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Pollak: What ‘Charlamagne tha God’ Revealed to Rush Limbaugh About ‘White Privilege’
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JOEL B. POLLAK2 Jun 2020129
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Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh reached out last weekend to “Charlamagne tha God,” the host of The Breakfast Club, one of the most influential radio programs among African Americans, to discuss ongoing unrest.

Rush sought to understand the views of black Americans as protests raged in the wake of the death last week of George Floyd at the hand of police in Minneapolis. Their discussion, which aired on Monday, was deeply illuminating.


Much of the time, the two were talking past one another. For Charlamagne and his co-hosts, America is deeply troubled by racism and “white supremacy.” For Limbaugh, America today allows anyone to achieve their dreams.

There was one moment that encapsulated the entire problem — and explained the fact that many white, well-off Americans seem to be deeply involved in leading and fomenting the violence that has marred the Floyd protests.

It came after Limbaugh asked Charlamagne how he proposed to solve the problem of racism. Charlamagne said that was not his question to answer: rather, it was Limbaugh who, as a white man, had to undo “white privilege.”

The transcript, from RushLimbaugh,com:

RUSH: How do you stop it? (crosstalk)

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: I have a question for you. I want to know. How are you gonna use your privilege as a white male to combat this prejudice. You got a direct line to Donald Trump. (crosstalk)

RUSH: No, wait a minute, I don’t buy into the notion of white privilege. See, I think that’s a liberal —

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: You’re being —

RUSH: That’s a liberal — (crosstalk)

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: You’re being delusional.

RUSH: — political construct right along the lines of political correctness. It’s designed to intimidate and get people to shut up and admit they’re guilty of doing things they haven’t done. I don’t have any white privilege — (crosstalk)

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: Do you know what white privilege is? White privilege is that what happened to George Floyd would not have happened to a white man.

RUSH: If what happened to George Floyd had happened to a white man we probably wouldn’t have even heard about it.

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: Huh?

The pause lasted more than four seconds, as Charlamagne and his colleagues were caught by surprise.

Of course there have been white victims: Tony Timpa, for example, died in the custody of Dallas police in 2016. But his death did not provoke riots or become a national cause — nor did anyone take it as evidence of the conduct of police in general.

Charlamagne had not considered the problem from that angle. But what was even more revealing was that he was unwilling to discuss solutions to racism unless they involved Rush Limbaugh committing to ending “white privilege.”

In other words, Charlamagne gave power over his life, over black America itself, to a white man.

Many black leaders — including radical ones — recognized the folly of that approach. Malcolm X, for one, preached the importance of black self-reliance. So, too, did Steve Biko, the leader of South Africa’s Black Consciousness movement. (He, too, was killed in police custody in 1977, and is remembered and celebrated today by South Africans of all races.)

Placing “white privilege” at the center of the problem also places white people in the leading role.

With that in mind, it suddenly becomes clear why so many young white Americans have been drawn to radicalism: not just because they have been indoctrinated by their elite colleges or by Hollywood, but also because in a world where “white privilege” is the decisive issue, they can be the leaders. Ironically, “white privilege,” as an idea, gives whites more power.

It has been inspiring to watch examples of idealistic black activists disarming white Antifa rioters handing out bricks, or stripping masked white kids of the spray paint cans they intended to use to vandalize buildings during the protests.

But it has also been disturbing to note that there are few black leaders to whom the movement, or the country, can turn for guidance. Few trust Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, for instance.

The most important voices of a new generation claim “white privilege” is the central focus. That may be comforting, since it shifts the burden.

But it is also crippling, and it simply reaffirms a racist hierarchy that Charlamagne tha God and Rush Limbaugh each, in their own way, abhors.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020...hite-privilege/

Man who believes Muslim no-go zones in UK exists posts article that denies white privilege is a thing.

News at 11.

You obviously didn't read the article.

It is a valid point that it wouldn't have even been a news story if the victim had been white. That much is very true. The racial divide sells.

If a white man had begged for his life for 8 or 10 minutes because he couldn't breathe, and murdered by a cop and it had been caught on camera with 4 accomplices standing around doing nothing.... you think in your heart of hearts it wouldn't have been news?

