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A Catholic archbishop said the "deep state" is "fiercely waging war against" President Trump amid the coronavirus pandemic and riots following the death of George Floyd.

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano of Rome urged Trump on Sunday to fight against the so-called "deep state," mainstream media, and the "deep church" in an open letter shared by LifeSiteNews.

"In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness," Vigamo writes, adding that the deep state has "decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans."

He believes investigations will bring to light mishandling of the COVID-19 crisis as well as what was behind the riots in several cities across the nation after Floyd died while in police custody on Memorial Day.

The former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States slammed Washington, D.C.'s Archbishop Wilton Gregory, who claimed Trump "egregiously misused and manipulated" the Saint John Paul II National Shrine by visiting it last week before signing an international religious liberty order. Trump was criticized for holding up a Bible at St. John's Church after part of it was burned during a protest. Critics claim Trump used tear gas to clear protesters but officials, including Trump, deny it.

Vigamo said Gregory and other religious leaders aligned with him "are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches."

Gregory has reportedly called on his priests to dress in black and protest Trump at 11 a.m. Monday morning in Lafayette Park.

Vigano said attacks on Trump for visiting the shrine are "part of the orchestrated media narrative which seeks not to fight racism and bring social order, but to aggravate dispositions; not to bring justice, but to legitimize violence and crime; not to serve the truth, but to favor one political faction."

He praised Trump for his actions as president.

"For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship," Vigano wrote, adding, "And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons."

The majority of good people must wake up, "come together and make their voices heard," he said, adding that the most "effective" way is through prayer.

Vigano offered to pray for Trump and first lady Melania Trump, and the nation as a whole.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/arc...g-out-right-now

Amen Brother.

Maybe they should focus on fighting pedophiles in their ranks before they worry about the fake ass deep state.

Ahhh. The Catholic Church. The bastion of guiding light of moral decency and self reporting. Of weeding out their own bad actors. Certainly when they speak of standing up for right over wrong we should listen.

Ha ha ha ha ha... ROTFLMAO

Hey bishop what’s your face, why don’t you worry about your own house. We’ll throw out the trash this November.

Yes, that should happen and is/has happened. Are good or evil forces at work when protesters of justice loot/ rob and others get killed for a black man, who should NOT have been murdered, is the main character held up as a life worthy of such actions.

Black lives do matter- just wish blacks didn't kill blacks so often.

While you bash the Catholic church, do some research on all the GOOD done- probably don't want to recognize that. Schools, hospitals, feeding poor, millions of scholarships for ALL races, etc, etc.....yes there have been and still are monsters in robes, but the VAST majority are honorable ambassadors for Christ.
Peace brother

You know what they say about birds of a feather.

And the Pope is saying the opposite.. In essence he's saying that Trump is the reason for turmoil and distrust because of the crap storm he put in motion... Paraphrasing of course.

So, an archbishop or Pope? Who speaks for the Church?

The Congregation.

And did the Congregation come forward and back the Archbishop or Pope?

I'm pretty sure you're reading it in real-time in this thread.

I am Catholic and I stand with the Pope. So I guess that's the answer.

Same here

Not sure about that.. Seems to be divided along political lines

Exactly.
The "Congregation" isn't one voice. It's everyone.
Some are with the Pope, some are with the Archbishop.


Also, folks need to grow up and stop letting religious people dictate to them their political stances.... that, or y'all need to stop criticising when Mullahs call for jihad or preach that the West is evil. No different.

J/c it's the Spanish Inquisition that speaks for the Church.

lifesitenews...

Torquemada?

Ya can't Torquemada anything!

I’d be a lot more cool with Christianity If they allowed polygamy.

Solve a lot of problems.

That just sounds like sanctioned murder when the wrong one finds out, lol

j/c

This archbishop has no clue how to follow the company line. As such he would never make it working in the Trump administration. As with the rest, he would be called "the best people" when he was hired and treated like pond scum as soon as he stepped out of line.

j/c...

An Italian court has ordered Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former papal nuncio to the United States, to pay back to his brother, the Rev. Lorenzo Viganò, more than $2 million, plus interest, which he had, according to the Italian press, “illegally and illegitimately” taken from him over many years.

