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Again...I provided examples of what actually has happened. You provide words around your hurtful feelings over the words of others - and your interpretation of those words.

I still do not see it as wrong because they were violent protesters. They set fire to the church, Lincoln's Memorial, and the Vietnam Wall. That is not peaceful protest. That is rioting. Looters, Rioters, and Arsonist have coming to them what ever they get. I am sorry they ruined what was a great cause but they did so now they are lumped together.

What stand am I supposed to take? I don't have an issue with what he did.

I'm asking Christians to show me how they feel and where their faith stands. Do they stand with a man or do they stand by the values of Christ?

It shouldn't be that hard.

My Faith stands against Rioting, Looting, and the burning of peoples places of worship and business.

Yours?

As an agnostic, I stand against these things too.

So once again, how were the actions of Trump clearing out a peaceful protest in Lafayette Park Christlike?

As another poster already stated, the head of that church quickly and aggressively responded. Beyond that, what did you really expect other than the usual suspects doing what they usually do?

A hypocritical and low-class person did something that was hypocritical and low-class. It's not hard (actually extremely simple). I don't see why we need to break it down at all.

It's not hard at all...a person can do both...and differently at other times based on the circumstances being looked at.

He's the POTUS...the secret service must make sure he is safe. The church is within walking distance of the White House. There have been protests and violence in the area. I don't see what you are driving at here.

Are you suggesting that he should stay inside and not go to the church? Where are HIS rights?

None of those things were taking place when the peaceful protestors were in Washington D.C. as tear gas and flash bangs were being dispersed upon them for Trump's photo op.

Again they were not peaceful. Do I have to list the damages those same people caused.

He wasn't "going to Church". Now you're trying to claim religious freedom?

That is a lie. Yesterday, when this happened, it was most certainly a peaceful protest.

So...the head of the church - or any location that the POTUS visits - should be approved by someone before he goes there?

Most all of my Catholic friends are not very happy with the present Pope...that doesn't make them non-believers.

I understand why people don't like Trump. But the things people claim he is doing can be quite over-the-top.

At this point in time the peaceful protest has been hijacked by others and they all must be lumped together now. I would not call any protesters at this point in time peaceful. They are all now complaisant. They know what is going on.

No, that is not what I am claiming at all. You missed the part I've now bolded above. Also, I said "going to THE church". As in visiting a location that has a name. I did NOT say that he was going TO church...as one says on their way to worship.

I'll re-state the point here:


Are you suggesting that he should stay inside and not go to another location? Where are HIS rights?

You are obviously trying to muddy the waters here. Let me give you a clue. During the night time it's dark. During the daytime it's light.

Your idea is to punish those whom have done nothing wrong for the acts of others. that's a very Trumpian way of looking at things.

A protest is not a riot. A riot is not a protest.

It's easy to see what people are driving at if only you would open your eyes.

People have the right to peacefully protest. That's what people were doing yesterday when this all happened. It's odd that Republicans always stand on the constitution until Trump steps on the constitution. Then all they do is make excuses for it.

Where is he saying that? He's actually posting AGAINST that very thing (ie rioting & looting).




How so? Where is Trump looking to punish those who have done nothing wrong? If you are focusing on his trip to THE church - where there has been significant violence - he as POTUS has every right to have the area cleared out.

Why do you keep skipping the part about those protesters being requested and then warned 3 times to move down the street before they were forcefully moved?

Doesn't fit the agenda?

What I see is people trying to make claims about things that don't exist...or to feign outrage over a difference of opinion.

I also see people unable to discuss things that have actually happened...and focus on some absurdity that they see - and in their opinion - that others do not.

I also see posters calmly making their points and another attacking the poster with whom they disagree.

The protests are turning into riots. Same people.

On topic:

I am disgusted by the actions of those police officers. That simply should not happen in this country. I am thankful that we have the right to peacefully protest. My Mom grew up in Germany during WW2. She knows what it's like to live in that world. Her stories are/were not lost on me.

I am disgusted that the 'bad actors' - whomever they may be - have grabbed this moment to create havoc. It is anti-productive...and the time has now come for the government to maintain order.

