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Seeing the videos of the looting and violence that has stemmed from the murder in MN is so shocking to watch.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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And with that it's obvious to see why so many people deny racism and the actions that should be taken to combat it. They think there should be no consequences. That to claim someone is attacking them and making it obvious in saying, "I'm going to tell them an African America man"....
I mean come on. This is as plain as the nose on your face. Yet excuses are made. It's sad.
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I will also add, when she says "I am going to call the police and tell them an African American man is threatening me"
She is clearly saying that with a "who do you think they are going to believe" tone. She was not saying it to him as a way to protect herself, she was saying it as a way to threaten HIM. "That a white women is going to call the police, and when they arrive, who do you think they will believe?" There wasn't an ounce of fear in this women until she gets on the phone with the police, and manufactured it herself.
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We will have to agree to disagree. She did act stupid, but he should have stayed away from her. He was staying away from her. What planet do you live on?
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We will have to agree to disagree. She did act stupid, but he should have stayed away from her. He was staying away from her. What planet do you live on? The one where women are attacked, raped, and murdered, while men make excuses for it.
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So he was quite a distance away from her and she was "so scared" she approached HIM? She walked right up to him when he was standing still at a safe distance. Yes, you're just making excuses for her behavior at this point.
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So he was quite a distance away from her and she was "so scared" she approached HIM? She walked right up to him when he was standing still at a safe distance. Yes, you're just making excuses for her behavior at this point. Not really, I did say she acted stupid. My statement was that losing her job and her dog was an overreaction. Perhaps you can learn to read?
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So he was quite a distance away from her and she was "so scared" she approached HIM? She walked right up to him when he was standing still at a safe distance. Yes, you're just making excuses for her behavior at this point. Not really, I did say she acted stupid. My statement was that losing her job and her dog was an overreaction. Perhaps you can learn to read? Your claim was that she was scared because he approached her. The video plainly shows her approaching him. But I would be backing away from those claims if I were you as well. Is her losing her job wrong? I would think that depends on if you're on the side that promotes "at will to work" laws. If so, it shouldn't be a problem. I mean what public company would want to have their name associated with a person plastered all over the news that does something like this? Remember, corporations are people too. Companies now look at everything from your social media accounts to your credit score.
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I mostly feel that people should only be fired for reasons relating to their job. Unless its a job that requires a background check.
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To a great extent we agree. I do feel there comes a point at which if a direct connection is made between an employer and one of their employees becomes so negative it has a direct negative impact on the company, that's a point they may need to take further action. Something like a boycott.
This never reached that level. I just think they were acting out of trying to get ahead of the story. It's certainly within their rights to do so.
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Threads have a way of evolving or devolving, depending upon your point of view. This one is a classic example. Some are concentrating on the aftermath. Some are talking about another incident. Gone is the talk of one man murdering another in broad daylight on a city street.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Concentrating on the idiocy and poor morals of others who are looting/rioting does not undo the terrible deed that was the genesis for this thread. A white police officer murdered a black man who was no longer a threat.
I do want to say that I support the police. They have a tough job and face a ton of abuse. I am NOT lumping them altogether. However, crimes like the one committed by this particular officer--as well as the three others w/him--should not be tolerated!
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However, crimes like the one committed by this particular officer--as well as the three others w/him--should not be tolerated! Chattanooga Police Chief agrees (as do many others)...
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Shout out to the protesters, looters, and rioters. From what I see, it’s everybody out there; white, black, and Latino citizens turning up cause they’re sick and tired of this corrupt criminal justice system and the jack booted thugs they call law enforcement.
Keep burning it down until they change how they hire and train these steroid using, wife beating, jack booted thugs, who shouldn’t even had been hired in the first place.
Everybody wants to defend good cops, yet they never seem to be around when the low lives they work with pull disgusting crap like this.
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I think the Mayor of Minneapolis (i believe) made a great speech on the matter
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I'm just glad they took that poor dog from her. Screw her and anyone that treats a dog like that.
Now back on the thread topic. Another cop murdered another black man on video. I don't agree with the looting and property damage, but I damn sure agree with the black outrage.
Certain folks fanning the flames of racism, fascism, social divides, political divides, and class divides are going to reap the whirlwind sooner rather than later.
IMHO anyone who watches that 5 minute video of this man being killed by indifferent cops and comes away without a feeling of outrage is dead inside. We are supposed to be better than this, we are not.