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/20...ion-his-brother

Putin is the deep state. So go thump your trump bibles in Russia. Pffft the trump era

No wonder 40 supports this guy.

A bastion of Trumpness on all fronts!

You cool with me sharing this post with Kat on FB?

Polygamy? Why would you want two or more women mad at you at the same time?

Pope sends strong message to US Catholics after Floyd death
Associated Press
NICOLE WINFIELD and ELANA SCHOR
,Associated Press•June 10, 2020

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis called George Floyd by name, twice, and offered support to an American bishop who knelt in prayer during a Black Lives Matter protest.

Cardinals black and white have spoken out about Floyd's death, and the Vatican’s communications juggernaut has shifted into overdrive to draw attention to the cause he now represents.

Under normal circumstances, Floyd’s killing at the hands of a white police officer and the global protests denouncing racism and police brutality might have drawn a muted diplomatic response from the Holy See. But in a U.S. election year, the intensity and consistency of the Vatican’s reaction suggests that, from the pope on down, it is seeking to encourage anti-racism protesters while making a clear statement about where American Catholics should stand ahead of President Donald Trump's bid for a second term in November.

Francis “wants to send a very clear message to these conservative Catholics here who are pro-Trumpers that, ‘Listen, this is just as much of an issue as abortion is,’” said Anthea Butler, a presidential visiting fellow at Yale Divinity School.

Butler, who is African American, said the Vatican is telling Catholics “to pay attention to the racism that is happening and the racism that is in your own church in America.”

The Vatican has long spoken out about racial injustice, and popes dating to Paul VI have voiced support for the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King Jr.’s message of nonviolent protest. History’s first pope from the global south is no different. He quoted King at length during his historic speech to the U.S. Congress in 2015 and met with King’s daughter, as his predecessor had done.

But the degree to which Francis and the Vatican have seized on Floyd's killing is unusual and suggests a coordinated messaging strategy aimed at a national church that Francis has long criticized for its political and ideological partisanship, said Alberto Melloni, a church historian and secretary of the John XXIII Foundation for Religious Studies in Bologna, Italy.

“It’s not like seven people had the same type of reaction” by chance, Melloni said.

Last week, Francis denounced the “sin of racism” and twice identified Floyd as the victim of a “tragic” killing. In a message read in Italian and English during his general audience, Francis expressed concerns about violence during the protests, saying it was self-destructive.

He also said, “We cannot close our eyes to any form of racism or exclusion, while pretending to defend the sacredness of every human life.”

It was a clear effort to call out some conservative Catholics for whom the abortion issue is paramount, while other “life” issues dear to Francis — racism, immigration, the death penalty and poverty — play second fiddle at the ballot box.

Francis has firmly upheld the church's opposition to abortion. And polls show a plurality of American Catholics support significant restrictions on legal abortion.

But Francis has also lamented that the U.S. church is “obsessed” with abortion, contraception and gay marriage to the detriment of its other teachings. Trump is staking his outreach to Catholic voters largely on his anti-abortion platform.

Francis spoke out June 3 after Trump posed in front of an Episcopal church near the White House, Bible in hand, after law enforcement aggressively forced protesters away from a nearby park.

A day later, Trump visited the St. John Paul II shrine, a visit denounced by the highest-ranking African American prelate in the U.S., Archbishop Wilton Gregory of Washington, D.C., whom Francis appointed to the politically important position last year. Gregory said he found it “baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated.”

In that vein, the pope’s phone call to Texas Bishop Mark Seitz of El Paso last week appeared quietly significant. Seitz has taken a leading role in demanding fair treatment for migrants attempting to cross the southern U.S. border, a cause Francis has championed in ways that have fueled tensions with Trump.

Francis called Seitz unexpectedly after he was photographed kneeling in prayer at a Black Lives Matter protest. Seitz said the pope thanked him without mentioning the demonstration, but the context was clear: “My recent words and actions on the events that are taking place in the country now" after Floyd's killing.

Francis was not alone in making the Vatican’s views known.

While the Holy See would be loath to be seen as picking sides prior to the U.S. election, its media operation has made clear its backing for peaceful protests, denouncing injustices suffered by black Americans and underlining its longtime support of King’s message.

Sunday’s L’Osservatore Romano newspaper featured three Floyd-related stories on its front page. The first was that 1 million people were expected to protest that day in Washington.

