I agree with... better than the old system, but still a waste.
and it's two-thirds polls and one third computer poll which was created by humans... and I find it funny how you can get those computers and you'll have a team like Cincy (just using them as an example) ranked like 2nd on one computer and 15th on another...
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Not directed only at you, but to all posters: I support not posting rankings until week 5, but, looking at the rankings, the top 3 spots would probably look exactly the same even if the rankings came out after week 5.
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Not directed only at you, but to all posters: I support not posting rankings until week 5, but, looking at the rankings, the top 3 spots would probably look exactly the same even if the rankings came out after week 5.
yeah... that's why have them come after week 5, so we have an accurate knowledge of how the teams are playing...
I mean look at the pre-season top 5
1. USC - lost to Stanford - should be out of top 10
2. LSU - legit
3. WVU - probably still top 10 easily, but no way top 3
4. Texas - LMAO - not in top 20
5. UM - uh huh - not a top 25
So you have one team that is a legit top 5 still... two that you can make arguments for being top 10, one thats barely in the top 20, and one that is clawing their way back into the rankings...
there's just no need for preseason rankings except for the TV companies to say we have #1 vs whatever.
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Good point. Heck look at what has happened to the preseason top 10.
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Agreed How does Wisconsin drop form 5 to 19 and USC only drops 5-6 spots?
I believe that's the human element.. I think people genuinely believe the USC loss was a fluke but I don't think they had all that much confidence in Wisconsin to begin with...
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I agree.
Most reasonable people don't think Wisconsin is anywhere near as good as USC.
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Agreed How does Wisconsin drop form 5 to 19 and USC only drops 5-6 spots?
I believe that's the human element.. I think people genuinely believe the USC loss was a fluke but I don't think they had all that much confidence in Wisconsin to begin with...
What I have problem is what is the difference between losing to Stanford and App. State?
Both were a 40+ underdog, and both were away teams....can you honestly say on a neutral field App State wouldn't win or give Stanford all it could handle? Besides it's not like USC has been playing lights out and blowing everyone away. Last week they almost lost to Washington....
I am just looking for a double standard. I am not a UM fan but why should UM fall completely out of the top 25 when it loses to App. State but USC only falls 6 spots when it loses to Stanford....What's the difference?
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It looks good being back in the top 3 but we have a lot of football left.
Our final (4) games are
@ Penn St.
Wisconson
Illinois
@ Michigan
We could easily go .500 in that stretch so we have to take care of our business b4 we think about another title apearance.
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I am just looking for a double standard.
Those really aren't all that hard to find.. in fact they are pretty much everywhere...
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What I have problem is what is the difference between losing to Stanford and App. State?
Well, just off the top of my head... App. state was the first game... if Michigan was 3-0 or 4-0 when they lost to App State, they probably do NOT drop all the way out of the top 25.... Stanford's 3 losses, while they were lopsided, were all to ranked teams, UCLA, Oregon, and Arizona State.. the only "bad" team they had played, they beat, San Jose State.... Now, add in the fact that App State has since lost to Wofford... and it puts things in better perspective...
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What I have problem is what is the difference between losing to Stanford and App. State?
I'd say you have a valid point. The only logical explanation is the one DCDawg noted when he spoke of the "human element." There is a currently a notion amongst the sportswriters of America. The notion is that USC, and Florida can contend with anybody in the country. - I suppose it is a valid notion, but, the fact remains that Florida lost to an unranked Auburn team and stayed in the top 10 following that game, and, as you know, USC lost to an unranked Stanford team and remained in the top 10. Essentially, there is a flawed, biased, ranking system at hand. A playoff system would answer a lot of questions for us all.
On the other side, I'd say the BCS has done a pretty good job in recent years of presenting the parity of college football. Going back to '02, Miami was supposed to beat Ohio State by 13 points, but the Buckeyes prevailed and proved that sometimes, the BCS does get it right. Since then, in '03 LSU won the BCS championship, but the sportswriters felt USC was the best team in the country, alas you had a split national championship, which means the BCS failed to do its job. In '04 USC was the BCS, and undisputed champion of college football, but Auburn finished the regular season undefeated and won their bowl game. -In that case, the BCS failed to do its job. In 2005 USC played Texas in on of the greatest championship games ever and Texas prevailed as the undisputed national champion.-In that case, the BCS did it's job. Last year, Ohio State was the undefeated #1 team wire to wire, but was beaten by a Florida team many felt did not qualify for a national title, berth, as you know, Florida won ( Ohio State had a 51 day layoff and key injury to their best player on the first play of the game) , anyway, as I was stating, Florida's win proved that the BCS did its job
So, recent history has proven that more often than not, the BCS does not do it's job, and more likely than not, there will be controversy at the end of the year as to who the #1 team should be.