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I am not a black person so I have no idea how they feel about the police on a day to day basis. And I'm quite sure as with anything, there is no one size fits all to say how blacks feel about the police. I'm sure as with any group of people you have a variety of opinions.
What I can say is the opinion I have formed in watching events around this country. It appears to me, at least on the surface, is how you are treated and what type of justice you receive depends greatly on which cops show up on the scene. Sort of like flipping a coin. I find that to be extremely problematic.
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Your last point is pretty important IMO ... I’ve encountered a handful of police officers for various reasons ... some are very professional and understanding with the right approach ... and some are total jerks with a power trip.
Now, like all of us, maybe the latter group is just examples of people having “bad days” (we’ve all been there in our jobs) ... but I agree w/you
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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We mostly agree. I do feel the need to clarify something. I was not speaking for black people. I was speaking about my own personal viewpoints and opinions.
I am outraged by what I saw in that video. I think changes need to occur to help curtail similar acts in the future.
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They turned off the Minneapolis scanner this morning- Although fire and St. Paul police are still online- and another day and already protests.
Add more gas to the fire-national guard is being deployed and national rioters are on their way to Minneapolis
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Imagine coming into a thread about a man murdered by police to only post rioting.
Imagine coming into a thread to about a man murdered only to try and justify cops murdering.
These dog whistles belong at stormfront.
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You used a term that I’ve seen many have issue with on social media ... “rioters”
At what point is a “protester” a “rioter”? ... I don’t know the answer, but where’s that line?
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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You used a term that I’ve seen many have issue with on social media ... “rioters”
At what point is a “protester” a “rioter”? ... I don’t know the answer, but where’s that line? I am not talking about people protesting the unjustified act. I was talking about the fringe people supposed to be coming-anarchists and militia I did hear on the scanner both the last 2 nights that there was armed militia in Minneapolis
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Imagine coming into a thread about a man murdered by police to only post rioting.
Imagine coming into a thread to about a man murdered only to try and justify cops murdering.
These dog whistles belong at stormfront. Not sure if it was meant for me. I am only posting the cause and effect related to this event. I still can’t believe the officers haven’t been arrested yet. There is a ton of pent up rage brewing
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As has become common, there is a fringe element that routinely shows up not to protest the injustice but simply to just cause damage. Because of them, airtime is taken away from what really matters.
If the rioting and looting is part of the protest, then I know I need someone to explain how burning down Targets and tire stores and fighting the fire department when they show up is helping.
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You used a term that I’ve seen many have issue with on social media ... “rioters”
At what point is a “protester” a “rioter”? ... I don’t know the answer, but where’s that line? At or before arson enters in the equation, I would imagine.
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Seeing the videos of the looting and violence that has stemmed from the murder in MN is so shocking to watch. Yep. Dishonors the guy who was killed. You kind of forget about him.
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I am not a black person so I have no idea how they feel about the police on a day to day basis. And I'm quite sure as with anything, there is no one size fits all to say how blacks feel about the police. I'm sure as with any group of people you have a variety of opinions.
What I can say is the opinion I have formed in watching events around this country. It appears to me, at least on the surface, is how you are treated and what type of justice you receive depends greatly on which cops show up on the scene. Sort of like flipping a coin. I find that to be extremely problematic. Like you said, no one size fits all.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Shout out to the protesters, looters, and rioters. From what I see, it’s everybody out there; white, black, and Latino citizens turning up cause they’re sick and tired of this corrupt criminal justice system and the jack booted thugs they call law enforcement.
Keep burning it down until they change how they hire and train these steroid using, wife beating, jack booted thugs, who shouldn’t even had been hired in the first place.
Everybody wants to defend good cops, yet they never seem to be around when the low lives they work with pull disgusting crap like this.
Burn. It. Down. You are crazy, to put it mildly.. That only dishonors that man. I am sure Martin Luther King wouldn't be calling to burn it down. The stores, store owners, employees didn't do anything to kill that man.
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You used a term that I’ve seen many have issue with on social media ... “rioters”
At what point is a “protester” a “rioter”? ... I don’t know the answer, but where’s that line? The line is when they put down signs and stop chanting and start breaking windows with bricks.
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I am white and I am enraged by this. Can you imagine how our black community feels?
