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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews...hem-remarks.amp

I couldn’t copy and paste the article with all the quotes.

Tone deaf and ignorant star QB of a league that won’t allow protest without consequences.

News at 11.

We have reached the point where white people are not allowed to express their opinions w/out being called out. Meanwhile, criminals are still playing in the NFL.

So sick and ignorant. Your acting just like those you bitch about.

I strongly urge everyone to look up what Malcolm Jenkins said in response.

I'd link it here but there's some profanity.

j/c:

I have shared this story before, but it bears repeating right now. I was teaching 5th grade here in Columbia. At the end of the year, the 5th graders were sent off w/this pompous promotion ceremony where we rented a hall, recognized each student, and handed out awards for things like Perfect Attendance, All A's, Honor Roll, Merit Roll, Most Improved, Citizenship, etc, etc.

The administration had strict guidelines on the number of blacks that must be represented. It didn't matter if they earned it or not, we needed a certain number of blacks to receive the awards.

We had a decent amount of Hispanics at that school and I asked my Principle why we didn't have a set number of Hispanics being given the high awards. I said, maybe we could just include one Hispanic? She replied: "They don't complain and raise hell, so we don't need to."

And there you have it. It isn't about what is right or wrong. Fair or unfair. It's about who screams the loudest. And man, black people scream loud. Meanwhile, Hispanics, Native Americans, Arabic people are treated worse and no one gives a damn!

There are so many of us that have helped, are helping, and want to continue to help........but, it seems like that is being under appreciated and a lot of fingers are being pointed in the wrong direction. It seems like a lot of this movement is self-serving and not really about the fair and equitable treatment of ALL PEOPLE, but instead, I'm going to get mines when I can.

That strategy might work for some short-term gains, but will fail in the long run. Along w/thousands and thousands of others, I've spent countless hours through multiple decades trying to educate folks on how to gain rights and have seen so many folks succeed. And crap like this comes along and undoes all the good that so many have worked so hard for.

You replied immediately. Great job of putting some thought into the entire message. Shout me down. Once again, you are the very same person you despise. You just have opposite ideologies.

Lol Jesus, we still got guys thinking it’s about the flag and the military.

Glad Aaron Rodgers responded. Always like Rodgers more anyway.

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Vers. look, I know your heart is in the right place and you are trying to make a valid point about other minority groups. So I'm not bashing you here just clarifying some fine points for you...

First, nobody is silencing white people. If you feel shouted down or silenced, it's because you face opposition to your positions. I'm white and I find it very easy to say what's on my mind all day every and NOBODY silences me or tries... well ocasionally other white dudes try. So imho this line is pure BS.

Second, you ARE raising a valid point about other minorities suffering from the same kinds of issues that the black community suffers from. What you don't get is that BLM and these marches encompasses them as well. I've heard plenty of talk about black and brown, POC, minority communities during these protests.

Third, Rocket's highlight of that one line is spot on. You are saying things that even though you may mean well, which I think you do, they just don't come out of your head into posts very well. That line sounds bigoted as hell, most of your post did and I don't think you are a bigot.

This thread is about Brees, and it is plain to me that he doesn't get it. Unfortunately, I don't think you 100% get it either. It's hard for white people to understand what living life like prey feels like. It's hard for white people to understand what being treated as less than human feels like. Sure white people can cry about living in the same tough times or having to do a little more policing of their speech to not come across as bigots, or their misinterpretation of Kaep's protest... but at the end of the day, you will wake up white tomorrow and that gives you a huge advantage in this country over those that won't. Kaep's point is spot on, the protesters are right, and what whites who feel a little put out by the way things are happening, or the violence, riots, etc. need to do is to listen. You have a right to you opinions, but if they are or have been used to silence the more important message of black dying in the streets due to systemic racism, then they are simply unwanted right now, during this immediate moment in time. There will time for them in the next few weeks when the protests have ended and the healing begins.

I hope this helps.

If its not about America and the Flag why do they do it during the Anthem?

To get your attention... see how it worked?

j/c...

Why Colin did what he did.

And these lyrics that end the verse we sing.


Per capita, black Americans are gunned down by officers more than white Americans. This means when taken into account for the population of Americans, black Americans are more likely to be killed while unarmed while white Americans aren't as likely.