As for White Privilege ... it's a verifiable, proven FACT of life in the USA. To deny it you have to be willfully ignorant.

No, I did.

Basically it's "white privilege only exists if you think it exists, and black people hurt themselves by giving power to white people thinking white privilege exists."

Which is essentially gaslighting by Breitbart.

And incase if you're unfamiliar with the term

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And to Prp,

Feel free to show more instances of this!

I think that it is also a valid point that white person would not been murdered by the police for the same offense.

Most likely very true.
I won't agree 100%, however, because white people do get wrongfully killed by cops, too. But, mostly very much on point.

The risk of a black man being killed by a police officer is about 2.5 times higher than that of a white man. There are a ton of stats out there all showing essentially the same numbers. If police officers killed 2.5 times the white men they do now, I'm sure it'd be front page news.

Actually, more whites are killed by police than blacks every year.

Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2020, by race
2017 2018 2019 2020*
White 457 399 370 42
Black 223 209 235 31
Hispan 179 148 158 13
Other 44 36 39 3
Unknown 84 204 202 139
Showing entries 1 to 5 (5 entries in total)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Now, I know the first reply is that a larger percentage of blacks are killed per capita. Blacks have remained roughly 13% of the population since the Civil War, so the numbers do looked skewed when looked at by percentage. I do not have an answer for that. Just presenting numbers.

You know what per capita means, right?

This is the point. A disproportionate number of unarmed black Americans are gunned down by police.

In the first thread on what happened in Minnesota, I linked the study and statistics to Knight of Brown. Please consult that thread.

The number should be computed based on 'confrontations/interactions' with police. The numbers based on per capita do not give a good comparison. Now, if a black person is killed on every 5th interaction with a cop compared to every 10th by a white, I'd say you have better numbers to prove a point.

So facts don’t work when they don’t suit your narrative. Then again, I should know this based on your whole “BUT MUSLIM NO GO ZONES IN THE UK” posts during the Obama admin.

I will also state that I do not like the term white privilege, as I think that it is not an accurate characterization.

It is more deference than privilege. That is a white person is given the benefit of the doubt in these circumstance.

I'm glad I'm on here. As a white, male, christian, I never realized what a pos I was/am.

The issue is that statistically, factually, undeniably, race determines so much in this country. Calling it "White Deference" might make it more palatable to you but does it really relay what is happening.

As for Arch and others - do they know what White Privilege actually means and why it is a fact in this country? Or do they think it means that somewhere in their life they were supposed to be given a silver spoon and a lump sum of money ... and because they haven't been "given" something, then this must be some sort of left wing conspiracy theory?

I'll see your post and raise you a question. I really don't think I know what 'white privilege' means, and I DEFINITELY don't know within the context of addressing the racial divide.
The way I understand white privilege is that because I'm white (and male on top of that), and for no other reason beyond that, I start off at an advantage in terms of how other people see me and my skin due to their inherent biases.
But (with my limited understanding) the whole white privilege conversation falls apart after that. I benefit from white privilege because of others' biases towards skin color. So to put the responsibility on me for undoing that just doesn't seem very effective. Maybe in the Breitbart article, the dude talking to Rush was specifically speaking to Rush as the person that needs to work against white privilege because he holds a ton of sway. If he was speaking to Rush just as a regular ol' white dude, then I don't really understand putting the onus on him.

I will say that I know what Food Stamps are, WIC, sitting with parents at a welfare office, and government surplus foods. It was a long time ago.

I never thought of my self as being privileged in any sort of fashion, and earned my way out to a different world.

To me, the simplest explanation in when two people of different races are presented with a obstacle/opportunity there chips fall towards that white person.


There are many other types of bias... male/female tattoo's etc. etc. white is only one of them. Some more obvious than others.

And I will say this as well, going around calling people Karen's does not help.

White privilege is the white majority judging minority communities as a whole, while simultaneously demanding that they be judged as individuals.

Well then, if that's the case then I'm 'good' because I don't do that, right?

Not necessarily.

So much comes from that statement, such as how the criminal justice system works, racial bias in any professions (from law enforcement to corporate ladders), to buying a house in certain neighborhoods.