I don't cut blank checks for minorities. I get on them when they are wrong, but damn man, this is insane. Too much of this crap going on.
Maybe there is more video, but from what I saw.....that was freaking murder! I wouldn't post it..I watched it and frankly, it was horrible and disgusting to watch. As for the riot, it was bad but at least it didn't show a man being killed by a cop. by the way, while I fully understand the outrage, I don't get the need for violence like burning building and such.. Just not needed. If MLK were still with us, I think he'd have said that a peaceful protest would have served the situation better.. They were showing a redacted version of the body cam today.. just disgusting.
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I was hoping to hear from you. Should have mentioned you in my post, as your opinion would interest me. If you feel so inclined, I invite you to my inbox.
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My 2 cents. This gentleman died of positional asphyxia. It wasn't the knee on the throat that killed him, it was being forced to a prone position with no relief from the pressure on the diaphragm. I was a trained instructor in non-violent crisis intervention and have been involved in more than my share of physical restraint. The most important information they stressed in the program was to never restrain someone in the prone position, and if they end up there, get them out of it ASAP. If that's not possible, get some leverage under the shoulders to raise the shoulders/chest and get the pressure off of the diaphragm. All law enforcement officers are trained to do this as a result of the Malice Green case and others where suspects died while being restrained face down.
I have seen people turn blue within seconds of being restrained on their stomach. It used to be common practice for law enforcement to just put a knee on the back of someone in this position, and it looks like the police here were applying pressure to this man's back. I am pretty surprised that he remained conscious for as long as he did. In the hospital/ER, we are required to designate a patient advocate not involved in the crisis to monitor the patient's physical status and make sure any physical intervention is being done as safely as possible.
The police officers ignored the obvious signs that this man was in physical distress and could easily die. And what some that I have talked with seem to not want to understand.. if you are put into a position where breathing is difficult, your natural human reaction (the only reaction actually) is to twist and struggle and try to get yourself into a position where you can breathe normally... evidently that is viewed as "resisting".. He wasn't resisting arrest, he was struggling to survive, which is what any man/woman/child, black/white would do in that situation.. and he was killed for it.
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That's the problem in today's America , every thing is either Black or White figuratively and actually .. A barbaric act by in [censored] cop does not justify burning down and looting businesses . What is accomplished by those acts ? All that does is fume the flames even higher. How did the Mayors speech improve the situation ?
When I view situations : I ask myself does it bring us together as a people and Nation or push us further apart. I can only speak for myself and family ..
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Shout out to the protesters, looters, and rioters. From what I see, it’s everybody out there; white, black, and Latino citizens turning up cause they’re sick and tired of this corrupt criminal justice system and the jack booted thugs they call law enforcement.
Keep burning it down until they change how they hire and train these steroid using, wife beating, jack booted thugs, who shouldn’t even had been hired in the first place.
Everybody wants to defend good cops, yet they never seem to be around when the low lives they work with pull disgusting crap like this.
Burn. It. Down. This is wrong. I fully agree the cops involved in this incident, and any like it, should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. And people have a right to protest, peacefully, any of the events. Burning down stores, attacking others, and stealing are NOT protesting. They are arson, assault, and theft. How does destroying a Target or looting a mom and pop store have anything to do with the cops? You are hurting others and ignoring the issue at hand.
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That's the problem in today's America , every thing is either Black or White figuratively and actually .. A barbaric act by in [censored] cop does not justify burning down and looting businesses . What is accomplished by those acts ? All that does is fume the flames even higher. How did the Mayors speech improve the situation ?
When I view situations : I ask myself does it bring us together as a people and Nation or push us further apart. I can only speak for myself and family .. I personally don't agree with the rioting or looting, however I will state this.....peaceful protest have been going on in this country for decades, hell even longer - and all those peaceful protest have don't nothing but accumulated into another mans death by the hands of a police officer. Where does it end? At what point do you feel that you are being targeted by police? At what point do you fight back for your family, and others? I don't know that answer. But I will be damned if I feel its my place to tell someone when that is... To anyone that needs to hear it: I am not black, but I hear you. I am not black, but I mourn with you. I am not black, but i see the injustice that you are facing I am not black, but see the fear for your sons and daughters I am not black, but I will stand with you. Maybe, MAYBE if more white people stood too, we wouldn't have to have looting and fires for others to be heard.
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