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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...ization/612640/

There is a lot there, but this is the quote people will be talking about:

The Atlantic?

Pfft.

Tell Jimmy that first the President has to weed out the corruption of the Left who will stoop to any low level to try to "Get Him".

Collusion lies.
25th Amendment lies.
Traitor accusations.
FBI lies.
CIA lies.
Obama Justice Dept lies.
Ukraine lies.
One sided impeachment by one party.

Need to clear out the rats before you can unite for a meal.

Try Harder -- both quotes are directly from Mattis himself.

No - not the Atlantic. James Madison. I want to say "nice try" - but that attempt at deflection was really weak. Try harder.

Glad to know that you and your “faith” and down with clearing out peaceful protestors with smoke grenades, flash bangs, and horses so your false prophet can use the Bible as a prop for a photo op.

Go be oppressed somewhere else.

I wish Mattis would run for president. I could get behind a Mad Dog 2020 ticket.

It's not lost on me that Mattis chose to speak on record w/ The Atlantic after Trump celebrated more Americans losing their jobs.

H/t Gen. Mattis

grooooooannnn...

And this from Gen. John Allen (former head of US Forces in Afghanistan)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/03/trump-military-george-floyd-protests/


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Meh.

Mattis was a great general with the world's respect but struggled with his first deployment into the world of politics.

When he left office, many right of center folks had lost some respect for him due to that political performance. That had to hurt.

Like everyone else in this Country, he is not immune to having a political opinion. Perhaps even an agenda here.

I saw his use of the term, "More mature leadership."
Is this to say more mature like in an older man such as Biden?

It is an election year, everyone has an opinion and this is his...
Opinion.

God speed General Mattis and thank you for your dedicated service to our Nation.

Nice job. Attack the messenger - ignore the message. I think that might be the first rule in Trump's playbook. You executed it very well. Next week he'll be a full fledged member of the Deep State.... Gen John Allen too apparently.

It's funny because both these messages are so on point and so transparently obvious to the world, no wonder you don't wish to tackle the message.

I think by 'more mature' he meant that of an adult.

Per the article, Mattis stayed silent leading up to (and after) he left the job. Dude was and is a consummate pro.

Guy still has the world's respect.

I think he meant 'more mature' like in someone who stopped acting like he was three years old when he turned 4. And so on...

From Mike Mullen


I Cannot Remain Silent
Our fellow citizens are not the enemy, and must never become so.

JUNE 2, 2020
Mike Mullen
Seventeenth chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff


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It sickened me yesterday to see security personnel—including members of the National Guard—forcibly and violently clear a path through Lafayette Square to accommodate the president's visit outside St. John's Church. I have to date been reticent to speak out on issues surrounding President Trump's leadership, but we are at an inflection point, and the events of the past few weeks have made it impossible to remain silent.

Whatever Trump's goal in conducting his visit, he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, gave succor to the leaders of other countries who take comfort in our domestic strife, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces.

There was little good in the stunt.

While no one should ever condone the violence, vandalism, and looting that has exploded across our city streets, neither should anyone lose sight of the larger and deeper concerns about institutional racism that have ignited this rage.

As a white man, I cannot claim perfect understanding of the fear and anger that African Americans feel today. But as someone who has been around for a while, I know enough—and I’ve seen enough—to understand that those feelings are real and that they are all too painfully founded.



We must, as citizens, address head-on the issue of police brutality and sustained injustices against the African American community. We must, as citizens, support and defend the right—indeed, the solemn obligation—to peacefully assemble and to be heard. These are not mutually exclusive pursuits.

And neither of these pursuits will be made easier or safer by an overly aggressive use of our military, active duty or National Guard. The United States has a long and, to be fair, sometimes troubled history of using the armed forces to enforce domestic laws. The issue for us today is not whether this authority exists, but whether it will be wisely administered.

I remain confident in the professionalism of our men and women in uniform. They will serve with skill and with compassion. They will obey lawful orders. But I am less confident in the soundness of the orders they will be given by this commander in chief, and I am not convinced that the conditions on our streets, as bad as they are, have risen to the level that justifies a heavy reliance on military troops. Certainly, we have not crossed the threshold that would make it appropriate to invoke the provisions of the Insurrection Act.

Furthermore, I am deeply worried that as they execute their orders, the members of our military will be co-opted for political purposes.

Even in the midst of the carnage we are witnessing, we must endeavor to see American cities and towns as our homes and our neighborhoods. They are not “battle spaces” to be dominated, and must never become so.

We must ensure that African Americans—indeed, all Americans—are given the same rights under the Constitution, the same justice under the law, and the same consideration we give to members of our own family. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy, and must never become so.

