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Wrong forum. Sorry, refs. Could someone move this?

They have the right to not allow people to display their flags. It is also the right thing to do.

I cannot believe that this occurred in 2020.

Good. Stop celebrating losers. Largest display of a participation trophy in world history.

Depends.

Old browns, or new browns?

In other Confederate news:


Judge Blocks VA Gov. Northam’s Takedown of Robert E. Lee Statue


A judge in Richmond, Virginia, on Monday temporarily blocked Gov. Ralph Northam’s order to tear down a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee that has towered over a traffic circle since it was erected 130 years ago.

Northam, who is still in office despite his past blackface antics, ordered on Thursday the statue to be removed because “it was wrong then and it is wrong now.”

Richmond Circuit Judge Bradley B. Cavedo ordered a ten-day injunction after William C. Gregory filed a lawsuit claiming the deed for the land included a promise to “affectionately protect” the statue.

Gregory is the great-grandson of a man and women who were signatories on the deed, according to the Washington Post:

The 14-foot equestrian statue and its 50-foot base stand atop land annexed from Henrico County in 1890. In the deed recording for the land transfer, the state “guaranteed” to “hold said statue and pedestal and circle of ground perpetually sacred to the monumental purpose” and to “faithfully guard it and affectionately protect it,” Gregory’s lawyer, Joseph E. Blackburn Jr., argued in a court filing Monday.

“Our administration is still reviewing the order,” Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said. “Governor Northam remains committed to removing this divisive symbol from Virginia’s capital city, and we’re confident in his authority to do so.”

According to the website of the Monument Avenue Preservation Society, preparations for the memorial began when Lee died in 1870, but drawing up plans, selecting a sculptor and finding a site took the better part of 17 years. Eventually, the city annexed 292 acres from Henrico County to put the statue on what had been a baseball field on the edge of tobacco farms.

The removal seemed imminent as signage was being installed to prevent parking at certain hours and nearby homeowners told the Post they were advised about the plan.

The Hill reported that the statue has been vandalized with graffiti during the past two weeks during of protests over the death of a black man, George Floyd, who died at the hands of Minneapolis police.

There are other statues of Confederate leaders on Monument Avenue, including those of J. E. B. Stuart, Jefferson Davis, and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/...-e-lee-statute/

Just an opinion.

I think I understand why some folks want to see the confederate flag and all statues be banned.

But to me, removing all these symbols is like burning books or blaming media for all that's wrong with the world because they report on it...

those things are "OUR" history and to dismantle them or hide them is nothing more that hiding the truth of America. Hiding that stuff doesn't change that fact that it happened...

"Our history" also includes WW2 and I don't see any statues of Hitler in our town squares.

Thats because Hitler wasn't an american.

I'm guessing you haven't been to a Neo Nazi parade lately

That really has nothing to do with it. You do understand that once the south seceded from the Union, they were no longer a part of The United States either. They were not a part of The United States. They decided to secede from the United states and attack our nation at Fort Sumter.

To the victor goes the spoils and there is no participation trophy in war. You are only advocating we wave the celebration of slavery into the eyes of those whose forefathers endured it. It's time that the memorials to traitors be taken down. Maybe we should erect one to Benedict Arnold?

While there is a large part of me that agrees with that sentiment - I think the issue is that much of the "history" being referred to is a rallying call and iconic symbolism for racist, Alt Right hate groups. Keeping them helps perpetuate the divide and hate.

They are artfacts of a bygone era.
I don't mean the era in which these figures were alive. I mean the eras in which these monuments were erected.

During Reconstruction
During Jim Crow
During the 1950's & 1960's

Each wave of these statues being erected coincided with advances in social status, civic gains and legal status for the families of former slaves. In other words, Black Americans.

And like all artifacts, there is an appropriate place for them. They are called museums. Placing them in a museum doesn't remove them from the public. People will be free to visit them whenever they wish. Make the museums free to visit/goodwill offering.

Moving them from public squares and in front of state buildings isn't erasing history. It's moving a chunk of granite/marble/stone/concrete. If folks want to remain in touch with History, I suggest they open a got tamned book.