This is why players have taken a knee during the anthem as that line says we're all free, and it is a brave thing to protest injustice.

The statistics, truth, and stories from minority members of this board should give you enough information to show why people kneel.

Please listen to those which this impacts the most.

Good.

I hope LeBron kneels when and if they start playing again.

He can't. Motaurs dont have knees.

Doing it during our anthem brings division not unity! See how that worked?

Per capita, blacks are killed by blacks in far higher numbers. Per capita.

Why?

I gave up talking about this almost 2 years ago.
Used to write those longazz WoT's about it.
Got absolutely nowhere.


It's just so much easier to look at it 'the Brees way' way than it is to listen.

I wanted to let others speak before I made my comments.First I want to say Kaep and everyone else has a right to protest, even kneeling during the anthem. I personally don’t care for it but it isn’t my place to say anything.

Personally I will never kneel during the anthem. I joined the service at 17 and was taught to revere the flag and anthem. We were taught to stand at attention while it was played. If we were in a car on base we were to stop driving and sit quietly.

Now I get that it’s not meant to be disrespectful but and there are other vets who don’t see things the way I do. That is their choice. I want to know why my opinions are wrong or ignorant as Rocket would say?

Kaepernick asked a soldier how to protest the anthem, he was given an answer, so he decides to protest the way a soldier told him to. Yet, that's still not good enough?

Also, aren't black Americans citizens just like you and me under the flag? If a part of the population is gunned down (armed AND unarmed) more than the majority is, does that not say something is broken with our country?

Is it wrong to try and show respect to those gunned down disproportionately and mourn the systemic racism about this country?

How can we be told to "don't make people upset or uncomfortable" when an entire section of our populace is systemically oppressed by law enforcement?

I thank you for being a white guy not telling minorities how to protest. That's part of the steps.

But to answer your question, ignorance is defined as this

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How can you not change your own thinking knowing the story of Kaepernick? How can you not change your own thinking knowing the state of what black Americans, some of our very own community members on this very website, deal with in their every day lives.

Sorry Pdawg, but if you truly educate yourself on this and you can't change your thinking on this...that's ignorance.

I'm not here to win popularity or likes contest. I'm here to comment on football, find place to join a conversation about issues close to my heart, and find ways to get people to at least think contrary to what they normally think.

If people are willing to change their minds, which I've seen, great. If not, that's fine by them.

I'll continue to call a spade a spade. I'll use factual information backed with definition to make my claims. I'll continue to share personal experiences as well.

Thank you for not resulting to ad hominems. Good to see we can discuss even if we're most likely going to disagree.

There is a lot more to the Kaep story than you are sharing. As always, you are only sharing one side of the story. The side that supports your bias. I have tried to get folks to take the time to REALLY research Kaep for years now. No one wants to take the time to do so. Instead, they keep regurgitating false claims of who he really was.

Keep believing in him. That is a given right for you and others to embrace. But, lay off of guys like PDawg who are expressing their opinions. They have rights, too. And it is not your place to piss all over them.

That's the problem,, some still think that it's about the Flag and Country and Patriotism.. IT's not,, never has been.

But you take a fool like Trump who uses it to spread hate and distrust, this is what you get.

I'm not a fan of the method of protest either, but it's his right to protest. I certainly won't get in his way, and he's pretty much accomplished his mission (awareness). I also credit him w/ switching it up from sitting to kneeling. I feel that was done because of the 'disrespect' angle (kneeling is much more respectful and deliberate than sitting).

That said, I think he'd be a lot more credible if he didn't say that little diddy about him not voting because it's pointless and the pig socks.

Because most people are killed by domestic partners.... Whites are also killed primarily by whites.

Ding ding.. winner, people act like Kap was just being a good guy and protesting, then you go out and wear pig socks, come on.. like every police officer are pigs right. Then, the most powerful tool anyone has in this country is their ability to vote and force change and he chose not to. Lost all credibility to me. As far as the Brees backlash, dude was responding to a question and said how he felt about that..not once did he say he was opposed to people protesting, just said he wouldn't agree with disrespecting the flag or anthem.. and a bunch of privileged athletes want get get butt hurt about that and basically say that because Brees is white he isn't allowed to have an opinion. Its BS. It has to work both ways.. and its funny some of these that are speaking out. gmafb. Until these "offended" athletes do something more than post rants on twitter to help the cause then they have no credibility. It's a shame that Brees had to come out and apologize for making comments that were in no way disrespectful. It's a joke and can't be taken seriously until its more about actions than words. I promise Brees has done alot more for his community (which is predominantly black) than some of these that are criticizing him. Twitter has no shortage of moral police it appears

I am not holding up Kap as some beacon of virtue - and he wore the pig socks which was imo worse than anything else he did. I was not aware about his comment about voting - that (assuming true) is moronic.