I hope that something can be gained from the peaceful protests and that the 'bad actors' in this moment do not over-shadow the improvements that we need in this country.

I agree with Willie.

If this rioting and destruction go on too much longer, I think Trump will have no choice but to call in the military. Once that happens, its not going to be good. If he invokes the Insurrection Act of 1807 he is essentially authorizing the military to use ALL measures of force even up to lethal force to bring order back to these cities.

These protestors are vastly mistaken if they think the military is on their side. the majority of the military see these people as thugs and criminals...the fact they defaced a bunch of Memorial War Monuments...the military isn't happy. they took an oath to defend the Constitution from all threats both foreign and domestic...these rioters are a domestic threat to our Constitution.

It would be one thing if the government was trying to take away your 2nd amendment rights, abolish parts of our Constitution, etc...they would probably support that cause, but they are not going to support this.

We can get justice for Blacks and Floyd without destroying peoples lives, and business, things they worked their entire life to get destroyed is just as much of an injustice as racism is...

If the military gets called in, folks are going to be in for a rude awakening if you think they are going to be on the protesters side.

Im a combat vet and I’m not upset at all.

I’m more upset at people like you, though.

Sad to hear that.

Thank you for your service.

the majority of the military see these people as family, friends, and neighbors. At least half the military is black or brown.


I absolutely do NOT support the use of the Insurrection Act, nor any action by any Federal forces. Leave this to the Governors and Mayors.
The Citrus in Chief just needs to learn how to show some compassion and leadership, but unfortunately that isn't going to happen.

Fair enough, and I would hope our military, if called up, has restraint to not resort to shooting people. They would hopefully use more acceptable methods, non-lethal, to calm things down.

the last thing I want to see is the same ugly business that happened with Katrina...that was truly awful and i'll never forget it.

Anyways, I pray everyone remains safe and their property and houses are spared.

At the end of the day we gotta work together if we want to have any hope of a future, and Blacks as well as all people deserve to be treated fairly by all aspects of our society and we should not settle for less than that.

That's because you worship Trump.

Bunker boy is your President. He has never been mine. He makes that known almost every damn time he opens his mouth. He is president for his supporters only.

Rocket, Trump's attempts to seem religious are just part of his con. Why wouldn't he use the church and bible to promote himself? That's all he does, use crap/people/situations to promote himself. FAKE PRESIDENT.

If he tries to use the military across the country, there may be a real coup. The military leaders that still have their dignity may not take those orders as lawful, in fact they may then see Trump as a domestic threat to the union forcing them to protect America from him. There are valid reasons we do not allow the America Armed forces to be turned on American citizens by politicians.

If you want non-lethal, you do not call the military.
At no point, ever, are you trained to not kill with your weapon. That isn't what they do. It isn't what they exist for.

My faith stands against kneeling on someone's neck until they asphyxiate.

So does mine, as well as the laws of this country. Problem is, it's over. It happened - that act, that is.

That ex officer is now sitting in a jail cell. More than likely years/decades in prison.

Does your faith endorse clearing of peaceful protestors with horses, batons, flash bangs, and smoke grenades so someone can walk over to use The Bible as a prop at a photo op of a church they don't attend?

Just stop being like you are for a minute.

MY faith has nothing to do with it. The Secret Service DOES though.

Edited to add this: Why, when a President goes somewhere, does the secret service do what they do? To protect the President, be he black or white, republican or democrat. Roads get blocked off, etc, etc.


Peaceful protests are allowed. The authorities are also allowed to move said peaceful protesters in some situations.

What does YOUR faith say? What do the LAWS say? Quit acting like this is some 'gotcha' moment. I would bet mayors, and governors ALL get the same.

Maybe you are missing his point? Trump was trying to use a Church and bible as nothing more than a prop.... he didn't need to go where he went, he didn't achieve anything, he didn't contribute to resolving anything or heal anything, he didnt reduce the divide in any way by what he did. . . . He just created a little snapshot to appeal to his religious base. . . . to your point - YES, the secret service is going to remove any potential threat to POTUS when he goes somewhere .... that doesn't address the issue of what and why this happened.