A second story was about a video showing two U.S. police officers shoving 75-year-old Martin Gugino, a white Catholic protester, to the ground in Buffalo. “Go watch it, please," the article said.

Its third story was about a prayer service presided over by the highest-ranking American at the Vatican, Cardinal Kevin Farrell, who decried how America’s constitutional ideals were failing its black citizens.

In an interview, Farrell said he has spoken to Francis in the past about America’s race problems, which he saw up close as an auxiliary bishop in Washington. Farrell said Francis is well versed in King and American history.

Francis “knows what the principle was and he knows what the struggle was,” Farrell said.

Natalia Imperatori-Lee, a professor of religious studies at Manhattan College, said the Vatican’s message is having an effect on American Catholics.

“We are starting to see a kind of fissure emerge,” she said. “Whether that’s going to be long lasting or whether it is a sign of a paradigm shift, I think it’s too early to tell.”

A poll from the nonprofit Public Religion Research Institute last week found that the share of white Catholics holding favorable views of Trump had dropped by double digits since last year, registering 37% in the last week of May compared with 49% across 2019.

The test, Imperatori-Lee said, will be if priests are still preaching about racism in six months. And beyond that: “I guess we’ll know if this works when Catholics go to the polls in November.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-sends-strong-message-us-065655151.html

At the end of the day, they speak only for themselves... and neither of them speaks for God.

The deep state isn't fake, it's very real.. the thing is that it's not all that deep and not all that secretive, it's right in front of us but many choose not to see it because they remain constantly distracted by matters of lesser importance, which is how it's supposed to work.

While I agree with you - I think there are Millions of people who will listen to the opinion of the Pope and follow. I think your statement almost dismisses that .... the Pope's opinion is a lot more than simply "one man's opinion"

Yes - William Barr is front and center and is as much an operative of "Deep State" as anything that's ever gone before and I hope we never see the likes of him ever again regardless of which party benefits from such a partisan hack.

‘I hope it’s true’: Trump responds to claim he was chosen by God

President Trump responded to the evangelical claim that he was appointed by God in an interview Monday.


CBN News political analyst David Brody asked Trump about the claim that God put him "in office for such a time as this."

"I almost don't even want to think about it," Trump said. "Because you know what, all I'm gonna do is, I hope it's true. All I'm going to do is, I'm going to do my best."

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders also affirmed the claim.

As Trump seeks reelection, the president pointed to his evangelical base, saying he was "so honored" when evangelist Franklin Graham revealed his father, the late Rev. Billy Graham, voted for him after a Christianity Today editorial called for his removal in December.

"As you know, to me that was a big moment because I have such respect for Franklin and for the family, and Billy Graham is really great," Trump said.

"There's a lot of hidden support. People in our country that don't riot, don't protest, that don't, you know, they work hard," he said. "They're smart, they have everything, but they were forgotten by the politicians. They showed up in '16. I think they're going to show up in larger numbers in '20."

The president pointed out that Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson told him, while the two were running against each other, that Trump would win "because God put you here for this occasion."

In May, two professors who study religion and politics told Fox News more churchgoers now believe Trump is anointed by God to lead the nation.

On Wednesday, Trump vowed to protect statues as some activists are calling for the toppling of monuments to former presidents, controversial historical figures, and Jesus Christ, after initially targeting Confederate figures.

“They’re looking at Jesus Christ, they’re looking at George Washington, they’re looking at Abraham Lincoln, they’re looking at Thomas Jefferson,” Trump said, during a news conference with Polish President Andrzej Duda in the White House’s Rose Garden. “It’s not going to happen.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-god-appointed-christian-interview

Jesus!

I don't think he was selected by Jesus either. More like, you know how God sometimes lets natural disasters happen? Yeah, like that.

Hey, how come every time a natural disaster hits the Bible Belt states, it’s because of the gays and sin?

But yet San Fran doesn’t get hit with anything but kale smoothies and high taxes. Or NYC. I thought god hates the gays? So why does he take his wraith out on his flock rather than the gay capital of America?

Is there a scripture you can reference?

trump is our plague sent by God.

One thing I have figured out. You can take a verse here and a verse there in the Bible and string them together in a manner to tell pretty much any story you want to. But then again you can do that with any book that has ever been written.