History like this belongs in one museum for all to see the hate they represent. Not on our city streets for the KKK and white supremacist to rally around.

j/c...

Good.

THE NORTH WINS AGAIN!

j/c:

I agree w/Clem's take on the putting the statues in museums. I don't think we should hide our past. Hell, it could be a reminder of how things were. We shouldn't forget it happened.

The Confederate flag is another issue. I guess we can put some in museums, but I don't ever want to see one when I'm on the streets. I see a Confederate flag and my hair stands up on the back of my neck and I get an uneasy feeling. First of all, I despise the "type" of people that would still honor that symbol. Secondly, I feel so terrible for the blacks that have to be subjected towards that symbol. Finally, I realize that I could very well get in a fight and end up in jail. I got no use for those people.

That's going to butt hurt a lot of billy bobs.

I doubt it.


How many races have you been to?

Two when I was young, in my 20s. Didn't like it much.

A good friend of mine was the chef for jegs racing team, even had a tv show called the racing chef for a while. He tried a couple times to give me tickets and the vip treatment, meeting drivers, but it just doesn't interest me.

I agree with Clem here... there is a difference between preserving as a piece of history in a place dedicated to the study and awareness of history and giving it a place of celebratory honor like a town square or in front of a government center....

I will say that I'm against removing statues and renaming streets of Washington, Jefferson, et.al. because they were slave owners.. but relocating artifacts of the confederacy to the annals of history seems reasonable.

JMHO, historical statues on government land should be moved if they cause public disruption. Private organizations- Daughters of the Confederacy/ Sons of..etc can buy land and preserve these historical monuments if they want.
In couple generations, WWII won't mean a thing to lots of living folks, the day of infamy will pass away.
The Confederacy is celebrated mainly as acts against the federal government- state flags, college mascots, Roll Tide more important and celebrated than old flag.

j/c...

I chuckled.

oh, damn.

that was epic.

While I disagree w/the driver's stance, isn't the response very similar in nature to his beliefs?

Y'all ain't getting it. Hate is hate. We continually mock the other side and then lament why there are racial problems in this country.

I said this before........I am not sure if it is because I am older or because of how biased people have become due to social media, but I have very little tolerance for ignorance.

Oh dear God.

I'm sure if we get rid of all things Confederate that will be the end of our Racial problems.

Of course not. What it would do is at least show we aren't going to slam them in the face with racists by celebrating them in the town square. Though some support that kind of thing.

People keep saying these protestors are toppling these monuments but that's not what I see. I see those monuments falling much harder than they're being pushed. I think they're just tripping and falling. Or maybe it's just a setup.

When losers get a statue, isn't that just a big participation trophy? And they were traitors to America at that. As far as I'm concerned they can make the KKK a terrorist org and track them all down and jail them. Then wipe every remnant of Jim Crow and the Civil War (celebrating the south) away. Renaming these military bases is a good idea on the part of the command. Trump needs to shut up and get on board before he loses the military too.

The sad part is, no matter how much gets done right now, it won't be enough. We always talk a good game when things get heated but never follow through and then the suffering continues.

Democrats removing the history and legacy of democrats.

Doesn't matter what party the bigots USED to be in, where are those 'good people' now? I never saw the KKK, the Nazis, or the toothless bigots show up for an Obama rally to support him. Did you?

You mean like the guy that showed up at a bernie rally with a nazi flag? Protesters show up all the time and do disgusting things like that. Only liberals think they're actually for that candidate.

David Duke said Trump is one of us... David Duke! lmao

You can spin until you're dizzy bro, Trump's a bigot and loves to elevate other bigots to relevance. And it's sad seeing you try to defend that because I thought you were smarter.

But did Trump ever say Duke was "one of us"? I see just about every prominent dem getting a picture with Louis farrakahn, and you all forget he's an antisemite and hates whites as much as duke hates blacks. Trump even quit a presidential run for the Reform party when he found out duke was involved. That's way different than seeking his endorsement, like dems do with louie.

Barack Obama, Colin Powell, Maxine Waters, and Eric Holder have all posed with Louis Farrakhan!