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My 2 cents. This gentleman died of positional asphyxia. It wasn't the knee on the throat that killed him, it was being forced to a prone position with no relief from the pressure on the diaphragm. I was a trained instructor in non-violent crisis intervention and have been involved in more than my share of physical restraint. The most important information they stressed in the program was to never restrain someone in the prone position, and if they end up there, get them out of it ASAP. If that's not possible, get some leverage under the shoulders to raise the shoulders/chest and get the pressure off of the diaphragm. All law enforcement officers are trained to do this as a result of the Malice Green case and others where suspects died while being restrained face down.

I have seen people turn blue within seconds of being restrained on their stomach. It used to be common practice for law enforcement to just put a knee on the back of someone in this position, and it looks like the police here were applying pressure to this man's back. I am pretty surprised that he remained conscious for as long as he did. In the hospital/ER, we are required to designate a patient advocate not involved in the crisis to monitor the patient's physical status and make sure any physical intervention is being done as safely as possible.

The police officers ignored the obvious signs that this man was in physical distress and could easily die.

I noticed a stream of fluid coming from under the car and wondered if the guy wet himself as he was choking out. I can't believe nobody I've seen said anything about that.

So you have the autopsy report? And really why even question how at this point? The gentleman was brutally murdered. That’s how he died. By the handS that are suppose To protect us. The police have always ignored civil rights in black communities. Why wouldn’t they ignore the fact that he was choking to death?

I’m seeing news and clips this morning of the ugliness that has now unfolded throughout Minneapolis. Riots, tear gas, etc ... such a maddening situation ... I’m still pretty angry about what I saw in that video

I haven't seen the vid, and probably won't.

What I don't understand is why once the guy is down why the need to put your knee on his neck? I can see maybe having to do that to get the cuffs on if the perp is struggling. Just uncalled for.

I really wish police departments would screen applicants better and quit hiring commando type personalities.

No doubt we don't need forces full of Barney Fife types, but we don't need Rambo either. Let those people who got jacked up in Iraq or wherever work for private security companies that guard nuclear power plants and such. If somebody breaks in there, rough them up all you want. Shoot them for all I care. Some people just can't deal with civilians.

Yep, this poor guy may have struggled a bit, probably said a few things. Get the cuffs on and it is over. This guy didn't need to have his windpipe crushed.

That’s a good point too. You can’t group all police officers together, just like you can’t group all Republicans, Democrats, whites, blacks, etc ... there are a lot of GOOD people at every job, and a lot of BAD people as well.

One thing I’ve read that I’m a little nervous about: protestors have gathered outside of the cop’s house. He deserves everything that’s coming his way ... but who knows if he has kids/family members/etc.

Why the hostility twd my post? First of all, I said it was my 2 cents. That means opinion. I in no way diminished the fact that this guy was wrongly killed by the police. I saw a situation with which I am familiar and thought it was worth a talking point. Unwind your panties. pffffft.

No doubt. It doesn't happen all that often, but it happens too often. Once the cuffs are on, it ends. It doesn't matter what they say to you, etc. If they start spitting, that requires some added actions, but you still don't choke him.

There have been several cases like this. Pitiful.

On the other hand, some people deserve what they got. The one that sticks out was some guy stole some cigars or something from a store. The cop locates him and the guy comes over and tries to take the cops gun. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you try to take a cops gun, there is a very high probably you are going to get shot.

I agree with that. His wife, kids, parents, dog had nothing to do with this. You don't do that. You just don't do that.

Like you said, this guy will get his just deserve once it works in to court. Don't mess with the family. In Al Capone days they had a code, and one still in practice. If somebody needed to be outed, you found them, you didn't mess with the family. They had nothing to do with it.

I actually appreciated your analysis. I am not educated enough to agree w/it or not, but it sounds like you know a helluva lot more about such things than I do. More information is always welcomed.

Back to the murder. I really can't think of an event in the last year or so that triggered my anger more than what I witnessed while watching that video. I don't know the victim. He may have been a very bad person, but damn man..........that was cold-blooded murder. That should never be allowed to happen. I know this sounds like BS, but I don't see any way possible that I would not have intervened had I been there. To hell w/the consequences. I would not watch the murder of another citizen w/out trying to help.

That was a big take away for me .. how can those other cops not stop him? I work with a few close friends ... if one of them was doing something that egregious, I’d go over and be like “Okay bud, that’s good” ... and extricate them from the situation. I think that’s the least you can do.

j/c...

j/c

I have seen the video. Both videos including the beginning and ending of the incident. I agree with everyone who calls this murder. It's disgusting. I watched the videos because usually the very same incident illicits varying responses as to what happened. Only if I see it for myself can I draw my own conclusions. I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to see it. As a matter of fact I didn't want to see it. It's just something I felt the need to do.

I do have one aspect of this incident I wanted to bring up and see what other posters thought about it.....

As many have suggested and I agree with, murder charges should be filed. At the least voluntary manslaughter. But my question goes beyond the officer engaged with the suspect. What about the other officers?

There were three other officers at the scene. By law, if a crime is being committed and you are accompanying the person who commits that crime, you are held just as accountable as the person who committed the actual crime.

