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Wow.

I have channel 7 on in LA. Fair fax is just trashed .
They have somebody on the ground and in the air

I'd sue the [censored] out of them!

I will say this even at the risk of being unpopular.

I never say the murder of George Floyd as being racially motivated. I saw it as a policeman acting in the most unprofessional manner as possible. There is a special place in hell for him.

That said, how many times over the past years have we seen black people killed for no apparent reason? Too many in my mind, and the police walk away time after time after time after time.

This on is so obvious, so heinous, I can only compare it to Daniel Pearl. I never watched that either.

We talk about justice being blind, and I wish it was more than talk. At the end of the day I am in agreement with the black community that there is something wrong with the system that consistently comes up with the wrong output.

The rioting is terrible, but it reminds me of Vietnam. It took riots to make the governmental leaders recognize that they were responsible for these actions.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/atlanta-may...en-go-home/#app

This is what our Mayor had to say after the crime on Friday.
She was pissed and rightly so. Seems like people heard her.

Chaos.

I have never heard up in a day so many officers injured.

2 things I have never backed down on, throughout the history of Cleveland Browns message boards.

1 anthropogenic climate change
2 race relations

We can all pretend like its not an issue, take the business as usual approach. Sooner or later, we will all learn.

Omg. That's terrible. Lets just run everybody over.

J/C

Police joined to walk with protestors in Flint, Camden, and Houston.

This is what should happen. LEOs should walk with and protect protestors. Police should be fed up with their kin gunning down unarmed black men.

j/c:

'Cleveland Police chief suggests protesters who sparked violence during George Floyd demonstrations were not from here'

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2020/05/...-from-here.html

By Adam Ferrise, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams said that protesters who rioted in downtown Cleveland during demonstrations against the police killing of George Floyd are not from the Cleveland area.

“We know that a lot of the things that happened today were not [done] by people who reside in Cleveland or live in the area,” Williams said. “We’re going to do everything we can to bring people to justice who took part in the destruction in downtown today.”

Williams made the claim during an early-Sunday morning press conference he held along with Mayor Frank Jackson after an afternoon and evening that saw police and protest clash for hours.

Police cruisers were torched and several downtown businesses were vandalized, ransacked and looted. Jackson imposed a curfew, which he later extended to include most of Sunday and early Monday for the downtown area.

“There was a large group here that had no intent on being peaceful,” the chief added. “That caused all of our problems downtown.”

Similar claims of outside agitators are becoming an recurring concern of law enforcement and elected officials at protests around the country.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Waltz has suggested that as many as 80 percent of the protesters accused of burning and looting in Minneapolis, where Floyd was killed, are not from that state and are coming into the city specifically to riot and incite more violence. Social media has also become a fertile ground for videos of mostly black protesters questioning why white demonstrators are damaging property.

Williams said investigators in Cleveland will sift through surveillance and police videos in order to identify the people who incited violence and arrest them.

Police made several arrests on Saturday, but Williams said he did not know exactly how many.

He said possible charges could include rioting, vandalism and assault. He said several officers suffered minor injuries during clashes with protestors, including some who fired rocks and other objects at officers.

Even riots in Erie, PA .. which I’m shocked about witnessing.

I'm starting to think these type of people can't wait for a black guy to get killed. It justifies them stealing free stuff.

I'd think that if they really cared about George Floyd, it would be a peaceful protest.

In these shut-down states, the police need to be out issuing citations to these rioters for failing to social distance.

https://jcphotos17.smugmug.com/Protests-in-Cleveland-Ohio/

Protests in Cleveland, Ohio
Photos by Jacob Chabowski / Lakewood Observe

It plays a big role. You could see the potential for an event like this festering before the police killed George Floyd. I thought rogue elements of the people protesting the quarantine or a cutoff of benefits would set it in motion. There were a lot of people just needing a little nudge to go off.

I am in no way saying that the Floyd event doesn't warrant serious protest.

What starts out as a peaceful, warranted protest ends is anarchy, ignorance, and hate.

He had no pulse for 3 minutes. I don’t believe this

George Floyd autopsy shows no signs of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation, attributes death to 'being restrained, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system'
insider@insider.com (Sophia Ankel)
INSIDERMay 30, 2020, 10:58 AM EDT
Jim Mone/AP

A criminal complaint against former Minneapolis police officer, Derek Chauvin, shows that George Floyd was "non-responsive" for nearly three minutes before Chauvin took his knee off his neck.

The complaint also cited a preliminary autopsy report that showed there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Instead, Floyd died from a "combined effect of being restrained, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system," the autopsy revealed.

Chauvin was arrested and charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter on Friday.

Visit Insider's homepage for more stories.

George Floyd was 'non-responsive' for nearly three minutes before Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin took his knee off his neck, according to a criminal complaint released on Friday.

The complaint filed by the Hennepin County Attorney's Office also cited a preliminary autopsy report showing that there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."


Instead, the report said that it was the "combined effect of Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."Floyd was 46 when he died. He had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, according to the report.

He died during an arrest on Monday after Chauvin pinned him down. Footage of the incident shows Floyd was not resisting and telling the officer: "I can't breathe."