Just because you might not particularly support those things happening in our society doesn’t mean you don’t benefit from the system.

for example, lets say you and i get popped for the same crime, and both have similar background records. for now we will say both of us have a clean record. regardless of the similarities, i as a minority am still far more likely to get convicted and/or jailed than you are, despite committing the same crime for the same offense.

now, you can totally think its wrong, and thats great. but it doesnt change the FACT that you benefit from the system and i dont.

another example. women get paid less than men, even with the same job experience than their male counterparts, on average.

even if i say that its wrong and should be changed, it doesnt change the fact that i still benefit in pay more than the average woman does.

simply acknowledging the wrong isnt enough. if you acknowledge the wrong, yet dont VOTE in support of candidates that will fight to change the system, then all you are providing is lip service, nothing more.

and by ONLY providing lip service, that sends the message that while yes, you DIDNT have anything to do with slavery, or jim crow, or anything else dealing with minorities, you're not willing to change the system that makes your minority counterparts equal to your status.

you might not like the system, but you do like the perks.

I think my hangup has more to do with the next step. I'm not the one you need to convince.

There was a time when I would argue existence of said perks, but that was years of life experience ago. As such, I would gladly argue/vote to have everyone enjoy the same 'perks' (I hate using that word as a stand in for 'basic human and/or citizen rights/privileges, but it's the word we landed on, so...) as I do. And I do.

So if I'm voting and working within my sphere of influence against WP, knowing full well that I'm not (to my knowledge) perpetuating it, then why do I still have people in my face telling me this is my problem to solve? A lot of the dialogue being hurled in my direction (as I see it) is along the lines of

white person --> white privilege --> bad

j/c -

My understanding of White Privilege is based on an NPR segment from 2 or 3 years ago. A good 30 minutes with a lot of contributions from different people. There was a professor from somewhere or other that explained things best to me, or what she said resonated.... In a couple sentences I will try to exaplain.

WP has nothing to do with what white people are given, or whether individually they react differently to minorities or have racial prejudices....

I guess let's start with an agreement that minorities of any color aren't inherently more likely to be criminals, or lazy, or fat or whatever, based on the color of their skin. Skin color doesn't pre-determine a trend or character attribute.

Next you can look at any slice of US society - criminal elements, welfare elements, middle class, upper class ... the same statistical trend is proven: .... that is that if you compare a white person to a black person, with the same background, same education, same grades, same social setting (one parent, two parent, rental housing, section 8 housing, own a home etc) ... you take the essentially the SAME person and compare but one is black and one is white --- the AVERAGE shows that the Black person: achieves less, earns less, is incarcerated longer (for the same crime or crimes).

So when someone white rails against 'White privilege' and insists they weren't ever given anything, they never got a leg up ... that they worked damn hard for what they got. . . . White Privilege isn't saying they got a freebie. It's saying that for a black person to achieve the same - statistically they would have had to work harder, had better grades, been with a company longer. What ever the grind was to get that person that success - to get the same, the grind would have been longer/harder for a black person.

I hope that makes sense. The professor on NPR had a host of facts to back up this position.

the same reason that despite me not being a drug dealer, i still got pulled over repeatedly by oklahoma cops and searched for drugs.

it be like that sometimes.

but, even if im getting the hardcore feminist yelling at me on social media because of the patriarchy, despite supporting most/all of their policy stances, its not gonna make me NOT support equal rights for women.

yea, i dont like getting yelled at for no reason, either. but oh well. im not gonna let somebody's passion/anger dissuade me from my own political stances on the topic.

i mean, this:

white person --> white privilege --> bad

________

yea, like black dude --- > nice ride ---> drug dealer.

you got a small taste of what its like to be a minority. automatically assumed you're trash just because of your skin tone.

nice to meet you bro, take a seat over there next to all your minority counterparts.

That's fair. I'm sitting.


Also, I write out my posts a sentence or two at a time while I'm working, which makes it easy for me to lose track of what I'm trying to say. That post wasn't originally intended to just be me whining.

