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Just by the way - this is not Pure Football. Should be moved to Tailgate, EE, or most appropriately, PP.

Child, please.

Lacks communication skills - posts memes instead. You really are only 12, aren't you?

If he wants to, good for him.

I am OK with this. Not my place to judge his reasons. Just win, baby.

+1

I believe in the freedom to stand, kneel or sit. Sure, I’d like everyone to stand, but to force change, this might be required.

That's my QB!

Shut up Dave, how is that for direct communication?

Congratulations! You've solved racism! (You told a non-racist to "shut up".)

BTW, bite me.

I never said you were a bigot. I told you to shut up for the way you were talking to Rocket, who is obviously not 12. And now that you said 'bite me'; STFU Dave.

If it's what his teammates want him to do, go for it. I don't see how it's really addressing the issue, but it's not hurting anyone. I think we're at the point where if the topic hasn't already had enough attention, it's because it's really only gotten the "rubberneckers" form of attention instead of thoughtful discernment and action. Lots of people figuratively saying look there's a problem, someone else go fix it. I get that admitting there's a problem is often the first step in solving it, but if you're caught in a step one loop not much solving gets done.

I get that symbolic gestures can help a movement gain momentum. I just hope that the momentum is used well. It just seems that it's been more digging deeper than moving forward as of yet.

Everyone has a right to approach it as they see fit ... whether that’s a personal reason or for standing by teammates for theirs.

I’m not gonna judge anyone who wants to sit, stand, kneel, cross arms, etc ... be respectful of each other and try to win afterwards

Exactly. If Baker or anyone else wants to kneel that's their business.

Baker's a douche.

I have the freedom to express my opinion like he has freedom to kneel. He better put up some numbers this year, otherwise I'm done with this clown.

Leaders tend to be on the right side of history, kneeling is a right

Kevin Stefanski: 'I am standing right there' with players involved in protest rallies

Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski just recently moved to Cleveland, but he’s already found ways to connect with both his Browns players and his new community. Stefanski is connecting through the ongoing social justice protest movements that are omnipresent around the country and in Northeast Ohio.

Stefanski took his kids along to a peaceful protest over the weekend in Avon. It’s proof that the new coach is willing to do more than just pay lip service to the cares and concerns of his players. He talked about the impact being there with his young children had upon the Stefanski family.

“It was empowering. You saw the passion. You saw the frustration. You saw the love,” Stefanski said. “It was just a really enlightening moment for me, and I was able to share that with my boys at a young age. Part of this is making sure that we are doing everything in our power to educate each other — and especially the next generation.”

He took that message with him to players. Stefanski canceled all team activities on Tuesday in a nod to George Floyd’s funeral service.

“My big note to our players is that I got their back. That is not just lip service – I am standing right there beside them. They have my support, and I promise you that we will continue to listen to each other from a place of mutual respect.”

The Browns were at the forefront of the protest movement spearheaded by Colin Kaepernick. During a 2017 preseason game, a large group of players took a knee during the pregame rendition of the national anthem, including Seth DeValve–the first white player to take such action. It seems that spirit lives on and is encouraged by Stefanski.

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/...rotest-rallies/

I agree ... early returns on Stefanski are very positive IMO. He just seems very mindful, organized, and calculated.

Not sure if we’ll have a better product on the field haha, but I think we will

I just hope when the time comes I like what I'm seeing as much as I like what I'm hearing.

yeah exactly .. you never know until it starts. I mean, I have some Vikings fans who hate him ... say he’s too conservative and shows no emotion like Pat Shurmur haha.

So, beauty is in the eye of the beholder

This is why it's really going to be up to Baker.

Anyone who kneels to our flag is an Anti-American.

I will not watch the NFL EVER AGAIN if they kneel AGAIN this year.

Football is a sport and not Politics!

Football is a way to get politics off the mind for 3 hours.

The NFL becoming political will be it's ULTIMATE DOWNFALL!

I have a lot of Mayfield memorabilia available for immediate fire sale!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

GOODBYE NFL!

I never understood the anger behind protesting by kneeling during the national anthem.

Our veterans didn't fight for the cloth. They fought for what the cloth stands for. Which part of that is the right to do something like kneel during the anthem.

If you did that in North Korea, you'd never been seen again, that's the difference.

I am happy to see Baker supporting this cause, and not taking the route Drew Brees took. Brees is not a bad person by any means, but it was just really out of touch with what's going on in the country. For the record there are people still dragging him because his recent comments were under fire.

Drew Brees, much like anyone kneeling for the flag, has every right to disagree with the protest, but also, if he comes around, embrace it instead of turning your back on it. We will never get anywhere as a country when we don't embrace people who may just be coming around. You can't do that.

As I said in another thread, we aren't talking enough. It's just two sides screaming at each other.

While the flag may not have changed, it's surroundings have. In the end, it's just a piece(s) of material. The things it represents to you still exist apart from it. Maybe that's part of the problem. People seem to care more about the flag than the things it supposedly represents.