Too many foreign and domestic policy choices have become militarized; too many military missions have become politicized.

This is not the time for stunts. This is the time for leadership.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/american-cities-are-not-battlespaces/612553/

Here are all the current and former military leaders blasting Trump’s response to nationwide protests

Since the earliest days of his presidency, President Donald Trump has showered "his generals" with an absurd amount of adoration, transforming America's military brass from mere advisors to symbols of legitimacy and trust within his administration.

But in the protests that have followed the death of unarmed African-American man George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer — and Trump's subsequent threats to deploy the military to quell protests nationwide — the president's implicit reliance on generals appears weakened as military leaders speak out and contradict the president's message of force.

In recent days, several generals from past administrations have spoken out strongly against both Trump personally and the approach his administration has taken to the violence that has rocked in recent days, from current Defense Secretary Mark Esper referring to American cities as "battle space" to Trump's demand that governors use the National Guard to "dominate" protestors in their states.


Former Defense Secretary James Mattis:

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society.

This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen:

It sickened me yesterday to see security personnel—including members of the National Guard—forcibly and violently clear a path through Lafayette Square to accommodate the president's visit outside St. John's Church. I have to date been reticent to speak out on issues surrounding President Trump's leadership, but we are at an inflection point, and the events of the past few weeks have made it impossible to remain silent.

Whatever Trump's goal in conducting his visit, he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, gave succor to the leaders of other countries who take comfort in our domestic strife, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces.

Retired Navy Adm. James G. Stavridis:

Our active duty military must remain above the fray of domestic politics, and the best way to do that is to keep that force focused on its rightful mission outside the United States. Our senior active duty military leaders must make that case forcefully and directly to national leadership, speaking truth to power in uncomfortable ways. They must do this at the risk of their career. I hope they will do so, and not allow the military to be dragged into the maelstrom that is ahead of us, and which will likely only accelerate between now and November. If they do not stand and deliver on this vital core value, I fear for the soul of our military and all of the attendant consequences. We cannot afford to have a future Lafayette Square end up looking like Tiananmen Square.

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin E. Dempsey:

America’s military, our sons and daughters, will place themselves at risk to protect their fellow citizens. Their job is unimaginably hard overseas; harder at home. Respect them, for they respect you. America is not a battleground. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy.

Former U.S. Special Operations Command Gen. Raymond A. Thomas:

The “battle space” of America??? Not what America needs to hear...ever, unless we are invaded by an adversary or experience a constitutional failure...ie a Civil War...

Former U.S. Forces-Afghanistan commander Gen. John Allen:

The slide of the United States into illiberalism may well have begun on June 1, 2020. Remember the date. It may well signal the beginning of the end of the American experiment.

Within the administration, other generals and military leaders have spoken out both against racism and policy brutality and to reaffirm their commitment to upholding the constitutional rights of citizens regardless of their orders.

Army Chief of Staff Gen. James C. McConville:

Every Soldier and Department of the Army Civilian swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution. That includes the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. We will continue to support and defend those rights, and we will continue to protect Americans, whether from enemies of the United States overseas, from COVID-19 at home, or from violence in our communities that threatens to drown out the voices begging us to listen. To Army leaders of all ranks, listen to your people, but don’t wait for them to come to you. Go to them. Ask the uncomfortable questions. Lead with compassion and humility, and create an environment in which people feel comfortable expressing grievances. Let us be the first to set the example. We are listening. And we will continue to put people first as long as we are leading the Army. Because people are our greatest strength

Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday:

First right now, I think we need to listen. We have black Americans in our Navy and in our communities that are in deep pain right now. They are hurting. I’ve received emails, and I know it’s not a good situation. I know that for many of them, they may not have somebody to talk to. I ask you to consider reaching out, have a cup of coffee, have lunch, and just listen.

The second thing I would ask you to consider in the Navy we talk a lot about treating people with dignity and respect – in fact, we demand it. It’s one of the things that makes us a great Navy and one of the things that makes me so proud of all of you every single day. But over the past week, after we’ve watched what is going on, we can’t be under any illusions about the fact that racism is alive and well in our country. And I can’t be under any illusions that we don’t have it in our Navy.

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein:

Every American should be outraged that the conduct exhibited by police in Minneapolis can still happen in 2020. We all wish it were not possible for racism to occur in America … but it does, and we are at a moment where we must confront what is.”

[W]hat happens on America’s streets is also resident in our Air Force ... Sometimes it’s explicit, sometimes it’s subtle, but we are not immune to the spectrum of racial prejudice, systemic discrimination, and unconscious bias. We see this in the apparent inequity in our application of military justice.