That said - I find it interesting that in a time of violent rioting at night, which most agree does nothing to move the country toward better race relations or whatever you want to label what needs to be done .... and now many are blasting Kap who PEACEFULLY attempted to shine a light on essentially the same issues that lead to George Floyd's death. Again - not saying Kap was perfect. But man .... what is a Black guy gotta do to reach the masses in a way that everyone is happy with? Oh.... maybe you can't ? Maybe the establishment is going to find a way to undermine the messenger regardless of how they do it?

I never had a problem with the kneel downs - never felt that it was intended to be about America or the military as it was about a way to bring attention to a deep rooted issue in the country. And people obviously bristle at Kap and want to say he's not who he is portrayed to be ????? I don't know - what I do know is that he has sacrificed more in a cause that he believes in than most. To me that speaks to his sincerity in trying to make a difference. just my 2 cents.

Regards Brees and his opinion - just like Trump - no-one is censoring him or preventing him expressing his opinion. For every poster claiming that somehow Brees has been restricted from offering an opinion -- you are so flat dead wrong, because we are all here talking about HIS opinion ... we're also discussing others opinion of Brees's comments. It's called dialogue and debate. Because many don't agree with Brees and have responded - doesn't mean Brees didn't get his opinion out there. Doesn't mean he can't respond to these comments if he chooses to.

j/c...

No...it's not. A soldier...A soldier...that's his basis for his disrespectful act? Let's take a poll of 100 soldiers and former-military and ask them what they think of ANYONE kneeling during the anthem...and for ANY reason. If my only method of "message delivery" requires me to offend something that is important to another, I should probably consider how others feel/believe about my method.




So...I am not allowed to have a different opinion because I am white? I know Kap's story...he STILL should not disrespect his country and something that important to another person. A difference in opinion does not equal ignorance.



So now I am uneducated if I have a difference of opinion.



So the "answer" is that other people have to change their mind. Ridiculous.

In our last debate, you tried to tell me that if I am a Christian I cannot support Trump because he went for a "Photo-Op". That I HAVE to change my mind.

Joe Biden declared that an entire race isn't Black if they can't decide whether to vote for him. How do you feel about Joe Biden telling others how to think?

I have and do acknowledge that racism still exists in this country and that police brutality is real. Isn't that the message the peaceful people are trying to get across? But now that's not enough...now I have to change what I believe...about the flag...the anthem...my Christianity.

When I saw the video, I found myself wondering if I would have tried to help George Floyd...not because of his skin color...but because he's a human being. I think I would have tried. I've (probably stupidly) jumped into the fray at football games (of all places) after someone had clearly lost the battle. Enough was enough...and I'm not a fighter, a "big" guy, or a tough-guy by any stretch...but it was the right thing to do. (One guy was a Steeler fan...at a Bengals playoff game.)

I digress...I can think and believe differently while still supporting the issue. If I am offended by the actions of another, I do not have to change my own beliefs because the person who has offended me was delivering his message.

That right there is EXACTLY what Vers was talking about in another thread in this regard. Brees is not allowed to have a different opinion.

LeBron can tweet "WeAllWeGot" and ask "Why does America hate us?" and he gets absolutely zero push-back. Who is "We"? Is it all people who are disgusted by the act that triggered the comment? Or only black people?

He has asked why does America hate us. Seriously? American now hates black people...or always have? Please. LeBron says he thinks America hates black people...including people who have worshiped him since high school..And he gets ZERO push-back...again...EXACTLY what Vers was posting about.

Alienating and offended people who you are trying to connect-with is rather stupid. Those who believe they are not racist are offended because they've been unjustly accused and lumped with others. Those who ARE racist will only dig in. Those who are somewhere in-between will likely stop listening when the offending begins, have enough of it and change the channel. This over-the-top rhetoric does NOT make the impact that is intended.