This season is shaping up to showcase a legit National Championship. Whether it's LSU vs. Cal, LSU vs. Ohio State, or Cal vs. Ohio State, it seems legit. But, if all three of the aforementioned teams finish the year undefeated, then you've got another split National Championship on your hands. Which means that the BCS would not have done its job.
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I still say, college football needs to do an "Add 1" playoff. Keep all the existing bowl agreements but make sure #4 plays #1 and #3 plays #2. The winners then play in the "Add 1" bowl. Call it the BCS Championship bowl or have it be one of the current BCS bowls (while adding another to keep the same amount of teams in the money). It'll work.
An 8, 12 or 16 team playoff is worthless to even discuss. This will work. More than likely, the 5th and 6th (or higher) ranked teams don't deserve a title shot anyway. This system is really for making sure you have the right teams playing for the title. Most of the time, it's the two undefeated teams....but there's usually one or two more teams left out.
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LOL.. why didn't you mention that Miami lost McGahee the year OSU beat them?
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This season is shaping up to showcase a legit National Championship. Whether it's LSU vs. Cal, LSU vs. Ohio State, or Cal vs. Ohio State, it seems legit. But, if all three of the aforementioned teams finish the year undefeated, then you've got another split National Championship on your hands. Which means that the BCS would not have done its job.
The problem is that there are half a dozen other undefeated teams remaining.... Boston College, Missouri, Kansas, and Arizona State... to name a few... So in essence, you are doing exactly what you accused the BCS of doing.. ASSUMING that Florida and USC can compete with anybody. You may have expanded yours to include OSU and Cal but in the end, you still disregarded half a dozen teams which may be undefeated at the end of the year... most of them probably won't, but if just one of them is... then what? So if OSU, LSU, and Boston College are all undefeated, then is the National Championship game OSU and LSU? Is that a foregone conclusion?
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Don't get me wrong, if there are other undefeated teams at the end of the year, then yes, they deserve just as much consideration as well. My example was based on the premise that OSU, LSU, and Cal are the only undefeated teams. Funny how that whole Willis McGahee thing slipped my mind. 
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My example was based on the premise that OSU, LSU, and Cal are the only undefeated teams.
I understand.. and if those are the 3 undefeated teams, then there will be a controversy for sure, no matter what happens because Cal will have run the table in the Pac 10, LSU will have run the table in the SEC and OSU will have run the table in the Big 10... Regardless of who else on my list is undefeated, the NC game will be 2 of those teams....
But, and this is where the second controversy comes in... what happens if LSU loses a squeeker in the SEC Championship game, Cal loses by 2 to USC, and OSU wins out... but Boston College is undefeated.... then you have OSU undefeated and deserving of a spot but you have a slew of 1-loss teams who may very well be deserving but you have BC who hasn't lost.... Do you exclude an undefeated team from a major conference just because you FEEL that the 1-loss team is better?
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If there are only two undefeated teams at the end of the year, then those two are in the National Championship game. If there is 1 undefeated team, and a slew of 1 loss teams, then there is a big mess.
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Not to side with the BCS "haters" here, but then why wasn't Boise State in the title game against Ohio State,...??
Just jerking your chain,...you're right of course, if there are 2 undefeated's that are the 2 top ranked BCS teams, then, yes, they will play.
As for the rest of a "one-loss mess ?" Not my problem, that's why this system was created in the first place, and it's a whole truckload better than the antiquated bowl system - and that, we still have anyway.
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I believe that's the human element.. I think people genuinely believe the USC loss was a fluke but I don't think they had all that much confidence in Wisconsin to begin with...
Considering Wisconsin was the underdog in that game I'd have to agree with you...
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And that points up the whole problem with polls, especially early ones. IF the pollsters really didn't believe in Wisconsin in the first place, i.e. before Illinois, why were they still on the gravy train ??
For that matter, why are the Buckeyes ?
Why WEREN'T the Illini ??
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And that points up the whole problem with polls, especially early ones. IF the pollsters really didn't believe in Wisconsin in the first place, i.e. before Illinois, why were they still on the gravy train ??
For that matter, why are the Buckeyes ?
Why WEREN'T the Illini ??
ummm FYI... pollsters don't make betting lines...
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LOL.. why didn't you mention that Miami lost McGahee the year OSU beat them?
I may be insane when I say this but even when Mcgahee was in he wasnt much of a factor at all. Granted he had a couple of nice runs not much else. Although I dont think the 51 day lay off had much to do with it. The deciding factor in that game was in the trenches not at a skill position. Alex Boone gave up 3 sacks to percy harvin. On defense our line looked tired and couldnt provide any pass rush what so ever. Florida deserved to win. Miami fans however need to get over themselves.
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