We will not shy away from this ... As leaders and as Airmen, we will own our part and confront it head on.

National Guard Bureau Chief Gen. Joseph Lengyel:

I am sickened by the death of George Floyd. I am horrified his six year old daughter will grow up without a father. And I am enraged that this story—of George Floyd, of Philando Castile, of Trayvon Martin, and too many others—keeps happening in our country, where unarmed men and women of color are the victims of police brutality and extrajudicial violence.

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Everyone who wears the uniform of our country takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and everything for which it stands. If we are to fulfill our obligation as service members, as Americans, and as decent human beings, we have to take our oath seriously. We cannot tolerate racism, discrimination, or casual violence. We cannot abide divisiveness and hate. We cannot stand by and watch. We ask for the intercession of what Abraham Lincoln called 'the better angels of our nature.' Join me.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley:

We all committed our lives to the idea that is America. We will stay true to that oath and the American people.

Defense Secretary Mark Esper:

With great sympathy, I want to extend the deepest of condolences to the family and friends of George Floyd from me and the department. Racism is real in America and we must all do our very best to recognize it, to confront it, and to eradicate it.
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I say this not only as secretary of defense but also as a former soldier and a former member of the National Guard: The option to use active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort – and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act.


https://taskandpurpose.com/news/trump-generals-protests

But Trump only hires the best people?

You must have forgotten that Trump knows more than the generals.

They are all dummies.
But he's a stable genius.

She had her chance, though


Murkowski calls Mattis' Trump criticism "true and honest and necessary and overdue"

Fadel Allassan
Fadel Allassan
Murkowski in front of Flags.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski. Photo: Bill Clark/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said Thursday that she agreed with former Defense Secretary James Mattis' criticism of President Trump, calling it "true and honest and necessary and overdue."

Why it matters: Murkowski, who has signaled her discomfort with the president in the past, also said that she's "struggling" with her support for him in November — a rare full-on rebuke of Trump from a Senate Republican.

Mattis, a retired four-star Marine Corps general, condemned Trump for making a "mockery of our Constitution," saying he was "appalled" at the president's response to mass protests against police brutality and systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd's killing.
Murkowski has long been viewed as one of the most likely Republicans to break with Trump on policy issues, but she ultimately voted to move along his impeachment trial earlier this year without hearing from additional witnesses.
What she's saying: "[W]hen I saw Gen. Mattis' comments yesterday, I felt like perhaps we are getting to a point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally — and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up."

"I didn’t support the president in the initial election, and I work hard to try to make sure that I’m able to represent my state well, that I’m able to work with any administration and any president."
"He is our duly elected president. I will continue to work with him. I will continue to work with this administration, but I think right now as we are all struggling to find ways to express the words that need to be expressed appropriately. Questions about who I’m going to vote for not going to vote for I think are distracting at the moment."

The fact that she is still 'struggling' is precisely the problem.

Yeah and at least two comments from the article do not add up to the basic math test for me. Maybe it's me who is missing it, but...



...doesn't equal...



Maybe diam will come along with a math lesson for us.

40, you take the side of a Game Show host over a General that served proudly for decades... you are the very defination of someone that can't think

I am STUNNED that an American President would use military force on American citizens to clear a path to a church so he could have a photo op thumping an upside down bible. If 40 supports the use of the American military against American citizens I have nothing nice to say about tRumpf or 40.

Listen up. I am referring to the night before the Church pics.

When the Church was set ablaze and 60, yes 60 Secret Service agents were injured trying to keep the rioters and looters out of the White House!

The Weak Mayor of DC, Murial Bowser had not provided enough police protection for our President.

The Park Police and National Guard were called to the scene and the Military was close by as backup.

The Hoards respected that.

More than 60 Secret Service officers and agents were injured near the White House this weekend
From CNN’s Jason Hoffman

More than 60 US Secret Service Uniformed Division officers and special agents were injured starting Friday night through Sunday morning near the White House as protests rocked Washington, DC, following the death of George Floyd last week, according to a statement from the Secret Service.

The officers and agents were injured when protesters threw “projectiles such as bricks, rocks, bottles, fireworks and other items,” according to the statement. “Personnel were also directly physically assaulted as they were kicked, punched and exposed to bodily fluids.”
CNN teams were on hand for much of the protests and witnessed protesters throwing objects at officers and pulling temporary fencing away from them.

Eleven Secret Service employees were transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

The Secret Service said no one crossed the White House fence and no one being protected was ever in danger.

Officers made one arrest near the White House on Saturday night.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-05-31-20/h_cb459ab077b164295d8d61d80987e3fb

Just to be clear, you believe CNN when what they report fits your agenda but otherwise, they are terrible.. Do I have the right?