The family plans a second, independent autopsy.

The complaint noted that police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a "prone position is inherently dangerous."

The report was filed alongside the arrest of Chauvin, who was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter on Friday. The arrest came four days after the incident. The three other officers involved in the incident, which has sparked nationwide protests, were fired on Tuesday.

I agree ... I think the health officials probably even knew that quarantine couldnt last into late May/June ... they had a 2 month window when weather was still crappy and people could handle it to a point

Some Clevelanders are better than other Clevelanders.

No doubt ... great job by those humanitarians.

I’d also venture to guess that a lot of the violence/crime done was not by people from Cleveland, as has been the case in each city

I don't necessarily believe that narrative up to this point.

So because cops four cops are responsible for the death of a black man in Minneapolis burning down Popeyes is the answer? "No ore chicken sandwich for you!" Burning Target is the answer?

Because one stupid woman makes a false 911 call on a black man in central park, you think that justifies looting local business people in N.Y. City?

There is no excuse for looting and arson towards the business people of a community for the actions of a few in those cities. Soon those business people will become sick of it. They will arm themselves to protect their businesses. They should. Then I'll get to hear you make excuses why it's their fault they didn't sit idly by and allow criminals to destroy everything they worked for.

Those business people have the right to arm themselves and protect their businesses. I would if it were me. It would be like entering a roach motel. You can get in but you won't come out.

Here in Nashville last night, they went down Broadway and destroyed many of the bars there. These people have had their businesses closed for months now. They are just beginning to open up with many restrictions. Some have their entire life tied up in those places and are hurting badly due to the virus. Yes, if I owned one of them and someone came in to loot my business, they wouldn't be walking out.

Nothing about Antifa there at all that I heard or seen. We know BLM is involved in organizing the protests... But random labels of 'Antifa' might help propagate some more hate for the anti-fascist movement. Now I wonder who would not want to see 'anti fascisim'? Maybe the guy pimping his ANTIFA bashing book?

https://www.amazon.com/Unmasked-Antifas-Radical-Destroy-Democracy/dp/154605958X

j/c:

I don't know about the rest of you, but I stayed home last night. At 54? I think I'm a little too old to participate in anarchy.

Well, now there are protests in my suburb about 5 miles from my house.

It pisses me off and scares me.

They better not wreck my town. These businesses took a long time to open up and better not burn down. Its a historic area and not replaceable.

And they better stay away from the neighborhoods.

I am getting my guns out and its scaring me.

Only an idiot would think any one spark ignited these protests and riots. This is an accumulation of years and years of not being listened to when pleas for change have been made time and time again. I don't condone the damage, but I understand it. Apparently I'm not the only one:

A Note From Brian Cornell to Our Teams and Communities in the Twin Cities and Beyond

We are a community in pain. That pain is not unique to the Twin Cities—it extends across America. The murder of George Floyd has unleashed the pent-up pain of years, as have the killings of Ahmaud Arbery and Breonna Taylor. We say their names and hold a too-long list of others in our hearts. As a Target team, we’ve huddled, we’ve consoled, we’ve witnessed horrific scenes similar to what’s playing out now and wept that not enough is changing. And as a team we’ve vowed to face pain with purpose.

Every day, our team wakes up ready to help all families—and on the hardest days we cling even more dearly to that purpose. As I write this, our merchant and distribution teams are preparing truckloads of first aid equipment and medicine, bottled water, baby formula, diapers and other essentials, to help ensure that no one within the areas of heaviest damage and demonstration is cut off from needed supplies.

Our store and HR teams are working with all of our displaced team members, including the more than 200 team members from our Lake Street store in Minneapolis. We will make sure they have their full pay and benefits in the coming weeks, as well as access to other resources and opportunities within Target. We’ll continue to invest in this vibrant crossroads of the Seward, Longfellow, Phillips and Powderhorn communities, preserving jobs and economic opportunity by rebuilding and bringing back the store that has served as a community resource since 1976. In any of our other locations that are damaged or at risk, the safety and well-being of our team, guests and the surrounding community will continue to be our paramount priority.

It’s hard to see now, but the day will come for healing—and our team will join our hearts, hands and resources in that journey. Even now, Target leaders are assembling community members, partners and local officials to help identify what more we can do together and what resources are required to help families, starting right here in Minnesota.

Since we opened our doors, Target has operated with love and opportunity for all. And in that spirit, we commit to contributing to a city and community that will turn the pain we’re all experiencing into better days for everyone.

signature of Brian Cornell


(pic missing)

Brian Cornell
Chairman and CEO

^ Ceo of Target.

https://corporate.target.com/article/2020/05/supporting-communities-minnesota-beyond

Apparently, even the corporations get it, not that they are good with it, but they get it.

Add to that the fact that there seems to be a nefarious element, imho radical right wingers, coming into these protest intent on causing destruction under the cover of being protestors and laying the blame at the feet of BLM and ANTIFA. I wonder who they could be? smh

These people and their anti racism protest sure are generating the racism... thugs out looting... do you hear what that sounds like?