The intention was, what's the point about railing on WP when the only people that will listen are the people that already understand? I'm either still missing something, or the approach isn't going to be effective at all.

i think its a matter of perspective.

it probably seems like people are railing on you when in reality, its only because you're actually listening. its basically the "if the shoe fits" approach.

there are a whole bunch of people in this country who arent, thus the message constantly gets spin into "what about" and trap questions/rhetoric.

put it to you like this: you ever been in a party or group of people, you all start having a discussion, and when it gets heated, some people just tune out and different convos start happening amongst the same group of people? well, the guy trying to make the point isnt being listened to by the majority of the group....except you. so then he's looking at you simply because you're the only one paying attention, while everyone else is still having their own convo.

And on top of that, this is the part that really makes WP uncomfortable to acknowledge:

A lot of things in this country doesn’t happen without white peoples approval. And far too often a minorities opinion on something gets ignored while a white persons similar opinion leads to more credibility, or at the very least, more national debate.

So people will try to get guys like you to be an ally and help spread the message. Not a savior, just an ally.

And that’s been the biggest issue. Getting you guts to also have that tough convo amongst your own group/community.

The concept of white privilege can be counter-pointed by all the employment and workplace affirmative action initiates.

Yes it is possible to believe that you would be excluded based on the fact that you are not a female or minority. This is really workplace related, not necessarily law enforcement related.

Why would you post something as stupid as this? Nothing you posted was even suggested.

White privilege: It is not just that I can drive somewhere without fear of being pulled over (obviously, unless I was doing something wrong). It's that I have a better chance of being treated fairly.

White privilege is not that I have a better chance of getting a job - it's that I get an interview.

Many other examples, but it goes much deeper, much further back. I'll try to relate an example I read last week.

Guy was in his 50's. He was basically saying how he benefited from white privilege. Jobs, and no, not his. He spoke about his dad being able to go to college, get a job, and get the opportunity to move up at Firestone. To get an even better job, and a job that no black or brown people could've even interviewed for.

That better job allowed his parents to be financially secure, more so than people of color were.

But he went further. Spoke about his grandpa, how HE, with only a h.s. education, was able to get a good job that people of color were never even considered for, and how he moved up the ladder so to speak, to be able to afford college. (this would've been in the late 20's or 30's).

While not wealthy, they could live in nicer areas.

While not wealthy, each of them was afforded a job, that became a good paying job, which afforded their kids opportunities that people of color didn't have.

That is white privilege, as I see it.

Now, in my OPINION, laws have been enacted, and enforced, to help repeal white privilege, be it in the work force, or just going to college. Is it enough? I don't know.

There absolutely is still a bias against people of color in the work force, no doubt. On the same hand, minority businesses get some breaks that other companies don't get. Does that even things out? No.

Change takes time, and while it's been a long time, things - I feel - are getting better, Floyd not included, as well as the other victims of .....I don't know how to say it. Garner, the kid in Florida, and many others ...

J\C
Hillary ,Biden, Bill , Comey ,Pelosi, Schumer and plenty more libs = White privilege
Barry = privileged

Oh really. It's a proven fact, I am ignorant?..... WOW I hope your not always this wrong.

I have applied for two different jobs over the years that I didn't get. In both cases I lost out on the job to a person of color. Did I ever cry about it???? NO. Did I think I was discriminated against because I didn't get the job... NO.

Please tell me how I had white privilege, and that it was verifiable , and a proven fact. Come on I will be waiting for you to show just how willfully ignorant I was/am.

So you lost out on a job application so White Privilege cannot exist? Got it ! Maybe read the longer post that explains what WP is - and that it's backed up by fact.

Oh I believe that it does exist for some racist buttholes. I don't believe it exists for the other 90 percent of us. Do I believe white privilage exists...yes. Do I believe it exists with more than 10 percent of the population.. NO.

There are racists both black, and white in this country. They all make me sick. I can not understand why they are the way that they are. WE agree that there are way to many racists in this country,and that they are some sick puppies. I lay the blame on their grandparents and parents for teaching their kids that way.

There are definitely racists of all color - there's reverse racism ... all kinds of crazy stuff.

White privilege is different. Or least ways it appears that way to me - and my longer post explains ... and even with that being the big picture I bet there are all kinds of examples of instances where the boot is on the other foot because of an owner or a relationship an employer may have ... but it doesn't change what is overall a very specific, traceable trend.