So how will that work? Did those cops who stood by and allowed this one cop to murder this guy hold no accountability? You wouldn't consider them accessories to the crime?

I don't see one bad cop here. I see four. I don't see one criminal in this. I see four.

When a cop who may not themselves commit such an act stand by and do nothing when such an act is committed, they are no less worse than the cop who commits the act himself.

Yeah, I have to think the other 3 cops are culpable as well. Maybe not with the same charges, but with some charges.

As a teacher/coach ... if I see another teacher/coach step over the line, you better believe I feel the moral and logical pressure to step in and stop the behavior ... at least to extricate that person.

^^Acho video^^


This is a sentiment I issued here several years ago. In it, I mentioned that social change only begins when those who are unaffected personally by the triggering act become as outraged as those personally aggrieved. When white America saw, for the first time, 12 year-old girls beset upon with attack dogs, human beings being washed down the street with fire hoses, etc THAT'S when the Civil Rights Movement became mainstreamed. Before that, the prevailing sentiment was one of disinterest and vague annoyance.

"Oh... so that's what they've been trying to tell us-"

But more to the point: there must be a substantial shift in police culture, as well. So long as there exists a culture of covering for cops who behave this way, the public will never even try to separate the Good Cops from the Bad Cops. And why should they? A cop who never steps out of line, yet never steps up when wrongs have been committed may not be just as culpable as the bad actor, but s/he has done nothing to make things better, either.

This is truly one of those times where if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.


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In defense of the other cops, kneeling on the back of the neck is a part of training. They don't really know how much force is being put on the guy.

I think most people are going to say they can't breath, when they can, but just not as freely.

Frankly, it is a maneuver that needs to be abolished in all departments except in the most serious of moments. Once the person is cuffed, how hard is it to control him by grabbing the back of the neck? If the guy keeps struggling, rub his face in to the asphalt a few times.

Tell him you will keep doing that if he keeps doing that. Once someone starts getting skin rubbed off their nose, they will usually get the message.


It won't feel good. They aren't going to look pretty, but skin comes back. They aren't going to die from a skinned nose and forehead.

Black Lives Matter

I have the Minneapolis scanner on radio reference and live copter tv coverage on kstp online.
Bad situation getting worse. Tear gas, rock and projectiles being thrown, looting of multiple stores, autozone across from district police station 3 set on fire about half hour ago

Amen brother.

You cannot ignore the elephant in the room. I'm tired of reading statistics and all the other b.s. I know what I watched... Numerous times now. I have a deep respect for those that put on a badge and serve and protect, but quit sweeping the bad apples under the rug like every incident is some unfortunate anecdote.

You want me to believe this isn't "culture"?

Prove it.

What about putting somebody in the back seat of a squad car, would think that'd be possible.

Not yet.
Maybe some day.

#400yrs+counting

really happy to see a lot of cops calling this out. this isn't the proper way to detain someone, and shame on the others that were there, that didn't try to stop it either. Really really sad

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Mentally tired. #exhausted #frustrated #blacklivesmatter

j/c:

Where, after he was subdued was he resisting arrest? You really just have to roll every topic with your closet racism, huh?

j/c

She got fired and had her dog removed from her home as well...

Blown out of proportion much?

And anyone who has seen his interview since this incident would be fully aware that he is not bitter about it.

His message is that the woman should reflect on why this was her reaction? Why was this the place she went to first? Those are good questions.

I've seen so many either ignore or pretend such things are not common place. But they are. I'll go back to something I said in another thread on this board. "You never know what someone goes through until you walk a mile in their shoes".

As we've already seen on this very thread, deflecting away from the main point by trying to focus on the aftermath as a distraction is under way.

So you think calling the cops claiming someone is threatening you isn't a big thing? You think the way she is dragging that dog around isn't something a rescue shelter should not address?

Maybe if you get treated that way some day you'll understand. But then, that would never happen to you would it?

She was scared because a man approached her in a park. I don't expect you to understand because you are not a female.

She acted like an idiot to be sure, but her getting fired and having her dog taken away was an overreaction.

He didn't approach her. If you actually watch the video, it was her that approached him. He was standing away at a safe distance. You mean you didn't see her approach him and him tell her not to get closer? Don't play your woman card where it doesn't apply.

She plainly approached him in a threatening manner and he had to tell her to stay away.

I play the woman card since it does apply. You are just clueless about women's issues.

Maybe you need to get an aye test if you can't plainly see it was her who approached him and he had to tell her to stay back. I mean you do comprehend what the word approach means, right?

Did you watch the video? She was strangling that dog, and dragging it by its head twisting and then forcing it to the ground. She is no way shape or form suitable to be a dog owner. That's one.

Secondly, she was approaching him. He was standing there asking her to leash her dog, which is the policy of the park they were at.

You can literally see the privilege in her face, that she was disgusted a BLACK MAN had the gull to tell her what to do.

Then, when on the phone, she plays up the hysterics like she was being attacked.

GTFOH.

We will have to agree to disagree. She did act stupid, but he should have stayed away from her.