So your thought process is that Brees is weak and pliable enough to have expressed an opinion ... and when he got people that reacted and spoke to him about it ... he simply withdrew his opinion? . . . I read it that maybe he spoke to people and has a different appreciation for the situation. I guess without some further insight or explanation from Brees we won't know.

I still don't see where Brees is having his opinion muted or censored... He gave his opinion. Seems like you want Brees to say what his opinion is without ANYONE questioning or commenting on it. As for the 'whatabout' LBJ or any other voice out there - you really think there aren't people that express a different view and talk/comment on it?

Problem is that racism exists in every culture and race. So does unity, if you are looking for something to be racist or offensive, 100% of the time you will find it. You don't protest something by doing something disrespectful to others, knowing that it will cause backlash. It takes away from the message, just like the rioting and looting, thats all anyone is talking about instead of how to fix the divide. So Kap kneeling pissed off alot more people than making them think, compound that with the disrespectful way he did it and then not even voting. Which he could have made a huge deal out of what he was voting on and why and how this is how we help ourselves and move the country forward. He chose to not even do that. And as far as Brees, its not that he didn't get his message out, which was actually just a response to an interview question, its that all the black athletes making him feel like he's wrong, and he's not. You shouldn't feel ashamed to be white or patriotic, it doesn't make you a racist, which is what these athletes are trying to make everyone think. And I find that BS that kap said he talked to a soldier on what to do. Because i know there may be outliers, but I can say without a doubt the MAJORITY by a large margin have a problem with it. If its not about the flag or the anthem or the military, then don't do it. Find another way. Don't force your views and opinions on the very people that allow you to be millionaires for playing with a ball all the while crying oppressed. Use your vote, become activist in your communities, work with lawmakers and leaders to come up with a solution. Thats how change happens, not the way they've gone about it this far.

hey, protest peacefully!!!

....but not like that

or that

or that way either.

definitely not that way.

and not that way as well.

sorry, guys like you will never be happy no matter how people go about protesting. oh well.

I listened to what Brees initially said. I agreed with him. I knew it would only be a matter of time until he would have to backtrack. He didn't deny that racism exists...or that police brutality doesn't exist.

But that's enough. He's not allowed to proclaim his allegiance to the flag and anthem. Brees gave his opinion alright...and then had to retract it.

He didn't offend anyone...he didn't accuse anyone of anything... LeBron accused "America" of hating "us" and he alienated like-minded people who aren't "We". One guy gets blasted and the other guys gets a free pass.



I have no idea where you got that from.

Here's the problem as I see it:

We can't wear T-Shirts that read "I can't breathe."
We can't kneel.
We can't stand on an Olympic podium with a raised fist.
We can't march.
We can't, we can't, we can't... because someone is offended by each of these and many others, as well.

Please tell us what an acceptable form of protest looks like in "Willieworld."

The entire idea behind protest is to make things uncomfortable, in an effort to start dialogue. Apparently, it's working. You see, if there is a form of proest that lives inside WSU Willie's comfort zone, it's not really a protest. It's simply a benign public statement. Benign public statements can be easily ignored.

Where did I say that one couldn't do ANY of those things?

j/c...

The list was establishing a setting under which I formed my question to you.
A question you didn't answer.

So, absent any other distraction/deflection, I'll ask once again:

"What form of protest would be considered acceptable in Willieword?"

For starters? Well...

One can wear T-Shirts that read "I can't breathe."
One can kneel.
One can stand on an Olympic podium with a raised fist.
One can march.

(Willieworld...now THAT kind of comment will really advance the discussion.)

You can peacefully do darn near anything you want that doesn't harm anyone or otherwise impact another person's right to freedom and liberty.

One can engage in civil discussion on a message board.
One can use the media to tell their story.
One can stop spending money on something that offends them.
People with social popularity and/or money can do things and make statements that are inclusive and geared towards peaceful protests and getting out the message.

One can tell an entire nation that they are inherently racist...but you might get some push-back.

If one's protest insults the beliefs of others...you might get some push-back.

If one kneels or sits during the anthem, you should understand that you are offending a huge number of the very people you are trying to "bring along".