Trump shared the letter from Attorney John Dowd to James Mattis late on Thursday, which stated:

Jim:

I slept on your statement and woke up appalled and upset. You lost me. Never dreamed you would let a bunch of hack politicians use your good name and reputation earned with the blood and guts of young Marines. You did what you said you would — engage in this discourse. Marines keep their word.

The phony protesters near Lafayette park were not peaceful and are not real. They are terrorists using idle hate filled students to burn and destroy. They were abusing and disrespecting the police when the police were preparing the area for the 1900 curfew. Jim, this is the new nihilism. See Dan Henniger in WSJ today. Marines support the police in harm’s way.

Did you forget that President Bush used active duty Marines to quell the riots in LA? President Trump has countless cities and some snowflake governors and mayors wetting themselves in the use of force to protect innocent lives and property. The AG of Massachusetts thinks burning property is good protest. Three more policeman were stabbed and shot in NYC last night.

Think about it. Should he be upset about the obvious failure of leadership? Where are you, Jim?

Marines go to the fight.

No one divided this country more than Obama. He abandoned our black brothers and sisters. He gave guns to cartels. He apologized for our precious sacrifice and generosity overseas. You remember, he fired you.

President Trump has done more to help our minority brothers and sisters in three years than anyone in the last fifty. Ask the black pastors. Ask the leaders of the black colleges and universities. He got them funded. Ask them about the prison reform which ended the draconian sentences imposed on young black men by the laws enacted by Biden and his hacks. You need to bone up on your homework and stop listening to Uncle Leon.

I understand, you had to stick to the assigned narrative which did not include three years of corrupt investigations and evidence to destroy this President, his office, and his lawful free election. Nancy has no tolerance for dissent in the ranks – including those with stars.

You said nothing of the ugly, hate filled, disgraceful comments of Pelosi, Schumer, Perez, and other Democrat hacks defaming the President and his office. You said nothing of the unlawful sanctuary cities and the unlawful release of hoodlums. You said nothing of the resistance movement to paralyze our courts and our government operations. You said nothing of the obstruction and subversion of our immigration laws. You said nothing of MS-13 killers and the drug cartels who own huge sections of our major cities. Jim, do you think that hateful rhetoric and those corrupt actions were inspiring and unifying? Do you think the DI’s at Parris Island would find such behavior as unifying?

Maybe, your problem, is a lot deeper. Perhaps you ought to explain how and why you (and John Allen) as CG Central Command, did not engage and take out Iranian Major General Soleimani who roamed the Middle East and wreaked havoc and death of our American boys with his infamous IEDs?

Why did it take President Trump to have the instincts and balls to take him out (of course over the objection of the geniuses in the Pentagon)?

Looks like the Persian mullahs were a one horse sleigh and Trump nailed the horse…forever. It has been quiet ever since. Perhaps, your anger is borne of embarrassment for your own failure as the leader of Central Command. Did you applaud when the President recognized the central problem in the Middle East? Did you applaud the President when he wanted to save American lives by bringing them home in one piece?

John M Dowd


https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-sha...attack-on-trump

Talk about partisan drivel. It starts and is exemplified by this

...some snowflake governors and mayors wetting themselves...

I stop with one example otherwise I would end up copying the majority of the statement.

How completely unprofessional a response. I am okay with a retort. I am okay with opposite opinion. But what a childish response.

And who is this guy anyway? At 1st I thought he was a general but then I see he is an attorney? Why should I or anyone else care about his opinion?

John Maguire Dowd is an American attorney, former attorney for the United States Department of Justice, and former Marine Corps Judge Advocate. Dowd was employed by several law firms in the Washington, D.C. area for his expertise in defending clients accused of white-collar crimes.Wikipedia

Dowd = Political. Mattis = admired leader. That was true when he was appointed to by Trump. It's still true.

Not really sure why they released that letter -- it isn't helping them...

Masterbation material for Trump's base.

In my reading I saw something that made it sound like he was Trump's personal attorney for some matter in the past. If I can find it again I'll post the link.

But regardless, his opinion letter means nothing more to me than if you had written it yourself.

of course he was...this is from what fish posted on wiki-this is all you need to know on how he knows trump

Dowd was employed by several law firms in the Washington, D.C. area for his expertise in defending clients accused of white-collar crimes.Wikipedia

Here is the article, I am only copying what I find pertinent to my post but feel free to follow the link and copy and post any of it you choose.

Trump said the letter from John Dowd, who represented him during part of the Russia investigation, was “of interest to the American people.”

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-protesters-terrorists-063423734.html