The whole situation is tragic. A man lost his life needlessly, and those responsible need to be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

I feel like I do a good job trying to put myself in other people's shoes, trying to see why they act the way the do, and giving them the benefit of the doubt - my wife actually gets mad at me a lot because she feels like I take everyone's side but her's when she is venting to me, but I'm just trying to get her to see the other side of the argument.

It's hard for me to do that in situations like this, because I will never really know what it is like to be black in the USA. I feel like I can put my place in the shoes of police officers - it is a tough job. As much as black people say they fear the cops, a cop is more 5 times more likely to be killed in the line of duty (feloniously) than an black male is to be killed by the cops each year (this is based on my calculations - you can check them, but I was very conservative in my numbers...it's actually probably more like 6-7 times more likely). Are they allowed to be afraid too?

Now, I am not saying that applies to this case, as I did not see any fear in that man's eyes....only malice. I believe most cops are good and not racist (this has been backed-up by peer-reviewed data suggesting that white cops are not any more likely to shoot a black man than a black cop would be) but just like any profession, there ARE bad cops too. Those are the ones that need removed, and all people need to stop covering for them. Anytime you hear something racist, we need to let that person know it is not acceptable. However, the bigger injustice is the justice system being rigged against the poor and minorities, not racist cops. That point is extremely important!

Understanding the reaction to this tradgedy is much harder for me - I struggle with it. As I said, I will probably never understand. I understand the pain and anger, but I don't understand looting and vandalism. I understand the need to have others stand in solidarity with you and have your back, but I don't understand the need to yell at random white people that they are racist. I understand the need to have your voice heard, but, a lot of the time, I don't understand what the message is, and how it will help.

I keep hearing phrases like "all whites are privileged" and "cops are racist." I hear this in all walks of life anymore, especially in politics: "all Democrats and liberals hate America" and "all Republicans are racist."

People keep wanting to put others into groups and make very generalized statements, and this is especially true for the media. The only way we can get over these issues is if we start viewing each other as individuals and not lumping people together in groups. This goes for both sides, and both political parties. Many people fail to grasp this point, and it leads to their outlook on society to be EXTREMELY warped. We all have a lot more in common with our "enemies" than we realize. The country isn't as divided as we see in the media. Once we start viewing people as individuals again, it is a lot easier to show compassion, empthy, and love. Understand the differences, and understand how they make us stronger as a group. Respect for the individual.

This was an egregious, racist act, but it was committed by 4 bad cops. This was not done by "all cops."

Now, that does not mean we can sweep everything under the rug. There is a problem in this country (and not just this country, but around the world), and black lives DO matter.

So....what can we do? This one is hard, because there is no easy answer.

You can't just have black people going around calling white person they see a racist. That gets us nowhere, and probably actually does more harm than good. The message won't be well received, and will mostly fall on deaf ears.

This is where white people can help the most: we need to police other white people. We need to have a concentrated media campaign telling white people to denounce anything racist that they hear or see from other white people; that means you too Trump. I think a lot of people are afraid to speak up when they hear something racist, but we need a campaign and education to help people get over that fear and stigma. And I think we are getting there, but it takes time. And I know people are tired of waiting.

Other things that need done:

Mandatory body cameras for all law enforcement personnel. This is a no-brainer.

Consistent sentencing for all racial and income-level groups, and an outside review to make sure this is being done. This is a hard one to put into practice, however.

Compassion for EVERYONE with drug problems, and help for those who are addicted and those with mental health problems.

We really need leaders on both sides to stand-up and bring us together; leaders that will get us to stop seeing each other as groups, and start seeing each other as individuals. No one can dispute the fact that both Obama and Trump have failed at that. They have both divided the country even more. We have never been more partisan.

And finally, we need to pray for our country.

The "movement" as you call it are generating the hate themselves with or without any outside help. Don't play the victim when you become the criminal element yourself. Crimes against your own is supposed to be what you are protesting. Committing crimes against those who had nothing to do with any of that only makes those who do it hypocrites. This has only harmed the cause, not helped it. They are self inflicted wounds and they have opened themselves up for what is to come.

They just played right into the hands of the very people who perpetuate the problems they are against.

Protect yourself Eve and don't stand by and let people destroy your home and your neighborhood. I support you.

Stop w/ the Antifa isn't involved.

I don't care who is making excuses for it. I quoted you...…

Do I understand the anger? Yes I do. In your own words I quoted above, you certainly are condoning those places be destroyed. Don't back down now from what you said.

There is a systemic problem and I have railed against it myself. But what is going on now is no different. They are punishing the innocent. There is no excuse for it and your words that I just quoted are disgusting.

As Carl Sagan once said “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

Law Enforcement, FBI, and different city officials have proven links to white supremacy in these crowds. There has been no such proof of your boogeyman, yet.

Please provide evidence that backs your claim.

The problem seems to be that you don't see what it looks like. Maybe you should be understanding that the actions we are seeing on the streets of America feed into what they're saying. The term, "You are your own worst enemy" certainly applies here.

I found out its a planned march/protest and the police are supporting them. They have a permit. So hopefully all hell wont break loose.