People claim that soldiers died for the flag, but more than that they died for what it represented. With the people we currently have wearing it pinned to their lapels, I'm not sure those soldiers see what they died for represented.

The NFL hasn't strictly been a sport in a long while, if it ever was. It's a business. Politics and business are more closely entwined in our country now than they've ever been. I wouldn't even be surprised if the political stances you're complaining about were paid for.

You are going to find my opinion is the majority of football fans who BUY tickets and watch on TV.

Do I actually have to point out to you how the NFL viewership ratings AND attendance went down the tubes with all this kneeling BS????

As the NFL gradually got away from their political BS, ratings (TV & Ticket sales) gained ground.

You do not kneel at the flag of our country for political purposes.

I'm not missing any point. You do not respect the American Flag if you kneel when the National Anthem is played.

There are many other avenues or platforms for Social Justice Warriors!

Missing the point? I'll tell you what you are missing right in front of your face: There will be no NFL if this disrespect of our flag continues and guess where that leaves you???

BORED ON SUNDAYS!

HERE WE GO AGAIN!

https://www.ncregister.com/blog/armstron...bRoCatwQAvD_BwE

10 Reasons Kneeling During the Anthem is a Bad Idea
I hope we can move past this to higher ground.
Patti Armstrong
Rosa Parks was a hero. On December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, Parks refused to give up her seat in the “colored section” to a white passenger. The resulting Montgomery bus boycott changed things and made this country a better place. That was a productive protest.

Last Sunday, a very different protest took place when more than 100 NFL players knelt during the singing of America's national anthem. I see nothing productive about it. It was 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick who started the trend last year to protest police brutality.



The Heart of the Protest

The kneeling turned into a much larger protest directed at President Trump who said at a political rally in Alabama: “Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now.' "

If I were president—don’t worry, I have too much laundry to find time to campaign—I would have acknowledged that racial harassment is never okay, but let’s unite against it instead of disrespecting our flag.

Some people and groups hold that there is widespread police violence in the U.S. against black and brown people. A study by Harvard African-American Professor Roland Fryer looked at four urban areas in the US, which resulted in what he called, “the surprise” of his career. Despite his expectations, Fryer found that American police officers showed no racial bias when it came to deadly force. However, he did find that police are more likely to be physically rough with black and brown Americans. So, there is a problem that should be addressed. Yet, instead of looking for solutions, protesting by disrespecting our country is foolish for a number of reasons.

You don’t get respect by showing disrespect.
Disrespecting our country inflames racial tensions rather than moving towards harmony.
Studies show there is racial stereotyping (even among minorities) beyond the criminal justice system. The protest does not address the real problem.
There is peer pressure being put on NFL players to take sides during an activity that should unite them and their fans.
Sports stars have a great life so why show contempt towards a country that makes it possible?
This protest actually separated like-minded people. That is a fail!

Not one single person, behavior or law is changed by football players refusing to stand for the anthem.
It corrupts the usually fun and patriotic atmosphere before a football game.
It’s a slap in the face to people who risked their lives for our country or lost loved ones doing so.
There is no measurable successful outcome.

On Sunday, my friend, Theresa Thomas shared her strong opinion about the protest on her Facebook page.


When Obama was president, I hated every second…. But that had nothing to do with my love for America and gratitude for living in this great nation. I stood and sang at every sports game I attended. Not for the then president but for MY COUNTRY.

They dishonor the real MEN who fought for our country and DIED so these boys could act like the babies they are.

…. I have listened to story after story of my late father-in-law, a WWII vet, talk about friends of his, only 19 or 20, who had hoped and dreams for families, careers, travel, love and life, who were shot down by Nazis, or otherwise killed in the line of duty so YOU AND I could enjoy the freedoms we do.”

I hope we can move past this to higher ground as in standing when our national anthem is played.

The next day for Monday night football, Dallas and Arizona stood during the anthem and locked arms to show unity. I loved that. They made a powerful message without disrespecting anyone.

This guy is liking his own posts.

I don't understand why so many think the power in the symbolism of our flag and national anthem to millions of veterans and the survivors of of our fallen veterans can be so easily ignored and devalued. And yet they place great value on other individuals' right to what is basically another symbolic gesture. If the first (flag, anthem) don't matter, then how does protesters' response to it? If they do matter - and they do to me - then how is it okay to disrespect those who made the supreme sacrifice just to make what is largely an empty gesture.

Kneeling accomplishes nothing. Its a pink or yellow ribbon - a Livestrong rubber band in the color of that months' featured disease. These athletes have the platform, the money, and the time to do some meaningful outreach to touch lives in the communities they play in, but with these divisive kneeling protests they are going for the low-hanging fruit instead of something that might actually help.

I'm not going to argue about it, this is how I feel. The rest of you feel how you feel, and that's fine. I'll still watch on Sunday, but after all these years and an increasingly cynical view of the NFL, a good deal of the joy will be gone.